I always enjoy simple and smooth designs, so it´s okay for me...
but what is really disturbing and unappropriate are the white borders for the avatars.
Isnt it possible to make them black or something that doesnt compete with the avatar itself?
Maybe its just me, but... the light red is just a little too bright.
Layout wise, It does look exactly like mmo-champion now that I went and looked at it, that's a bit odd but, overall a major improvement on the old style as it was just way to cluttered.
Excellent job, cant wait to see the tweeks you make.
I don't like it. Avatars too small, GIFs don't animate, TOO MUCH LIKE MMO-CHAMPION. I knew this was going to happen the second Boub took over. The only real reason Curse took over this website is because Blizzard cut a deal with the previous admin for exclusive Diablo 3 content since he willingly gave the Diablo3.com domain name to them.
It's frustrating too see our community handed over to someone who doesn't bother to answer his messages. Makes me feel like my voice is just being ignored.
Then contact the Community manager, not BIBI.. there a chain of command, Daemaro is the community manager, all feedback and issue needs to go to him, not bibi. If there is an issue which needs bibi's attention, dae will talk to him... but thats your issue, your not contacting the correct people.
I bet if we have a vote poll, most people would vote to bring back the old Diablofans.
What i find even more sad is the fact that most if not al admins, news people, wiki people non regulair members have litle choice then to say that they like it, and not give their REAL opinion about the new site layout and al other prev changes, most likely cause they wil lose their spot.
Propaganda, its sad that this is one of the very first thing that shoots to mind. The more they go against this post the more they gonna prove my point, simple as that my dear Diablo fans.
Actually, ive been doing a tally,and more people like the change/will like the change after a few fixes...
if you don't like the site, start posting facts about what you don't like so that devs get an idea. Everyone else is posting things they don't like, for exmaple the biggest issue is the bright red... and we know this because people are saying it, and not just posting "I dont like it, its going down hill...ect" Say exactly whats not good, so things can change, instead of posting incorrect info (aka: More people dont like it).
on a note about looking like mmo-champ. Well, the layout was designed by you know, the same people that made mmo-champ (im not talking about bibi). mmo-champ is the most successful news sites for wow. So saying you don't like it cause it looks like mmo-champ is fine, thats yoru opinion and thats okay, but if you want something change, thats not helpful, why does it looking like mmo-champ mean its bad? what about the mmo-style layout makes it bad for you? give information so things can be fixed/changed.
I'll contribute to the critique of the new layout and things that could be better overall. I'm a pretty casual, everyday visitor and is pretty indifferent either way, but I think I have some valuable thoughts to consider.
I like the new layout, but then again, I don't. This is the only diablo fan site I've ever been to, so I don't know if it looks similar to other sites or not, but there are a few things that I think would really be great to see changed.
Most important first: The thick red bars, specifically the ones that highlight each poster's name, are really uncomfortable to look at. The buttons aren't bad, as they seem to be the same width, but even those could be reduced to be more comfortable for the eyes. The bars are just too much, and it's really annoying to scroll down and see these huge bars all over the screen when the actual posts are so small in comparison. This is a must.
Before, things were more cluttered, but I liked how compact they were. Perhaps they were a little too compact, as the new layout has gone in the other direction. I this the new layout has the opposite problem: it's too stretched out. With a few tweaks, I think the site could be "cozy" without being too crowded or bloated.
Keep the logo; there's nothing wrong with it and I think it looks great. I agree that the white outlines on the avatars are terrible.
Someone else mentioned the huge signature artworks, and I definitely agree. Is it really necessary to have huge signatures when the actual poster's input is ten times smaller and insignificant? Yeah, kids like signatures because it's cool and all that, I understand the fascination with them, but it really degrades the quality of the posts. I like to hear what others have to say about these threads, but if it's a hassle to get through all the clutter just to adequately read what they have to say, I'm not going to bother.
It seems that if you wanted to get rid of clutter, this would be one of the first things that would be dealt with appropriately.
I guess I'll be the first one in here to bring up the pet idea.
The whole pet system, where each player will get a pet to pick up gold for them, sounds good, but they need to be careful. I really, really like the idea for having a small spider or snake, or some other insignificant creature running around and gathering gold for me, but it better not be obstrusive. It could easily become annoying to have a pet if it was too big and interacted with me too much. If it's there to collect gold, that's all it should do, and do it quietly and without me having to see it unless I'm wondering if its doing its job.
I like a little snake or spider would be great, but if they implement something obnoxious, I'll toggle the thing off and do it myself. I'm going to play to kill things, not to play with some adorable or distracting thing.
Yes very similar...I think I saw the one below the first time I went on the site after the new layout. Can't remember whether it was there for a couple of seconds or an hour...didn't pay much attention, perhaps just a placeholder (top one, or one similar, remember the 3 vertical bars with Diablo peering through):
on a note about looking like mmo-champ. Well, the layout was designed by you know, the same people that made mmo-champ (im not talking about bibi). mmo-champ is the most successful news sites for wow. So saying you don't like it cause it looks like mmo-champ is fine, thats yoru opinion and thats okay, but if you want something change, thats not helpful, why does it looking like mmo-champ mean its bad? what about the mmo-style layout makes it bad for you? give information so things can be fixed/changed.
You are right, it looking like mmo-champion does not equate to the style is bad, actually mmo-champion looks good.
The only reason I posted and not really a problem per say as they are owned by the same company, but this site is duplicating i.e. copying that sites style, which some may say is cheesy, now with your response, I see the reason, to hopefully do as well as that site. But, that should not be your only reason because simply it seems a little weird as this sites content is completely different in nature other than advertisements.
Again, I think it is a great improvement over the last style.
on a note about looking like mmo-champ. Well, the layout was designed by you know, the same people that made mmo-champ (im not talking about bibi). mmo-champ is the most successful news sites for wow. So saying you don't like it cause it looks like mmo-champ is fine, thats yoru opinion and thats okay, but if you want something change, thats not helpful, why does it looking like mmo-champ mean its bad? what about the mmo-style layout makes it bad for you? give information so things can be fixed/changed.
You are right, it looking like mmo-champion does not equate to the style is bad, actually mmo-champion looks good.
The only reason I posted and not really a problem per say as they are owned by the same company, but this site is duplicating i.e. copying that sites style, which some may say is cheesy, now with your response, I see the reason, to hopefully do as well as that site. But, that should not be your only reason because simply it seems a little weird as this sites content is completely different in nature other than advertisements.
Again, I think it is a great improvement over the last style.
yeah, I totally understand your point, and people are allowed not to like it because its similar, who am I to say why someone can and can not like something =P
its just the posting to help improve part, needs exact reasons, else it wont help the devs or anyone. Every negative post is being read for sure.
This first one (the one in white) looks really great, in my opinion. There's beauty in minimalism, and this one is great. The bottom one is good, but it misses the point of the emphasis on the most recent Diablo game being Diablo III, even though it has the three bars to symbolize that.
I agree that the white outlines on the avatars are terrible.
Avatars...yeah it would be nice if we could use images with transparency. And keep the avatars smaller. People don't come to look at them, they come to read the forum.
Someone else mentioned the huge signature artworks, and I definitely agree. Is it really necessary to have huge signatures when the actual poster's input is ten times smaller and insignificant? Yeah, kids like signatures because it's cool and all that, I understand the fascination with them, but it really degrades the quality of the posts. I like to hear what others have to say about these threads, but if it's a hassle to get through all the clutter just to adequately read what they have to say, I'm not going to bother.
It seems that if you wanted to get rid of clutter, this would be one of the first things that would be dealt with appropriately.
I'd quote this 50 times if I could. Please, please cut the allowable signature size down. 600x250 is just too big. As I said about the avatars, people don't come here to look at crappy pictures, they come for the content. When you allow such huge signatures, it does nothing but take away from the content. It is nice to have the option to hide signatures, but it's not on by default. The smaller the better.
Im sorry but its hidious. This new design is way to much mmo-champ. It hurts my eyes, please change back. I liked the old one muuuch better.
"OMG all the wow people are coming and makeing my dark dank website all MMO-championy!"
I love the new layout, the old one was so cramped with "stuff" on the right side. Only usfull thing was the poll but you can just put those into the acticle itself.
I don't like it. Avatars too small, GIFs don't animate, TOO MUCH LIKE MMO-CHAMPION. I knew this was going to happen the second Boub took over. The only real reason Curse took over this website is because Blizzard cut a deal with the previous admin for exclusive Diablo 3 content since he willingly gave the Diablo3.com domain name to them.
It's frustrating too see our community handed over to someone who doesn't bother to answer his messages. Makes me feel like my voice is just being ignored.
What the fuck. Your conspiracy theory is awesome, but your theory where Blizzard "cuts a deal" to get the domain back is slightly ridiculous. They basically asked nicely because Blizzard is actually nice/smart enough to do that before getting the lawyers out, but they wouldn't have to "cut a deal" if they just wanted to take it by force back then. They were just being extra nice by working with the existing fansite, that's about it.
I'm not ignoring anyone, I don't remember getting any PM from you and usually it's better to go through Daemaro for that kind of stuff since he's actually the community manager.
I bet if we have a vote poll, most people would vote to bring back the old Diablofans.
What i find even more sad is the fact that most if not al admins, news people, wiki people non regulair members have litle choice then to say that they like it, and not give their REAL opinion about the new site layout and al other prev changes, most likely cause they wil lose their spot.
Propaganda, its sad that this is one of the very first thing that shoots to mind. The more they go against this post the more they gonna prove my point, simple as that my dear Diablo fans.
People don't lose their spot for giving feedback, I'm really not known for kicking people out when it comes to work. Sites are mostly ran by volunteers who are only here because they want to help, you don't "kick" free help for disagreeing with you, you try to figure out why they're pissed and work with that.
Nobody's going to go against your post because there's nothing to go against, you're just QQ'ing for no reason while other people actually provide useful feedback ("Oh it looks ok but the red bar is too bright", etc ...), I'm all for serious discussions but you can't expect to be taken seriously if you're going to cover your ears and scream "I DON'T LIKE IT LA LA LA LA LA LA LA"
Because, being unique isnt bad. This site wont be "better, more popular, attract more members yadda yadda" just because it looks like Mmo-champ. People taking a look now, might like it due to being very similar or just despise it. It gives me the thought that THIS site is now just another site in a corporation owning shitloads of sites. The site isnt my dark lovley hole anymore, its a huge glass building just like every other building in the city. THAT is not good from ANY view at all. It just makes it unpersonal.
It doesn't have anything to do with looking like MMO-Champion, it has something to do with building a community and making navigation easier. The old design was extremely cluttered and it's just easier to just have forum posts + blue posts on the front page in a much cleaner layout. Hopefully it will bring back some life into the forums and checking for news regularly will be made much easier.
There is no secret mind trick to make you think that you should come more often because it might look like MMO Champion, this is just silly.
On a sidenote, yes, the smaller avatars are intended, and we will probably ask people to reduce their signature sizes in the future. Having someone posting his a 200 or 300px signature every time he posts one line in a thread is just stupid and eats up a lot of space for no reason.
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the old logo was way too better than that
Mmm, I'm currently seeing the old one:
This is the old one right?
i dont remember the old logo, but considering that this one is called 13_logo-old.png, i suspect it is the same as before.
hopefully they have a newer one that they're working on. if not, maybe they should have a logo design contest...... oh wait
/facepalm
but what is really disturbing and unappropriate are the white borders for the avatars.
Isnt it possible to make them black or something that doesnt compete with the avatar itself?
Cheers
It's close, but not quite
See here for the old one http://blog.vjeux.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/diablofans_new.jpg
Layout wise, It does look exactly like mmo-champion now that I went and looked at it, that's a bit odd but, overall a major improvement on the old style as it was just way to cluttered.
Excellent job, cant wait to see the tweeks you make.
Then contact the Community manager, not BIBI.. there a chain of command, Daemaro is the community manager, all feedback and issue needs to go to him, not bibi. If there is an issue which needs bibi's attention, dae will talk to him... but thats your issue, your not contacting the correct people.
Actually, ive been doing a tally,and more people like the change/will like the change after a few fixes...
if you don't like the site, start posting facts about what you don't like so that devs get an idea. Everyone else is posting things they don't like, for exmaple the biggest issue is the bright red... and we know this because people are saying it, and not just posting "I dont like it, its going down hill...ect" Say exactly whats not good, so things can change, instead of posting incorrect info (aka: More people dont like it).
on a note about looking like mmo-champ. Well, the layout was designed by you know, the same people that made mmo-champ (im not talking about bibi). mmo-champ is the most successful news sites for wow. So saying you don't like it cause it looks like mmo-champ is fine, thats yoru opinion and thats okay, but if you want something change, thats not helpful, why does it looking like mmo-champ mean its bad? what about the mmo-style layout makes it bad for you? give information so things can be fixed/changed.
I like the new layout, but then again, I don't. This is the only diablo fan site I've ever been to, so I don't know if it looks similar to other sites or not, but there are a few things that I think would really be great to see changed.
Most important first: The thick red bars, specifically the ones that highlight each poster's name, are really uncomfortable to look at. The buttons aren't bad, as they seem to be the same width, but even those could be reduced to be more comfortable for the eyes. The bars are just too much, and it's really annoying to scroll down and see these huge bars all over the screen when the actual posts are so small in comparison. This is a must.
Before, things were more cluttered, but I liked how compact they were. Perhaps they were a little too compact, as the new layout has gone in the other direction. I this the new layout has the opposite problem: it's too stretched out. With a few tweaks, I think the site could be "cozy" without being too crowded or bloated.
Keep the logo; there's nothing wrong with it and I think it looks great. I agree that the white outlines on the avatars are terrible.
Someone else mentioned the huge signature artworks, and I definitely agree. Is it really necessary to have huge signatures when the actual poster's input is ten times smaller and insignificant? Yeah, kids like signatures because it's cool and all that, I understand the fascination with them, but it really degrades the quality of the posts. I like to hear what others have to say about these threads, but if it's a hassle to get through all the clutter just to adequately read what they have to say, I'm not going to bother.
It seems that if you wanted to get rid of clutter, this would be one of the first things that would be dealt with appropriately.
I guess I'll be the first one in here to bring up the pet idea.
The whole pet system, where each player will get a pet to pick up gold for them, sounds good, but they need to be careful. I really, really like the idea for having a small spider or snake, or some other insignificant creature running around and gathering gold for me, but it better not be obstrusive. It could easily become annoying to have a pet if it was too big and interacted with me too much. If it's there to collect gold, that's all it should do, and do it quietly and without me having to see it unless I'm wondering if its doing its job.
I like a little snake or spider would be great, but if they implement something obnoxious, I'll toggle the thing off and do it myself. I'm going to play to kill things, not to play with some adorable or distracting thing.
Yes very similar...I think I saw the one below the first time I went on the site after the new layout. Can't remember whether it was there for a couple of seconds or an hour...didn't pay much attention, perhaps just a placeholder (top one, or one similar, remember the 3 vertical bars with Diablo peering through):
You are right, it looking like mmo-champion does not equate to the style is bad, actually mmo-champion looks good.
The only reason I posted and not really a problem per say as they are owned by the same company, but this site is duplicating i.e. copying that sites style, which some may say is cheesy, now with your response, I see the reason, to hopefully do as well as that site. But, that should not be your only reason because simply it seems a little weird as this sites content is completely different in nature other than advertisements.
Again, I think it is a great improvement over the last style.
yeah, I totally understand your point, and people are allowed not to like it because its similar, who am I to say why someone can and can not like something =P
its just the posting to help improve part, needs exact reasons, else it wont help the devs or anyone. Every negative post is being read for sure.
This first one (the one in white) looks really great, in my opinion. There's beauty in minimalism, and this one is great. The bottom one is good, but it misses the point of the emphasis on the most recent Diablo game being Diablo III, even though it has the three bars to symbolize that.
The logo isn't a big problem right now, though.
Avatars...yeah it would be nice if we could use images with transparency. And keep the avatars smaller. People don't come to look at them, they come to read the forum.
I'd quote this 50 times if I could. Please, please cut the allowable signature size down. 600x250 is just too big. As I said about the avatars, people don't come here to look at crappy pictures, they come for the content. When you allow such huge signatures, it does nothing but take away from the content. It is nice to have the option to hide signatures, but it's not on by default. The smaller the better.
sorry about the confusion i mean this:
ye.. but my point is, that is original, current logo looks like game's actual logo
I love the new layout, the old one was so cramped with "stuff" on the right side. Only usfull thing was the poll but you can just put those into the acticle itself.
What the fuck. Your conspiracy theory is awesome, but your theory where Blizzard "cuts a deal" to get the domain back is slightly ridiculous. They basically asked nicely because Blizzard is actually nice/smart enough to do that before getting the lawyers out, but they wouldn't have to "cut a deal" if they just wanted to take it by force back then. They were just being extra nice by working with the existing fansite, that's about it.
I'm not ignoring anyone, I don't remember getting any PM from you and usually it's better to go through Daemaro for that kind of stuff since he's actually the community manager.
People don't lose their spot for giving feedback, I'm really not known for kicking people out when it comes to work. Sites are mostly ran by volunteers who are only here because they want to help, you don't "kick" free help for disagreeing with you, you try to figure out why they're pissed and work with that.
Nobody's going to go against your post because there's nothing to go against, you're just QQ'ing for no reason while other people actually provide useful feedback ("Oh it looks ok but the red bar is too bright", etc ...), I'm all for serious discussions but you can't expect to be taken seriously if you're going to cover your ears and scream "I DON'T LIKE IT LA LA LA LA LA LA LA"
It doesn't have anything to do with looking like MMO-Champion, it has something to do with building a community and making navigation easier. The old design was extremely cluttered and it's just easier to just have forum posts + blue posts on the front page in a much cleaner layout. Hopefully it will bring back some life into the forums and checking for news regularly will be made much easier.
There is no secret mind trick to make you think that you should come more often because it might look like MMO Champion, this is just silly.
On a sidenote, yes, the smaller avatars are intended, and we will probably ask people to reduce their signature sizes in the future. Having someone posting his a 200 or 300px signature every time he posts one line in a thread is just stupid and eats up a lot of space for no reason.