Here I'm at a standpoint, and don't know what to do.
You can see my profile here http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/IcepickD-1823/hero/10626439
I'm currently running through MP2 like there is nothing in front of me. Using compas rose as a speed item, planning to move it to lacuni and use SOJ or zuni POX. haven't decided yet.
My current problem is mana management. I'm using skorn and there is no way of changing that soon. I've tried completing my zuni for mana regen but did not get much out of it.
So my question is for the HIGH end WD's out there what are they doing for the mana management problem. Or do they have it at all?
I know you don't have any problems with sacrifice build or with some very high speed like before1.04 splinters etc. But what to do about the ACID/bears problem?
I can one hit everything on MP1 and 2, on MP3 almost everything and there are not a lot of problems but when doing ubers on 6+ i run out of mana fast and then I'm dead, no life steal without mana.
I can get rid of the 20% DMG from passive,and get more mana like that but what next.
You are using pierce the veil and having problem with mana. Interesting
Anyway, what can you do besides dropping that passive, get soj with zombie charger cost reduction, it scales with attack speed, very good affix. Soj also increases your mana pool. There is also option to get helm with mana regen, since using zuni set without it is bit counterproductive, you gain that 20 regen, but you lose potential 14 for going helm with crit. So you could as well put there different helm, legendary with both crit and regen.
For ubers you need different spec, based on blood ritual and vq, along with spiders.
High end wd with 1h/mojo and >2.00 attack speed, even with perf bears cost reduction gear and maxed out mana regen, and blood ritual, use widowmakers with bears, just spam it to gain 40mana/s while spamming, and switch it with bears.
Easiest solution for you is to swap pierce the veil with blood ritual, huge different in mana cost.
And no, bears is best wd skill, most powerful aoe attack in the game, it is only way to farm high mp, including mp10 relatively fast. Proper bear build crushes absolutely everything else from wd, including gimmky 0cd builds. Bears are our best skill.
Thanks for the advice, I thought that there is no way of keeping the pierce, but I love the 20% DMG boost.
Ok here is another question. Currently I'm having little to no problems with RD on higher MP. What would be the situation there with using 1h/off hand. I just hate kiting, enough of that before 1.04 with WD. Is it possible to remove the treat of RD with that. Using bears, I know it is good with ACID build you can use LOH.
Also I'm concerned with the price of items with using trifecta jewels and gloves. This seems to me like MUST GO option when using 1h+OH. Correct?
What would be the number of LOH you need to counter RD with ACID? How do bears go with LOH, i guess pourly.
Well to be honest changing out pierce the veil would help a lot already.
Running with Pierce the Veil needs a very high mana reg as well as some skills to support it. So Skorn (missing out on up to 28 mp per sec plus over 200 extra mana) and Pierce the Veil do not fit well together.
The other thing is that your pick up radius is simply to small so often you are not getting the extra 2% mana from Grave Injustice (items with maximum mana help here a little as well).
Finally together with high Mana Spirit Walk Honored guest does a great job getting your mana back.
Higher pickup wouldn't help me here! I said I have no problem with MP1-3, a little with MP4. Going MP6+ in a group for ubers is problem. Fights last long and I just don't have enough mana to contribute with my DMG, so I feel like I'm not using my potentioal DMG. Globes do not drop often enough on UBERS to help with my mana issues.
So the real question is how to get trough the long fights, how to get the mana up all the time. I don't see this problem with Barb, and their high fury gain spells, also DH have the same. I'm asking what should I do to accomplish the same, and loosing much of my DPS.
Those other classes have a way of filling their resource fast enough couple of sec. Is there a way to do this with WD? How? Don;t want to swap all my DPS for mana management, there is no point in doing that.
For ubers you need different spec, based on blood ritual and vq, along with spiders.
High end wd with 1h/mojo and >2.00 attack speed, even with perf bears cost reduction gear and maxed out mana regen, and blood ritual, use widowmakers with bears, just spam it to gain 40mana/s while spamming, and switch it with bears.
I want to use bears to do Ubers, but I need heals cuz theres a lot of damage on those fights. Thats why I use Acid rain LOH combo, but the damage is not that great :/ Do you think 3% LS is good enought? Im 110k dps with skorn atm, but a LS skorn is so damm expensive u.u.
@IcepickD: bears dont proc LOH, you must use Life steal with bears. Also for farming, try changing gargantuan for sacrifice pride. It worked for me.
You should get honored guest instead of jaunt, and then I don't think that you would run out of mana since you have only 6 ias on items (which is good). Zunimasa's pox is not so expensive so maybe you should consider buying one for set bonus. At the moment I got 1.4 attacks per second and +28 mps from items. With that I don't have mana problems even on Mp10.
For ubers you need different spec, based on blood ritual and vq, along with spiders.
High end wd with 1h/mojo and >2.00 attack speed, even with perf bears cost reduction gear and maxed out mana regen, and blood ritual, use widowmakers with bears, just spam it to gain 40mana/s while spamming, and switch it with bears.
I want to use bears to do Ubers, but I need heals cuz theres a lot of damage on those fights. Thats why I use Acid rain LOH combo, but the damage is not that great :/ Do you think 3% LS is good enought? Im 110k dps with skorn atm, but a LS skorn is so damm expensive u.u.
@IcepickD: bears dont proc LOH, you must use Life steal with bears. Also for farming, try changing gargantuan for sacrifice pride. It worked for me.
I tried 3% LS, and it did not work for me. That is the reason i jumped to skorn. Although to tell the truth at that time I did not have enough DPS. But from what I read on forums it is not enough.
Ok pride is good. But again, we are talking about the long fights, 5Mins, I can't have enough zombie dogs out to use pride constantly.
Would have to change most of my items for that to be effective, also I would have to make some sort of combo with sacrifice build.
You should get honored guest instead of jaunt, and then I don't think that you would run out of mana since you have only 6 ias on items (which is good). Zunimasa's pox is not so expensive so maybe you should consider buying one for set bonus. At the moment I got 1.4 attacks per second and +28 mps from items. With that I don't have mana problems even on Mp10.
can't give links but my WD is hasansabbah#2914
This is true again for lower MP. You can use spirit walk again in 15 sec. But I spend all my mana in like 8 or less. And spirit walk gives me only 15%, dont think this would help me all the way.
What I'm looking for is a what DH, Barb or Monks have. A way to regain my full resource in a few seconds, so that I may continue with my killing for the next 5-10
My MP6+ build http://eu.battle.net...dU.R!XcU!bcYZ.a (one active skill open for creativity). Blood ritual, VQ, honored guest, widowmakers on top of 102 mana reg does the job pretty darn well. I always have mana for AR when needed.
I feel I've soft of beaten the issue. Either pack dies before Im out of mana or in MP 7-10 I have have to move for various reasons. Then the mana gets back up pretty quickly. Lack of mana isnt really an issue for me anymore while farming.
Dude, you have awesome gear. Also 1H/OH, 20+ mana regen from that alone.
How efficient is your farming? How long does a standard ACT3 runs take, on higher MP. Lets say 6.
You can make wd without loh, that heals just through 3% ll via bears. With skorn much easier to do since it can get 6% life steal.
If you don't want to rely on loh skills (acid rain, rain of toads), in order to survive reflect, you need mitigate reflect damage.
Life steal + armor + physical resistance + additional DR from skills. Check out my other thread for formula and accurate numbers.
It is possible to stop losing health to reflect, just need to use horrify with 100% armor bonus, and dps during that. That rune + spirit walk, you can attack for quite long time, downtime where you have to stop bears is very short compared to classic approach which uses spirit walk only. It is quite fun to use this setup, and not be limited by loh items, you can buy really nice dps amulet and ignore loh for example.
This seems like a good example of what you can do with only 3% LS.
You are using pierce the veil and having problem with mana. Interesting
Anyway, what can you do besides dropping that passive, get soj with zombie charger cost reduction, it scales with attack speed, very good affix. Soj also increases your mana pool. There is also option to get helm with mana regen, since using zuni set without it is bit counterproductive, you gain that 20 regen, but you lose potential 14 for going helm with crit. So you could as well put there different helm, legendary with both crit and regen.
For ubers you need different spec, based on blood ritual and vq, along with spiders.
High end wd with 1h/mojo and >2.00 attack speed, even with perf bears cost reduction gear and maxed out mana regen, and blood ritual, use widowmakers with bears, just spam it to gain 40mana/s while spamming, and switch it with bears.
Easiest solution for you is to swap pierce the veil with blood ritual, huge different in mana cost.
And no, bears is best wd skill, most powerful aoe attack in the game, it is only way to farm high mp, including mp10 relatively fast. Proper bear build crushes absolutely everything else from wd, including gimmky 0cd builds. Bears are our best skill.
But if your farming the high monster power levels, your doing it all wrong anyways. High mp is only used for 2 things. Key grabbing and Ubber bosses. Farming anything above mp3 is counter productive and foolish. And oh boy bears are useless at mp3.
You are using pierce the veil and having problem with mana. Interesting
Anyway, what can you do besides dropping that passive, get soj with zombie charger cost reduction, it scales with attack speed, very good affix. Soj also increases your mana pool. There is also option to get helm with mana regen, since using zuni set without it is bit counterproductive, you gain that 20 regen, but you lose potential 14 for going helm with crit. So you could as well put there different helm, legendary with both crit and regen.
For ubers you need different spec, based on blood ritual and vq, along with spiders.
High end wd with 1h/mojo and >2.00 attack speed, even with perf bears cost reduction gear and maxed out mana regen, and blood ritual, use widowmakers with bears, just spam it to gain 40mana/s while spamming, and switch it with bears.
Easiest solution for you is to swap pierce the veil with blood ritual, huge different in mana cost.
And no, bears is best wd skill, most powerful aoe attack in the game, it is only way to farm high mp, including mp10 relatively fast. Proper bear build crushes absolutely everything else from wd, including gimmky 0cd builds. Bears are our best skill.
But if your farming the high monster power levels, your doing it all wrong anyways. High mp is only used for 2 things. Key grabbing and Ubber bosses. Farming anything above mp3 is counter productive and foolish. And oh boy bears are useless at mp3.
Bears are not useless at MP3, I'm currently using those items you see on my profile to farm MP3 on MAX MF, and my runs last only 1-2 minutes longer than MP2 or MP1. I find MP1 and MP2 the same speed as I can plow through it like cheese without any difference. All die from one hit. Packs only a couple of secs difference.
You are using pierce the veil and having problem with mana. Interesting
Anyway, what can you do besides dropping that passive, get soj with zombie charger cost reduction, it scales with attack speed, very good affix. Soj also increases your mana pool. There is also option to get helm with mana regen, since using zuni set without it is bit counterproductive, you gain that 20 regen, but you lose potential 14 for going helm with crit. So you could as well put there different helm, legendary with both crit and regen.
For ubers you need different spec, based on blood ritual and vq, along with spiders.
High end wd with 1h/mojo and >2.00 attack speed, even with perf bears cost reduction gear and maxed out mana regen, and blood ritual, use widowmakers with bears, just spam it to gain 40mana/s while spamming, and switch it with bears.
Easiest solution for you is to swap pierce the veil with blood ritual, huge different in mana cost.
And no, bears is best wd skill, most powerful aoe attack in the game, it is only way to farm high mp, including mp10 relatively fast. Proper bear build crushes absolutely everything else from wd, including gimmky 0cd builds. Bears are our best skill.
But if your farming the high monster power levels, your doing it all wrong anyways. High mp is only used for 2 things. Key grabbing and Ubber bosses. Farming anything above mp3 is counter productive and foolish. And oh boy bears are useless at mp3.
Bears are not useless at MP3, I'm currently using those items you see on my profile to farm MP3 on MAX MF, and my runs last only 1-2 minutes longer than MP2 or MP1. I find MP1 and MP2 the same speed as I can plow through it like cheese without any difference. All die from one hit. Packs only a couple of secs difference.
Bears are useless at low mp. You got to stand still and therefor its ineffective.
You should get honored guest instead of jaunt, and then I don't think that you would run out of mana since you have only 6 ias on items (which is good). Zunimasa's pox is not so expensive so maybe you should consider buying one for set bonus. At the moment I got 1.4 attacks per second and +28 mps from items. With that I don't have mana problems even on Mp10.
can't give links but my WD is hasansabbah#2914
This is true again for lower MP. You can use spirit walk again in 15 sec. But I spend all my mana in like 8 or less. And spirit walk gives me only 15%, dont think this would help me all the way.
What I'm looking for is a what DH, Barb or Monks have. A way to regain my full resource in a few seconds, so that I may continue with my killing for the next 5-10
I am not talking about low MP my regular farming is on MP7-8 and sometimes I do MP10 for a change. And honered guest provides a total %30 mana in 2 seconds not % 15. The mistake most of the WD's out there doing is to think that more dps on the spread sheet the better. For example I have unbuffed 169k DPS on my spreadsheet but I can say confidently that I am one of the best damage dealer Witch Doctor in Europe.
Just to see higher dps on spread sheet you take PtV but you don't count the downtime to regenerate your mana. For me It is non-stop spamming with only bears on primary.
I have other builds for farm as well like;
/calculator/witch-doctor#fSUYdQ!UYW!cZZbcb Can't post url yet just paste it after calculator.
if you don't have problems by dropping spirit vessel this is an ok build with slow weapon&high mana regen gears. It is up to you to swap firebomb with spiders for mana or splinters. If you are struggling vs reflects you may have toads (provided you have LOH) but I like the damage output of firebomb (Crits over 1m with monk in party).
For the speed of my build I can only say how fast elites die, depending on the affixes I have seen elites on MP8 die in 3-5 seconds.
Bears are not useless at low mp, even at mp1.
They are best elite killer for acid rain build. I have tested all kinds of combos, with char that hits way over 400k dps buffed, and bears win the competition. You basically erase any elitepack in 1-2 seconds at mp1 with bears, while killing everything else with acid rain.
There is no other skill that allows to consistently kill elites that fast at low mp.
Bears are slow and ineffective. If you take a look at Emberos acid rain xp spec, you will find it alot quicker and efficient compared to bears. You barely stand still with an acid rain spec, as it can be cast all over the place. As for elite packs. Sacrifice does the job as good as bears.
You can read his guide and see his video if your still in doubt.
They also die instantly with sacrifice, and if they by some reason shouldnt die due to dogs movement pattern, all it takes is 1 acid rain and you can toss that from 40 yards distance. Time a run of each spec. I guarantee you that if you just play nearly okay. The acid rain spec will be 10-20% quicker.
My experience is as such. There are three primary builds you need to figure out for yourself, Low MP paragon/MF grinding is going to be different then high MP Paragon/mf/key grinding, and lastly an Uber build. Even though there is a lot of overlap I do have 3 different builds for each scenario and I have half a dozen items used to compliment each build.
From what I gathered you are having mana issues while farming higher end MP levels so I will be talking specifically about that. Acid rain starts sucking around mp3 or 4 plus. There is only one logical goto for mobs with such high health, that is bears. bears will run your mana pool dry even with high regen and a large mana pool. There are only 4 thing I have found that efficiently help with mana regen beyond gear.
1:Spirit walk with mana regen rune... its a nice little bump and becomes really efficent with high PuR when coupled with number 3. The reason for this is in large packs once demons start dieing the CD on spirit walk becomes reset really quickly allowing you to regen your mana every couple of seconds
2:Gruesome feast: Mana regen and dps boost from globes, benefits greatly with large PuR
3:grave injustice: CD reduction and % mana boost from any enemy death within your PuR
4: BBVD with mana regen: I have close to 100 mana regen, when I use BBVD I can spam bears indefinitely while standing in BBVD.
All these things combined give a lot of mana regen to a typical bears build. SO my final prognosis is this, while your gear is decent you dont have the PuR to properly use your passives and are thus oom'ing like mad.
You will need really high attack speed though for the Fetishes, so with a Skorn, I'm not sure this would work, but it solves all mana problems easily and you keep a high DPS. If you want, switch the locusts for bears/wall of zombies and if you have enough HP/Ar/AR you can get rid of jungle fort for a different passive.
They also die instantly with sacrifice, and if they by some reason shouldnt die due to dogs movement pattern, all it takes is 1 acid rain and you can toss that from 40 yards distance. Time a run of each spec. I guarantee you that if you just play nearly okay. The acid rain spec will be 10-20% quicker.
I really don't understand how can it be faster with skill tthat has cooldown. You can use sacrifice 1x vs elite. If you have dogs summoned from passive (which also lowers your run speed, since you need 3 passive for most efficient farming, grave injustice, gruesome feast and spirit vessel for extra 2s cooldown reduction). These dogs don't magically appear in the middle of elitepack, they need to get there, and they are distracted by other targets. Also then elitepack moves and spreads, you can't hit them all with sacrifice.
This skill sometimes works great, but often time it deals very little damage if you miss it, for reasons listed above. The problem is to hit elitepack with dogs.
If you had 0 cd dogs and could just spam them at very fast cast rate vs stunned elitepack, that is clumped and affected by all aoe - then it would be as fast as bears. But this is entirely different build and gear.
I tested this variant, both with dogs from circle of life and second with dogs that i summon manually to detonate them instantly in the middle of elitepack. In both cases significantly worse than using bears instead.
You dont take spirit vessel, you take circle of life, which gives you 3 zombie dogs instantly, assuming you have pickup radius duh. So there is no thing called cooldown. And considering your flying from pack to pack of trash. Again your pickup radius make sure you basicly got no cooldown on spiriit walk and horrify with walker,
Personally feel you're both right - depending on the MP level. At low MPs (0,1,2), I really don't see the need for Bears at all. Sac works 90+% of the time -- yes there's a rare occasion it doesn't but not enough for me to drop another skill to bring Bears in. Also, and credit to Aerialus on posting about this, I'm currently using Zombie Dogs / Final Gift + Circle of Life due to increased Globe drop that combo causes. I've also upped my pickup radius to 32 so I'm grabbing globes that I would miss as I ran forward to clear content. All of this ups damage, ups mana return (which lets me use Jaunt instead of Honored Guest for more speed), gives more cooldown reduction (which puts Jaunt up more often), and all around gives me more speed than putting Bears in that Dog slot. It also gives me the ability to double-sac on an elite pack if there are issues with the first Sac. I'm in the mid-60 mil xp/hr now with this setup and I really wouldn't change much about it.
All of that said, we move into a higher MP level and no question Bears would start to show their worth -- but as we've all discussed before no great reason to go up in MP level if we are farming Paragon XP/Legendaries.
You can see my profile here http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/IcepickD-1823/hero/10626439
I'm currently running through MP2 like there is nothing in front of me. Using compas rose as a speed item, planning to move it to lacuni and use SOJ or zuni POX. haven't decided yet.
My current problem is mana management. I'm using skorn and there is no way of changing that soon. I've tried completing my zuni for mana regen but did not get much out of it.
So my question is for the HIGH end WD's out there what are they doing for the mana management problem. Or do they have it at all?
I know you don't have any problems with sacrifice build or with some very high speed like before1.04 splinters etc. But what to do about the ACID/bears problem?
I can one hit everything on MP1 and 2, on MP3 almost everything and there are not a lot of problems but when doing ubers on 6+ i run out of mana fast and then I'm dead, no life steal without mana.
I can get rid of the 20% DMG from passive,and get more mana like that but what next.
Currently played toon: https://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Rage-2973/hero/97362116
Ok here is another question. Currently I'm having little to no problems with RD on higher MP. What would be the situation there with using 1h/off hand. I just hate kiting, enough of that before 1.04 with WD. Is it possible to remove the treat of RD with that. Using bears, I know it is good with ACID build you can use LOH.
Also I'm concerned with the price of items with using trifecta jewels and gloves. This seems to me like MUST GO option when using 1h+OH. Correct?
What would be the number of LOH you need to counter RD with ACID? How do bears go with LOH, i guess pourly.
So the real question is how to get trough the long fights, how to get the mana up all the time. I don't see this problem with Barb, and their high fury gain spells, also DH have the same. I'm asking what should I do to accomplish the same, and loosing much of my DPS.
Those other classes have a way of filling their resource fast enough couple of sec. Is there a way to do this with WD? How? Don;t want to swap all my DPS for mana management, there is no point in doing that.
I want to use bears to do Ubers, but I need heals cuz theres a lot of damage on those fights. Thats why I use Acid rain LOH combo, but the damage is not that great :/ Do you think 3% LS is good enought? Im 110k dps with skorn atm, but a LS skorn is so damm expensive u.u.
@IcepickD: bears dont proc LOH, you must use Life steal with bears. Also for farming, try changing gargantuan for sacrifice pride. It worked for me.
can't give links but my WD is hasansabbah#2914
Ok pride is good. But again, we are talking about the long fights, 5Mins, I can't have enough zombie dogs out to use pride constantly.
Would have to change most of my items for that to be effective, also I would have to make some sort of combo with sacrifice build.
What I'm looking for is a what DH, Barb or Monks have. A way to regain my full resource in a few seconds, so that I may continue with my killing for the next 5-10
How efficient is your farming? How long does a standard ACT3 runs take, on higher MP. Lets say 6.
But if your farming the high monster power levels, your doing it all wrong anyways. High mp is only used for 2 things. Key grabbing and Ubber bosses. Farming anything above mp3 is counter productive and foolish. And oh boy bears are useless at mp3.
Currently played toon: https://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Rage-2973/hero/97362116
Bears are useless at low mp. You got to stand still and therefor its ineffective.
Currently played toon: https://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Rage-2973/hero/97362116
I am not talking about low MP my regular farming is on MP7-8 and sometimes I do MP10 for a change. And honered guest provides a total %30 mana in 2 seconds not % 15. The mistake most of the WD's out there doing is to think that more dps on the spread sheet the better. For example I have unbuffed 169k DPS on my spreadsheet but I can say confidently that I am one of the best damage dealer Witch Doctor in Europe.
Just to see higher dps on spread sheet you take PtV but you don't count the downtime to regenerate your mana. For me It is non-stop spamming with only bears on primary.
I have other builds for farm as well like;
/calculator/witch-doctor#fSUYdQ!UYW!cZZbcb Can't post url yet just paste it after calculator.
if you don't have problems by dropping spirit vessel this is an ok build with slow weapon&high mana regen gears. It is up to you to swap firebomb with spiders for mana or splinters. If you are struggling vs reflects you may have toads (provided you have LOH) but I like the damage output of firebomb (Crits over 1m with monk in party).
For the speed of my build I can only say how fast elites die, depending on the affixes I have seen elites on MP8 die in 3-5 seconds.
Bears are slow and ineffective. If you take a look at Emberos acid rain xp spec, you will find it alot quicker and efficient compared to bears. You barely stand still with an acid rain spec, as it can be cast all over the place. As for elite packs. Sacrifice does the job as good as bears.
You can read his guide and see his video if your still in doubt.
http://www.diablofans.com/topic/77966-acid-cloud-paragon-farming-50-mill-xphr/page__p__1080745#entry1080745
Currently played toon: https://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Rage-2973/hero/97362116
Currently played toon: https://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Rage-2973/hero/97362116
From what I gathered you are having mana issues while farming higher end MP levels so I will be talking specifically about that. Acid rain starts sucking around mp3 or 4 plus. There is only one logical goto for mobs with such high health, that is bears. bears will run your mana pool dry even with high regen and a large mana pool. There are only 4 thing I have found that efficiently help with mana regen beyond gear.
1:Spirit walk with mana regen rune... its a nice little bump and becomes really efficent with high PuR when coupled with number 3. The reason for this is in large packs once demons start dieing the CD on spirit walk becomes reset really quickly allowing you to regen your mana every couple of seconds
2:Gruesome feast: Mana regen and dps boost from globes, benefits greatly with large PuR
3:grave injustice: CD reduction and % mana boost from any enemy death within your PuR
4: BBVD with mana regen: I have close to 100 mana regen, when I use BBVD I can spam bears indefinitely while standing in BBVD.
All these things combined give a lot of mana regen to a typical bears build. SO my final prognosis is this, while your gear is decent you dont have the PuR to properly use your passives and are thus oom'ing like mad.
Hope I helped
No mana regen or abilities needed; Try this out: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/witch-doctor#ShUdgY!aWV!cccccc
You will need really high attack speed though for the Fetishes, so with a Skorn, I'm not sure this would work, but it solves all mana problems easily and you keep a high DPS. If you want, switch the locusts for bears/wall of zombies and if you have enough HP/Ar/AR you can get rid of jungle fort for a different passive.
You dont take spirit vessel, you take circle of life, which gives you 3 zombie dogs instantly, assuming you have pickup radius duh. So there is no thing called cooldown. And considering your flying from pack to pack of trash. Again your pickup radius make sure you basicly got no cooldown on spiriit walk and horrify with walker,
Again i can only repeat myself.:
http://www.diablofans.com/topic/77966-acid-cloud-paragon-farming-50-mill-xphr/page__p__1080745#entry1080745
Watch and Then decide.
Everything has been tested inside and out. And the spec and playstyle that came out on top, happens to be the spec Emberos have made a thread about.
Currently played toon: https://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Rage-2973/hero/97362116
All of that said, we move into a higher MP level and no question Bears would start to show their worth -- but as we've all discussed before no great reason to go up in MP level if we are farming Paragon XP/Legendaries.
D3Progress: http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/emberos-1608/Emberos/51824579