This is really just a genius move on their part, it inflates their number of subs next year (when tons of big game MMOS are going to be out) you'll still be subscribed to wow and able to play it, always able to go back. And the draw of getting everyone that plays wow religiously a free copy of d3 to possibly spend money in the AH on is going to make them a lot of money. While all of this is indeed true, you can't knock them for giving out a game for free to their biggest fans, it's pretty cool indeed.
I don't understand why people think this is a bad thing. They're losing subscribers, so they start this promotion. What's wrong with that? That means more people get DIII, and more people get a chance to play it, and possibly make the community bigger. Of course any company at all would do something like this. There's nothing wrong with it. And what's wrong with them wanting more people to use the auction house? OF COURSE THEY ARE GOING TO PUSH IT. They will make more money! What's wrong with Blizzard making more money? It just gives them more money to spend on development of their games and paying their employees! I don't see what is so wrong about any of this.
What's wrong is their real motive is to increase WoW activity and subscriptions, not to promote Diablo 3. This promotion is definitely not intended for the active WoW subscribers already plugged into the system. The people who came up with this idea could not possibly care less about the current reliable revenue sources (aka humans paying monthly for WoW).
People are going to have a year's worth of WoW time, which will divide the community, not create a smooth transition from WoW to Diablo 3, which is how they are masquerading this move.
In reality, a transition from WoW to Diablo 3 is the exact opposite of what they want. They want potential Diablo 3 customers to subscribe to a year of WoW.
See it now?
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"Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions."
-Thomas Jefferson
Funny, people can read what I've posted here many times from the lips of the execs themselves - that D3 is just a loss leader, and losing wow subs to it is a business nightmare - and still deny it.
Funny, people can read what I've posted here many times from the lips of the execs themselves - that D3 is just a loss leader, and losing wow subs to it is a business nightmare - and still deny it.
Agree. How D3 is even getting made is actually shocking when you do a business impact analysis on it.
Blizzard has a weird dilemma on their hands: Their cash cow is killing their innovation engine and product life cycle.
The obvious fix is Titan. Too bad Blizzard takes so goddamn long to do anything, by the time it's ready, it'll be too late imo.
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"Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions."
-Thomas Jefferson
What's wrong is their real motive is to increase WoW activity and subscriptions, not to promote Diablo 3. This promotion is definitely not intended for the active WoW subscribers already plugged into the system. The people who came up with this idea could not possibly care less about the current reliable revenue sources (aka humans paying monthly for WoW).
People are going to have a year's worth of WoW time, which will divide the community, not create a smooth transition from WoW to Diablo 3, which is how they are masquerading this move.
In reality, a transition from WoW to Diablo 3 is the exact opposite of what they want. They want potential Diablo 3 customers to subscribe to a year of WoW.
See it now?
Everyone knows this. Your restating what everyone already is aware of, and no one cares but people like you, why care when it doesn't effect you at all is beyond me. Most people agree its a good business move, because it is. your complaining because....?
What's wrong is their real motive is to increase WoW activity and subscriptions, not to promote Diablo 3. This promotion is definitely not intended for the active WoW subscribers already plugged into the system. The people who came up with this idea could not possibly care less about the current reliable revenue sources (aka humans paying monthly for WoW).
People are going to have a year's worth of WoW time, which will divide the community, not create a smooth transition from WoW to Diablo 3, which is how they are masquerading this move.
In reality, a transition from WoW to Diablo 3 is the exact opposite of what they want. They want potential Diablo 3 customers to subscribe to a year of WoW.
See it now?
Why do you even care?
I don't get it. If people play Diablo 3 and it's good, they'll keep playing it. Who cares if they get it discounted through WoW or not?
Good lord man, you act like they are taking a shot at your manhood or something. It's a freaking video game. If it is fun, people will play it. The people doing this likely would have bought D3 and/or WoW anyways... now they just get both.
I don't get it. If people play Diablo 3 and it's good, they'll keep playing it. Who cares if they get it discounted through WoW or not?
Good lord man, you act like they are taking a shot at your manhood or something. It's a freaking video game. If it is fun, people will play it. The people doing this likely would have bought D3 and/or WoW anyways... now they just get both.
What's wrong is their real motive is to increase WoW activity and subscriptions, not to promote Diablo 3. This promotion is definitely not intended for the active WoW subscribers already plugged into the system. The people who came up with this idea could not possibly care less about the current reliable revenue sources (aka humans paying monthly for WoW).
People are going to have a year's worth of WoW time, which will divide the community, not create a smooth transition from WoW to Diablo 3, which is how they are masquerading this move.
In reality, a transition from WoW to Diablo 3 is the exact opposite of what they want. They want potential Diablo 3 customers to subscribe to a year of WoW.
See it now?
Why do you even care?
I don't get it. If people play Diablo 3 and it's good, they'll keep playing it. Who cares if they get it discounted through WoW or not?
Good lord man, you act like they are taking a shot at your manhood or something. It's a freaking video game. If it is fun, people will play it. The people doing this likely would have bought D3 and/or WoW anyways... now they just get both.
So really, who cares? It's totally irrelevant.
My contention is that it's NOT totally irrelevant. My objection comes down to this: I want Blizzard to let WoW die, because
1. It will strengthen in numbers and longevity the Diablo 3 player base
2. In the long run they will be able to focus more resources on their future releases, and not an IP which is dead to me and a growing number of gamers.
So yeah, PLEASE EXCUSE ME for objecting to something on principle. My opinion doesn't match yours, but why are you so offended by that? Blizzard's not gonna change their policy, but I'm practicing my right to free speech.
Read the following carefully: I am not trying to change your mind. I am expressing my opinion. If you want to try and change my opinion, give me sound logical arguments or rebuttals of my premises, without the personal attacks. Your lack of meaningful rebuttal lead you to the tired ad-hominem implication that I'm having some kind of e-peen problem, when actually it's you who seem to have a butt full of hurting.
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"Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions."
-Thomas Jefferson
WoW dying would seriously hurt Blizzard. It is by far and away their largest source of income right now. I can't see Diablo 3 bringing in over $1.5 billion a year.
Good lord man, you act like they are taking a shot at your manhood or something. It's a freaking video game.
I think some people really, really enjoyed the bliz glory years where they created franchises like D, SC, War, and the original release of WoW.
Seeing the company since then, and their change of their values is a really heartbreaking, personal thing when those games were like the tv/movie/sports for your entire teenage years. Is that a little sick, and immature? Sure. But it is what it is, and is a powerful testimony to how great those games were.
Inevitably, anyone who has worked in the real world knows that big money ruins everything. But that doesn't make it less sad.
What's wrong is their real motive is to increase WoW activity and subscriptions, not to promote Diablo 3. This promotion is definitely not intended for the active WoW subscribers already plugged into the system. The people who came up with this idea could not possibly care less about the current reliable revenue sources (aka humans paying monthly for WoW).
People are going to have a year's worth of WoW time, which will divide the community, not create a smooth transition from WoW to Diablo 3, which is how they are masquerading this move.
In reality, a transition from WoW to Diablo 3 is the exact opposite of what they want. They want potential Diablo 3 customers to subscribe to a year of WoW.
See it now?
Why do you even care?
I don't get it. If people play Diablo 3 and it's good, they'll keep playing it. Who cares if they get it discounted through WoW or not?
Good lord man, you act like they are taking a shot at your manhood or something. It's a freaking video game. If it is fun, people will play it. The people doing this likely would have bought D3 and/or WoW anyways... now they just get both.
So really, who cares? It's totally irrelevant.
My contention is that it's NOT totally irrelevant. My objection comes down to this: I want Blizzard to let WoW die, because
1. It will strengthen in numbers and longevity the Diablo 3 player base
2. In the long run they will be able to focus more resources on their future releases, and not an IP which is dead to me and a growing number of gamers.
So yeah, PLEASE EXCUSE ME for objecting to something on principle. My opinion doesn't match yours, but why are you so offended by that? Blizzard's not gonna change their policy, but I'm practicing my right to free speech.
Read the following carefully: I am not trying to change your mind. I am expressing my opinion. If you want to try and change my opinion, give me sound logical arguments or rebuttals of my premises, without the personal attacks. Your lack of meaningful rebuttal lead you to the tired ad-hominem implication that I'm having some kind of e-peen problem, when actually it's you who seem to have a butt full of hurting.
tell the 9 million+ people still subscribing it is dead! the numbers dont lie and your opinion does not matter to blizzard to be honest. They HAVE to have money and if WoW fails, so be it...but I assure you that ALL Blizzard games have the potential to be the cash cow they need it to be if the issue arises. They take their time cause they can and it creates better games. Think back to other hurried failed attempts to steal Blizz thunder. Age of Conan, Hellgate London, Aion.....SWTOR??? we shall see on that one. There will be plenty playing D3 and if will get the support it needs, they just need to make sure that their products are designed, supported and prepared for longevity as all their titles have that allure about them. To me, non-issue...lets move on as this is the ONLY move they could have done to protect themselves from themselves.
My contention is that it's NOT totally irrelevant. My objection comes down to this: I want Blizzard to let WoW die, because
1. It will strengthen in numbers and longevity the Diablo 3 player base
2. In the long run they will be able to focus more resources on their future releases, and not an IP which is dead to me and a growing number of gamers.
So yeah, PLEASE EXCUSE ME for objecting to something on principle. My opinion doesn't match yours, but why are you so offended by that? Blizzard's not gonna change their policy, but I'm practicing my right to free speech.
Read the following carefully: I am not trying to change your mind. I am expressing my opinion. If you want to try and change my opinion, give me sound logical arguments or rebuttals of my premises, without the personal attacks. Your lack of meaningful rebuttal lead you to the tired ad-hominem implication that I'm having some kind of e-peen problem, when actually it's you who seem to have a butt full of hurting.
It is YOUR PERSONAL opinion that its dead to you and it should die. there is no moral high ground or value's in there, just just your personal opinion. 10+m people don't feel that way. and who knows the numbers may rise with MOS or fall, one thing is for sure it won't drop below 9m. 9m people makes it STILL the most played game on the planet earth. so thinking its going to EVER "die" is hilarious. games that were shitty 10 years ago still have people playing it today. wow will live forever. or at least the next 30+ years. especially if they keep making more expansions and dare i say it... "wow 2". the very first everquest still has a ton of people playing it. nothing compared to the numbers of wow but my point is its never going to die and blizzard would never let the WORLDS most profitable game die, ever. thinking anything else makes you a complete fool, sorry for the "personal attack" but honestly with the numbers of people playing it all over the world, your kidding yourself.
Good lord man, you act like they are taking a shot at your manhood or something. It's a freaking video game.
I think some people really, really enjoyed the bliz glory years where they created franchises like D, SC, War, and the original release of WoW.
Seeing the company since then, and their change of their values is a really heartbreaking, personal thing when those games were like the tv/movie/sports for your entire teenage years. Is that a little sick, and immature? Sure. But it is what it is, and is a powerful testimony to how great those games were.
Inevitably, anyone who has worked in the real world knows that big money ruins everything. But that doesn't make it less sad.
well said.
i am moved by the art and creative energy put into games by truly brilliant engineers and artists. what i see is the art being sacrificed by immutable, cynical business interests. if that doesn't bother you, that's alright, you are a in a growing majority. but it bothers me by damn far, and i don't take bother sitting down.
if my passion bothers anyone here, that's too damn bad.
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"Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions."
-Thomas Jefferson
My contention is that it's NOT totally irrelevant. My objection comes down to this: I want Blizzard to let WoW die, because
1. It will strengthen in numbers and longevity the Diablo 3 player base
2. In the long run they will be able to focus more resources on their future releases, and not an IP which is dead to me and a growing number of gamers.
So yeah, PLEASE EXCUSE ME for objecting to something on principle. My opinion doesn't match yours, but why are you so offended by that? Blizzard's not gonna change their policy, but I'm practicing my right to free speech.
Read the following carefully: I am not trying to change your mind. I am expressing my opinion. If you want to try and change my opinion, give me sound logical arguments or rebuttals of my premises, without the personal attacks. Your lack of meaningful rebuttal lead you to the tired ad-hominem implication that I'm having some kind of e-peen problem, when actually it's you who seem to have a butt full of hurting.
It is YOUR PERSONAL opinion that its dead to you and it should die. there is no moral high ground or value's in there, just just your personal opinion.
Jesus fucking christ, kid. You didn't read the "Read the following carefully:" did you? That part where I said it's my opinion?
And consider for a second, that your rebuttal is YOUR opinion, and as such, gives you absolutely no moral advantage.
Anyway, I'm done bouncing ideas off your thick skull, you're just not gonna get it.
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"Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions."
-Thomas Jefferson
You are speaking based off of passion. It is creating an illogical response. Everyone else is using common sense. The people using common sense find it difficult to understand you, period.
It's not a personal attack so much as just telling you (and other people who complain about this) that they just come off as whiners for no reason what so ever.
"OH GOD! YOU CAN BUY A SUBSCRIPTION TO WOW AND AT THE SAME TIME GET DIABLO 3! WHAT A SLAP IN THE FACE BY BLIZZARD! JUST LET IT DIE!!!"
What? Why do you care? Just buy Diablo 3 and don't get the subscription.
Let one of the most (if not the most) popular games in history just die? Don't give discounts for their players who want to play both WoW and Diablo 3?
So Blizzard should:
1. Just abandon their cash cow that has brought them billions of dollars.
2. They should be less friendly to the Diablo and WoW player fanbases?
Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? No one would call you out on it, but those statements are just ridiculous. It bothers me that you do not realize this when it is just blatantly obvious.
In addition, it is YOU who is slapping Diablo 3 in the face. It is you who are questioning it, not Blizzard. If the game is good enough, people will play. If it is more entertaining/addictive than WoW, people will play it over WoW. You seem to have this opinion that they are giving away Diablo 3 so that people can play it for two weeks, beat a couple of difficulties and then go back to a game that YOU YOURSELF believe to be inferior.
I guess it just comes down to this. I shouldn't have typed it all... because in the end one thing describes what you are saying:
If you don't play WoW, and you're analyzing the reasons behind Blizzard's strategy, maybe you have a little too much time to waste.
I'm in a week-long Python training course, and I know this stuff already. Did it to get outta the cubicle for a spell. Soooooooo, Ima keep sitting here shooting diamonds of truth and knowledge at all those sorry suckers who would deny my testicular fortitude.
BAM.
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"Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions."
-Thomas Jefferson
You are speaking based off of passion. It is creating an illogical response. Everyone else is using common sense. The people using common sense find it difficult to understand you, period.
It's not a personal attack so much as just telling you (and other people who complain about this) that they just come off as whiners for no reason what so ever.
"OH GOD! YOU CAN BUY A SUBSCRIPTION TO WOW AND AT THE SAME TIME GET DIABLO 3! WHAT A SLAP IN THE FACE BY BLIZZARD! JUST LET IT DIE!!!"
What? Why do you care? Just buy Diablo 3 and don't get the subscription.
Let one of the most (if not the most) popular games in history just die? Don't give discounts for their players who want to play both WoW and Diablo 3?
So Blizzard should:
1. Just abandon their cash cow that has brought them billions of dollars.
2. They should be less friendly to the Diablo and WoW player fanbases?
Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? No one would call you out on it, but those statements are just ridiculous. It bothers me that you do not realize this when it is just blatantly obvious.
In addition, it is YOU who is slapping Diablo 3 in the face. It is you who are questioning it, not Blizzard. If the game is good enough, people will play. If it is more entertaining/addictive than WoW, people will play it over WoW. You seem to have this opinion that they are giving away Diablo 3 so that people can play it for two weeks, beat a couple of difficulties and then go back to a game that YOU YOURSELF believe to be inferior.
I guess it just comes down to this. I shouldn't have typed it all... because in the end one thing describes what you are saying:
"What you are saying makes no sense."
THAT, sir, is an exceptional rebuttal. I cannot disagree with any of your points, and there are no fallacies that I can see.
I have officially changed my mind.
Edit: for the record, i still believe that Blizzard needs move beyond WoW in order to truly innovate the gaming world, but that is a separate argument.
oh, and for the record, there's a bit of "appeal to popularity" and "appeal to sanity" but since you don't base your argument on them, i'll allow it.
AND as a 1-time special offer, I will reveal the primary fallacy of MY argument: The Relativist Fallacy
The Relativist Fallacy is committed when a person rejects a claim by asserting that the claim might be true for others but is not for him/her. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form:
Claim X is presented.
Person A asserts that X may be true for others but is not true for him/her.
Therefore A is justified in rejecting X.
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"Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions."
-Thomas Jefferson
Good lord man, you act like they are taking a shot at your manhood or something. It's a freaking video game.
I think some people really, really enjoyed the bliz glory years where they created franchises like D, SC, War, and the original release of WoW.
Seeing the company since then, and their change of their values is a really heartbreaking, personal thing when those games were like the tv/movie/sports for your entire teenage years. Is that a little sick, and immature? Sure. But it is what it is, and is a powerful testimony to how great those games were.
Inevitably, anyone who has worked in the real world knows that big money ruins everything. But that doesn't make it less sad.
What has big money ruined at Blizzard though?
World of Warcraft is one of the most popular games ever. Sure, it is starting to get worse (in my opinion) as the years go on. But when it was first released it was incredible and it still remains the most popular MMO in the world. For all of its flaws (I haven't played it in like three years, but I hear it is getting continuously worse) it was a good game. It's hard to keep up that excellence in one title when you have to constantly add content for a long period of time.
Yes, they are beating a dead horse with WoW... but it is just because it generates so much more money. They'd do it with Diablo/SC too if they could, just like anyone in their right mind would.
From everything I heard, StarCraft 2 (a game I have never played) was an excellent game. Some people have told me they like it more than the original, others say that it was pretty good and some thing it was right about on par with the first game. Making a sequel that can even stand up to the legendary game that StarCraft was is an accomplishment within itself.
Diablo 3 I cannot judge until I've played it. It looks great, I think they've had a lot of great ideas. I haven't seen any change in how they produce a game, what they go through, etc. It still takes them a lot of time and they are obsessed with quality. They are trying to stay true to the original title while putting a new spin on it, just like they did with Diablo 2 vs. Diablo.
I don't know, I don't see the big issue with it. People just have a grudge against WoW because it's WoW. It's cool to hate on it... and I get it, I hate on it from time to time too. It's always pretty amusing. I just have a feeling that if they said "Buy Diablo 3 and get a 50% digital discount on StarCraft2!" then people wouldn't be nearly as upset.
Basically, I'll believe Blizzard is 'out of their glory days' or that 'money has made the company worse' when the quality of their games start to show it. All of their games are incredibly popular, they get great reviews and have a crap ton of people playing them. I don't see that changing for quite some time, especially while they have WoW money coming in.
I could see it happening if Titan is a flop and doesn't pick up some subscribers when WoW starts to lose more players.
Jesus fucking christ, kid. You didn't read the "Read the following carefully:" did you? That part where I said it's my opinion?
And consider for a second, that your rebuttal is YOUR opinion, and as such, gives you absolutely no moral advantage.
Anyway, I'm done bouncing ideas off your thick skull, you're just not gonna get it.
there is no moral to any of this. so why you keep making it sound like it doesn't make any sense. your opinion is 1 in 10 million, and your wanting something thats never going to happen. thats like posting about wanting america to suddenly turn into communism. NOTHING points to it EVER happening anytime in the next 50 years yet you keep trolling on like its going to make a difference. your clearly never going to get anything with where you stand is my point. everyone is entitled to their own opinion, yours is just one of the many bogus ones. lol
your clearly one of those bloggers who likes to make themselves sound really intelligent while they sling complete and utter BS over forums disagreeing with all logic and common sense, arguing with everyone and not making any sense. and then suddenly changing your mind when someone tells you the same exact thing everyone else was telling you, but its OK cuz it said it in a long drawn out no-way-you-can-possibly-disagree way? really? its very apparent that YOUR the one with the titanium cranium sir if it took that much. rofl
there is no moral to any of this. so why you keep making it sound like it doesn't make any sense. your opinion is 1 in 10 million, and your wanting something thats never going to happen. thats like posting about wanting america to suddenly turn into communism. NOTHING points to it EVER happening anytime in the next 50 years yet you keep trolling on like its going to make a difference. your clearly never going to get anything with where you stand is my point. everyone is entitled to their own opinion, yours is just one of the many bogus ones. lol
Alright, fine, I'll admit it. I was arguing just to argue. But check out Phrayed's response on the bottom of page 2.. THAT is how you change someone's mind.
But I'll say it again, even though it's a related but different argument: Blizzard needs to kick WoW if they want to innovate.
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What's wrong is their real motive is to increase WoW activity and subscriptions, not to promote Diablo 3. This promotion is definitely not intended for the active WoW subscribers already plugged into the system. The people who came up with this idea could not possibly care less about the current reliable revenue sources (aka humans paying monthly for WoW).
People are going to have a year's worth of WoW time, which will divide the community, not create a smooth transition from WoW to Diablo 3, which is how they are masquerading this move.
In reality, a transition from WoW to Diablo 3 is the exact opposite of what they want. They want potential Diablo 3 customers to subscribe to a year of WoW.
See it now?
-Thomas Jefferson
Agree. How D3 is even getting made is actually shocking when you do a business impact analysis on it.
Blizzard has a weird dilemma on their hands: Their cash cow is killing their innovation engine and product life cycle.
The obvious fix is Titan. Too bad Blizzard takes so goddamn long to do anything, by the time it's ready, it'll be too late imo.
-Thomas Jefferson
Everyone knows this. Your restating what everyone already is aware of, and no one cares but people like you, why care when it doesn't effect you at all is beyond me. Most people agree its a good business move, because it is. your complaining because....?
Why do you even care?
I don't get it. If people play Diablo 3 and it's good, they'll keep playing it. Who cares if they get it discounted through WoW or not?
Good lord man, you act like they are taking a shot at your manhood or something. It's a freaking video game. If it is fun, people will play it. The people doing this likely would have bought D3 and/or WoW anyways... now they just get both.
So really, who cares? It's totally irrelevant.
+100000000
My contention is that it's NOT totally irrelevant. My objection comes down to this: I want Blizzard to let WoW die, because
1. It will strengthen in numbers and longevity the Diablo 3 player base
2. In the long run they will be able to focus more resources on their future releases, and not an IP which is dead to me and a growing number of gamers.
So yeah, PLEASE EXCUSE ME for objecting to something on principle. My opinion doesn't match yours, but why are you so offended by that? Blizzard's not gonna change their policy, but I'm practicing my right to free speech.
Read the following carefully: I am not trying to change your mind. I am expressing my opinion. If you want to try and change my opinion, give me sound logical arguments or rebuttals of my premises, without the personal attacks. Your lack of meaningful rebuttal lead you to the tired ad-hominem implication that I'm having some kind of e-peen problem, when actually it's you who seem to have a butt full of hurting.
-Thomas Jefferson
I think some people really, really enjoyed the bliz glory years where they created franchises like D, SC, War, and the original release of WoW.
Seeing the company since then, and their change of their values is a really heartbreaking, personal thing when those games were like the tv/movie/sports for your entire teenage years. Is that a little sick, and immature? Sure. But it is what it is, and is a powerful testimony to how great those games were.
Inevitably, anyone who has worked in the real world knows that big money ruins everything. But that doesn't make it less sad.
tell the 9 million+ people still subscribing it is dead! the numbers dont lie and your opinion does not matter to blizzard to be honest. They HAVE to have money and if WoW fails, so be it...but I assure you that ALL Blizzard games have the potential to be the cash cow they need it to be if the issue arises. They take their time cause they can and it creates better games. Think back to other hurried failed attempts to steal Blizz thunder. Age of Conan, Hellgate London, Aion.....SWTOR??? we shall see on that one. There will be plenty playing D3 and if will get the support it needs, they just need to make sure that their products are designed, supported and prepared for longevity as all their titles have that allure about them. To me, non-issue...lets move on as this is the ONLY move they could have done to protect themselves from themselves.
It is YOUR PERSONAL opinion that its dead to you and it should die. there is no moral high ground or value's in there, just just your personal opinion. 10+m people don't feel that way. and who knows the numbers may rise with MOS or fall, one thing is for sure it won't drop below 9m. 9m people makes it STILL the most played game on the planet earth. so thinking its going to EVER "die" is hilarious. games that were shitty 10 years ago still have people playing it today. wow will live forever. or at least the next 30+ years. especially if they keep making more expansions and dare i say it... "wow 2". the very first everquest still has a ton of people playing it. nothing compared to the numbers of wow but my point is its never going to die and blizzard would never let the WORLDS most profitable game die, ever. thinking anything else makes you a complete fool, sorry for the "personal attack" but honestly with the numbers of people playing it all over the world, your kidding yourself.
well said.
i am moved by the art and creative energy put into games by truly brilliant engineers and artists. what i see is the art being sacrificed by immutable, cynical business interests. if that doesn't bother you, that's alright, you are a in a growing majority. but it bothers me by damn far, and i don't take bother sitting down.
if my passion bothers anyone here, that's too damn bad.
-Thomas Jefferson
Jesus fucking christ, kid. You didn't read the "Read the following carefully:" did you? That part where I said it's my opinion?
And consider for a second, that your rebuttal is YOUR opinion, and as such, gives you absolutely no moral advantage.
Anyway, I'm done bouncing ideas off your thick skull, you're just not gonna get it.
-Thomas Jefferson
It's not a personal attack so much as just telling you (and other people who complain about this) that they just come off as whiners for no reason what so ever.
"OH GOD! YOU CAN BUY A SUBSCRIPTION TO WOW AND AT THE SAME TIME GET DIABLO 3! WHAT A SLAP IN THE FACE BY BLIZZARD! JUST LET IT DIE!!!"
What? Why do you care? Just buy Diablo 3 and don't get the subscription.
Let one of the most (if not the most) popular games in history just die? Don't give discounts for their players who want to play both WoW and Diablo 3?
So Blizzard should:
1. Just abandon their cash cow that has brought them billions of dollars.
2. They should be less friendly to the Diablo and WoW player fanbases?
Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? No one would call you out on it, but those statements are just ridiculous. It bothers me that you do not realize this when it is just blatantly obvious.
In addition, it is YOU who is slapping Diablo 3 in the face. It is you who are questioning it, not Blizzard. If the game is good enough, people will play. If it is more entertaining/addictive than WoW, people will play it over WoW. You seem to have this opinion that they are giving away Diablo 3 so that people can play it for two weeks, beat a couple of difficulties and then go back to a game that YOU YOURSELF believe to be inferior.
I guess it just comes down to this. I shouldn't have typed it all... because in the end one thing describes what you are saying:
"What you are saying makes no sense."
I'm in a week-long Python training course, and I know this stuff already. Did it to get outta the cubicle for a spell. Soooooooo, Ima keep sitting here shooting diamonds of truth and knowledge at all those sorry suckers who would deny my testicular fortitude.
BAM.
-Thomas Jefferson
THAT, sir, is an exceptional rebuttal. I cannot disagree with any of your points, and there are no fallacies that I can see.
I have officially changed my mind.
Edit: for the record, i still believe that Blizzard needs move beyond WoW in order to truly innovate the gaming world, but that is a separate argument.
oh, and for the record, there's a bit of "appeal to popularity" and "appeal to sanity" but since you don't base your argument on them, i'll allow it.
AND as a 1-time special offer, I will reveal the primary fallacy of MY argument: The Relativist Fallacy
The Relativist Fallacy is committed when a person rejects a claim by asserting that the claim might be true for others but is not for him/her. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form:
Claim X is presented.
Person A asserts that X may be true for others but is not true for him/her.
Therefore A is justified in rejecting X.
-Thomas Jefferson
What has big money ruined at Blizzard though?
World of Warcraft is one of the most popular games ever. Sure, it is starting to get worse (in my opinion) as the years go on. But when it was first released it was incredible and it still remains the most popular MMO in the world. For all of its flaws (I haven't played it in like three years, but I hear it is getting continuously worse) it was a good game. It's hard to keep up that excellence in one title when you have to constantly add content for a long period of time.
Yes, they are beating a dead horse with WoW... but it is just because it generates so much more money. They'd do it with Diablo/SC too if they could, just like anyone in their right mind would.
From everything I heard, StarCraft 2 (a game I have never played) was an excellent game. Some people have told me they like it more than the original, others say that it was pretty good and some thing it was right about on par with the first game. Making a sequel that can even stand up to the legendary game that StarCraft was is an accomplishment within itself.
Diablo 3 I cannot judge until I've played it. It looks great, I think they've had a lot of great ideas. I haven't seen any change in how they produce a game, what they go through, etc. It still takes them a lot of time and they are obsessed with quality. They are trying to stay true to the original title while putting a new spin on it, just like they did with Diablo 2 vs. Diablo.
I don't know, I don't see the big issue with it. People just have a grudge against WoW because it's WoW. It's cool to hate on it... and I get it, I hate on it from time to time too. It's always pretty amusing. I just have a feeling that if they said "Buy Diablo 3 and get a 50% digital discount on StarCraft2!" then people wouldn't be nearly as upset.
Basically, I'll believe Blizzard is 'out of their glory days' or that 'money has made the company worse' when the quality of their games start to show it. All of their games are incredibly popular, they get great reviews and have a crap ton of people playing them. I don't see that changing for quite some time, especially while they have WoW money coming in.
I could see it happening if Titan is a flop and doesn't pick up some subscribers when WoW starts to lose more players.
there is no moral to any of this. so why you keep making it sound like it doesn't make any sense. your opinion is 1 in 10 million, and your wanting something thats never going to happen. thats like posting about wanting america to suddenly turn into communism. NOTHING points to it EVER happening anytime in the next 50 years yet you keep trolling on like its going to make a difference. your clearly never going to get anything with where you stand is my point. everyone is entitled to their own opinion, yours is just one of the many bogus ones. lol
your clearly one of those bloggers who likes to make themselves sound really intelligent while they sling complete and utter BS over forums disagreeing with all logic and common sense, arguing with everyone and not making any sense. and then suddenly changing your mind when someone tells you the same exact thing everyone else was telling you, but its OK cuz it said it in a long drawn out no-way-you-can-possibly-disagree way? really? its very apparent that YOUR the one with the titanium cranium sir if it took that much. rofl
Alright, fine, I'll admit it. I was arguing just to argue. But check out Phrayed's response on the bottom of page 2.. THAT is how you change someone's mind.
But I'll say it again, even though it's a related but different argument: Blizzard needs to kick WoW if they want to innovate.
-Thomas Jefferson