I was giving it a second thought, would there actually be organized chinese farming since they are legalizing GOLD/DOLLAR trade.. I don't think so, there is no incentives for chinese farmers to go into a sweatshop and farm a certain item anymore, because they can do it by themselves, they don't need a company to sell it for them anymore. They can do all of it themselves...
And since the asians won't be organized anymore, there won't be a massive overflow of items, asians will go onto making shoes, or doing other profitable things. Maybe playing the game themselves trying to sell the items, but since the farming isn't organized it will decrease i believe instead of increasing. The role that the company had of feeding the farmers or paying them low wages is gone because the farmers can now pay themselves, thus they are not organized..
You can compare this to illegal drugs, they were once banned by the govt and there was gangs to control different areas and stuff, paying people to chop little shit for them. But if they legalize the drug there will no longer be a need for gangs...
I think you guys all missed this important point, maybe solo farming will increase, but it won't be nearly as effective as organized farmhouses flooding the economy.
I was giving it a second thought, would there actually be organized chinese farming since they are legalizing GOLD/DOLLAR trade.. I don't think so, there is no incentives for chinese farmers to go into a sweatshop and farm a certain item anymore, because they can do it by themselves, they don't need a company to sell it for them anymore. They can do all of it themselves...
This is taking for granted the various pleasures of life a citizen of China may not have. For example, a computer, electricity, an internet connection, and a valid license of Diablo III.
I was giving it a second thought, would there actually be organized chinese farming since they are legalizing GOLD/DOLLAR trade.. I don't think so, there is no incentives for chinese farmers to go into a sweatshop and farm a certain item anymore, because they can do it by themselves, they don't need a company to sell it for them anymore. They can do all of it themselves...
This is taking for granted the various pleasures of life a citizen of China may not have. For example, a computer, electricity, an internet connection, and a valid license of Diablo III.
So what are you suggesting a farmhouse existing with computers for the to play diablo3 and farm monitoring what they make and taking a cut??
I was giving it a second thought, would there actually be organized chinese farming since they are legalizing GOLD/DOLLAR trade.. I don't think so, there is no incentives for chinese farmers to go into a sweatshop and farm a certain item anymore, because they can do it by themselves, they don't need a company to sell it for them anymore. They can do all of it themselves...
This is taking for granted the various pleasures of life a citizen of China may not have. For example, a computer, electricity, an internet connection, and a valid license of Diablo III.
So what are you suggesting a farmhouse existing with computers for the to play diablo3 and farm monitoring what they make and taking a cut??
Blizzard should just pay the chinese govt couple of billion to make it against the law to have a diablo3/wow sweatshop... keep it to nike/reebok
While there will be some impact like you suggest, alot of these "workers" can't afford their own computer + internet connection, that's why they go to an "office" to "work" for whatever company. There was nothing else stopping them from farming on their home computers and delivering gold electronically to X company after all. So we'll still see alot of organized companies just to maintain the computer setups.
While there will be some impact like you suggest, alot of these "workers" can't afford their own computer + internet connection, that's why they go to an "office" to "work" for whatever company. There was nothing else stopping them from farming on their home computers and delivering gold electronically to X company after all. So we'll still see alot of organized companies just to maintain the computer setups.
why would they deliver $$ to X company, when they can deliver it to their bank account. Personally I am still very interested to see how this will pan out, I doubt those 3rd party farmhouse companies will be able to make as much money as they used to, it will be more inefficient I think then before, maybe even inefficient enough to start making shoes instead.
I was giving it a second thought, would there actually be organized chinese farming since they are legalizing GOLD/DOLLAR trade.. I don't think so, there is no incentives for chinese farmers to go into a sweatshop and farm a certain item anymore, because they can do it by themselves, they don't need a company to sell it for them anymore. They can do all of it themselves...
This is taking for granted the various pleasures of life a citizen of China may not have. For example, a computer, electricity, an internet connection, and a valid license of Diablo III.
So what are you suggesting a farmhouse existing with computers for the to play diablo3 and farm monitoring what they make and taking a cut??
This is how it works, yes. There is a physical building with computers in it, all with Diablo III installed and Battle.net accounts for each copy of the game. Someone owns all this property and hires workers to come in and grind/farm loot a certain number of hours a day. The owner may personally manage the loot obtained or have a whole other department to do so. A gold farmer is literally the standard american office job. Only they play games instead of working with microsoft office. And they have horrible working conditions and hours.
Why is it this way? Well, for an analogous example, I could say what's stopping you from going out into the oil industry and simply doing it all yourself instead of working through a company? For one, you probably don't own an oil rig.
Not organized? No incentive? You're being laughably naive.
These are professionals. There are people who do this for a living. The people who do the actual farming are irrelevant. It's not gamers, it's just people who work under ungodly conditions for a pathetic salary. That's just the way it goes. If you want to find out why this happens, study economics and study the case of China or other similar countries. There are massive amounts of people, they'll always find workers for this. You think the workers will just type in their bank accounts and cash in the money for themselves? I can't actually take that idea seriously.
If anything, this industry will increase greatly. They now have an official, safe platform to do a now legal activity.
Honestly Im still beside myself as to how the farmers can stay in business at all, because personally I have never even once considered going to spend real money on a couple of pixels in the videogame that I play to relax and have fun playing, when I could just get myself by playing the game instead. Sounds like the ultimate laziness, too lazy to have fun, gotta buy my items instead. I hope that there will be enough people interested in trading the items they found themselves for other items people found (or gold ) to keep the economy in check. The more people who spend real money the worse the game will become, because it will inflate the value of gold and raise prices on the gold AH
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Honestly Im still beside myself as to how the farmers can stay in business at all, because personally I have never even once considered going to spend real money on a couple of pixels in the videogame that I play to relax and have fun playing, when I could just get myself by playing the game instead. Sounds like the ultimate laziness, too lazy to have fun, gotta buy my items instead. I hope that there will be enough people interested in trading the items they found themselves for other items people found (or gold ) to keep the economy in check. The more people who spend real money the worse the game will become, because it will inflate the value of gold and raise prices on the gold AH
The amount of people that buy in game items and gold nowdays are insanely huge. Every game on the internet is infected with third party sites selling a amount of gold that would take you 100 hours of play for 2,99 bucks.
Tons of itens, a lot of them repeated, every item being sold by 50 cents due to that, farmers profitting 10 dollars a month.
Yeah, I think the system will work pretty well. I mean, for the players it might not, since everyone will have top-tier stuff if/when that happens, but the way the system is designed is to make sure the more people are "making money" out of it, the less money each of them are making.
I don't see people paying 50 dollars for a Legendary Axe when there's so many people playing the game and enjoying it, and posting that Axe in the Real Money Auction House - it will probably sell for a much more reasonable price, like 5 or 10 dollars.
I was scared of the RMAH at first, but after reading the article on the main page, I think it might actually work - and if anyone can make it work, it's definitely Blizzard.
(that doesn't mean I'm not sceptical regarding bots or that I like the new "have access to all skills at full power at every time and swap them without penalties every encounter/30 seconds)
The Chinese farmers will now have to compete with everyone else on Bnet selling items, there will be a point were the companies can't go any lower, but the masses of individual people on Bnet still can, and will probably be more willing then a company.
And even if they match the prices, there is no guarantee that the item bought are from chinese farmers. Masses of people that play Diablo 3 will be selling items as well.
There is no way to stop China Farmers from entering the US or any other market. Its happening in real life too if you haven't notice. China is the biggest exporter in the world. We just gotta accept the facts. They will be the driving force that will make our items cheaper for us in reality and now Diaaabllooo 3.
I was giving it a second thought, would there actually be organized chinese farming since they are legalizing GOLD/DOLLAR trade.. I don't think so, there is no incentives for chinese farmers to go into a sweatshop and farm a certain item anymore, because they can do it by themselves, they don't need a company to sell it for them anymore. They can do all of it themselves...
This is taking for granted the various pleasures of life a citizen of China may not have. For example, a computer, electricity, an internet connection, and a valid license of Diablo III.
So what are you suggesting a farmhouse existing with computers for the to play diablo3 and farm monitoring what they make and taking a cut??
This is how it works, yes. There is a physical building with computers in it, all with Diablo III installed and Battle.net accounts for each copy of the game. Someone owns all this property and hires workers to come in and grind/farm loot a certain number of hours a day. The owner may personally manage the loot obtained or have a whole other department to do so. A gold farmer is literally the standard american office job. Only they play games instead of working with microsoft office. And they have horrible working conditions and hours.
Why is it this way? Well, for an analogous example, I could say what's stopping you from going out into the oil industry and simply doing it all yourself instead of working through a company? For one, you probably don't own an oil rig.
You know what this is the best example iv seen gg no one can do it better this him... winner
The Chinese farmers will now have to compete with everyone else on Bnet selling items, there will be a point were the companies can't go any lower, but the masses of individual people on Bnet still can, and will probably be more willing then a company.
And even if they match the prices, there is no guarantee that the item bought are from chinese farmers. Masses of people that play Diablo 3 will be selling items as well.
This is the reason why I can see Chinese farmers not even touching Diablo 3. I don't know why they would bother to be honest, there are plenty of other games where they completely control the market. There is going to be to much competition in Diablo 3 to make it viable for them.
The Chinese farmers will now have to compete with everyone else on Bnet selling items, there will be a point were the companies can't go any lower, but the masses of individual people on Bnet still can, and will probably be more willing then a company.
And even if they match the prices, there is no guarantee that the item bought are from chinese farmers. Masses of people that play Diablo 3 will be selling items as well.
This is the reason why I can see Chinese farmers not even touching Diablo 3. I don't know why they would bother to be honest, there are plenty of other games where they completely control the market. There is going to be to much competition in Diablo 3 to make it viable for them.
It was be easier for them to control the market. They wouldn't have to sell their junk from a third party site. Too much competition? Do you know how big the population of China is? RMAH will bring them more clients than they can ever imagine. There is no way we can out farm items more than these people who play 20 hours a day. This is their life, and we can bet our arses they will be in the market for Diablo 3.
What if blizzard was to check your ip as you enter the realm, kind of like TV channel streaming websites, you know when you try to watch a US network online from Canada it won't let you. Same idea but for diablo, can't enter USeast/USwest unless you have a provider from that continent.
I know you could argue proxies but comeon, those are laggy as fuck and proxying USeast from like china is gonna be laggggy as fuckkk
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And since the asians won't be organized anymore, there won't be a massive overflow of items, asians will go onto making shoes, or doing other profitable things. Maybe playing the game themselves trying to sell the items, but since the farming isn't organized it will decrease i believe instead of increasing. The role that the company had of feeding the farmers or paying them low wages is gone because the farmers can now pay themselves, thus they are not organized..
You can compare this to illegal drugs, they were once banned by the govt and there was gangs to control different areas and stuff, paying people to chop little shit for them. But if they legalize the drug there will no longer be a need for gangs...
I think you guys all missed this important point, maybe solo farming will increase, but it won't be nearly as effective as organized farmhouses flooding the economy.
This is taking for granted the various pleasures of life a citizen of China may not have. For example, a computer, electricity, an internet connection, and a valid license of Diablo III.
So what are you suggesting a farmhouse existing with computers for the to play diablo3 and farm monitoring what they make and taking a cut??
Blizzard should just pay the chinese govt couple of billion to make it against the law to have a diablo3/wow sweatshop... keep it to nike/reebok
why would they deliver $$ to X company, when they can deliver it to their bank account. Personally I am still very interested to see how this will pan out, I doubt those 3rd party farmhouse companies will be able to make as much money as they used to, it will be more inefficient I think then before, maybe even inefficient enough to start making shoes instead.
This is how it works, yes. There is a physical building with computers in it, all with Diablo III installed and Battle.net accounts for each copy of the game. Someone owns all this property and hires workers to come in and grind/farm loot a certain number of hours a day. The owner may personally manage the loot obtained or have a whole other department to do so. A gold farmer is literally the standard american office job. Only they play games instead of working with microsoft office. And they have horrible working conditions and hours.
Why is it this way? Well, for an analogous example, I could say what's stopping you from going out into the oil industry and simply doing it all yourself instead of working through a company? For one, you probably don't own an oil rig.
These are professionals. There are people who do this for a living. The people who do the actual farming are irrelevant. It's not gamers, it's just people who work under ungodly conditions for a pathetic salary. That's just the way it goes. If you want to find out why this happens, study economics and study the case of China or other similar countries. There are massive amounts of people, they'll always find workers for this. You think the workers will just type in their bank accounts and cash in the money for themselves? I can't actually take that idea seriously.
If anything, this industry will increase greatly. They now have an official, safe platform to do a now legal activity.
-Memento
The amount of people that buy in game items and gold nowdays are insanely huge. Every game on the internet is infected with third party sites selling a amount of gold that would take you 100 hours of play for 2,99 bucks.
Yeah, I think the system will work pretty well. I mean, for the players it might not, since everyone will have top-tier stuff if/when that happens, but the way the system is designed is to make sure the more people are "making money" out of it, the less money each of them are making.
I don't see people paying 50 dollars for a Legendary Axe when there's so many people playing the game and enjoying it, and posting that Axe in the Real Money Auction House - it will probably sell for a much more reasonable price, like 5 or 10 dollars.
I was scared of the RMAH at first, but after reading the article on the main page, I think it might actually work - and if anyone can make it work, it's definitely Blizzard.
(that doesn't mean I'm not sceptical regarding bots or that I like the new "have access to all skills at full power at every time and swap them without penalties every encounter/30 seconds)
/thread?
And even if they match the prices, there is no guarantee that the item bought are from chinese farmers. Masses of people that play Diablo 3 will be selling items as well.
You know what this is the best example iv seen gg no one can do it better this him... winner
This is the reason why I can see Chinese farmers not even touching Diablo 3. I don't know why they would bother to be honest, there are plenty of other games where they completely control the market. There is going to be to much competition in Diablo 3 to make it viable for them.
It was be easier for them to control the market. They wouldn't have to sell their junk from a third party site. Too much competition? Do you know how big the population of China is? RMAH will bring them more clients than they can ever imagine. There is no way we can out farm items more than these people who play 20 hours a day. This is their life, and we can bet our arses they will be in the market for Diablo 3.
I know you could argue proxies but comeon, those are laggy as fuck and proxying USeast from like china is gonna be laggggy as fuckkk