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would it not be better to cube the staff and equip havester so u could use an oh?

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would it not be better to cube the staff and equip havester so u could use an oh?

why the haunt?

i get the feeling that the mana regen is not necessary

i noticed u prioritized AS over damage on weapon, can you explain why? is there a specific AS breakpoint u aiming or smt?

sorry, im new to this, thx a lot

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would it not be better to cube the staff and equip havester so u could use an oh?

a cubed staff yields no fire bats damage sadly

I did a solo 81 in season HC with a similar build. I used SH and Kitty mojo and cubed the staff. The firebats dmg is quite weak if you consider u can roll even more AD and 15% firebats dmg on the mojo and get more crit chance and attack speed for using a cere knife. I havent simulated the dmg. But imo having the legendary afix from a mojo + 10% crit chance against a 35% additive dmg (discounting 15% that you would get on the mojo anyway) is way stronger for solo.

Btw i tried with both bracers and only lakumba with loh and it was holding ok. Like that i could cube mantle and run COE.

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would it not be better to cube the staff and equip havester so u could use an oh?

a cubed staff yields no fire bats damage sadly

It yields no bat damage yes, but it also allows for use of Henri's perquisition which is INSANELY useful - doubling as survivability and utility by allowing you ample time to set up your skills (along with crit chance, more int, and two of either area damage, vit, or, 15% bat damage) .

The higher IAS from the one hander also makes it extremely easy to hit the 1.5 APS breakpoint, which helps with damage yes - but more importantly churns out a much higher return on your LOH. This combined survivability allows you to drop Rorg/mantle of channeling and throw in a COE - which is easy to time and insanely against RG's.

I tried this build with a non ancient Staff of Chiro after seeing the 4 man leaderboards but struggled to clear 70 (seasonal) - popped in my sub par ancient sacred harvester (no area damage, no vit) with a non-ancient kitty mojo and cleared 75 on my second try with a minute to spare and my gear/gems are GARBAGE). With optimal gear/gems & high paragon this build could easily push into the upper 80's

my toon- http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/GrizZ-1908/hero/79283274 (shit paragon, shit gear, shit gems - 2 GRS from leaderboard lol)

Hey All! I love this build and did some testing with it. After a little tweaking I found this to be just as strong as the Garg and Jade builds.

1. The main problem I encountered with this build is CC which breaks the Firebats channel. This reduces your DPS a ton because you can't channel as much and because the Firebats base skill % damage keeps resetting. The frequent interrupts also increases your mana costs. Many mobs have innate knockbacks and stuns so you are super dependent on the mob RNG to get a good run. This became really annoying so I looked for a solution...
2. I found that the new and improved Invigorating Gemstone was better than the Esoteric (massing cc reduction helps but it won't stop the interrupts, which is the main problem). You can NEVER get stunned which really improves your DPS, mana management, and recovery dramatically. It also increases your healing received which amplifies your Firebats recovery even more. To compensate for the loss of toughness I replaced Grave Injustice with Swampland Attunement. You're still vulnerable to lightning and arcane, but I found it much better. We all love GI, and think it's a mandatory passive for all WD specs, but it's not as useful for this build like other WD ones. The only thing it really helps with is the Spirit Walk and Soul Harvest, but if you are just more careful with how you use these it's not a big loss.
3. Due to the improved mana management I found that I could swap Draining Spirit with Resentful Spirits.
4. I tried cubing the Chiroptera and using Sacred Harvester + Henri. This didn't work out nearly as well, the DPS loss was too much. You can make a case for it if you have an ancient Sacred Harvestor and a normal Chiroptera, but you're probably better off switching your paragon points or gems around if you need more survivability.
5. Another disadvantage of this build is the slow move speed. You pretty much have to take what comes at you because you can't easily skip lots of mobs due to slow move speed and survivability.

I didn't try this in groups yet.

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1) The Skill% Bonus is another multplicator, not additive, its a flatout 45-60% extra damage, since your weapon is the only Skill% source.

The recommended stats include %Firebats on helm. Also, wouldn't the +200% Firebats from Bakuli Jungle Wraps water down %Firebats significantly?

With ideal rolls -

1) Wielding Staff of Chiroptera 15% Helm + 200% belt + 60% weapon = 275% Firebats

2) Cubing Staff of Chiroptera 15% Helm + 200% belt + 15% offhand = 230% Firebats

If I'm completely wrong, let me know. I'm just trying to figure this stuff out myself.

The 200% from bakuli should be a separate multiplier from the others. +% firebats on gear is all additive with one another but +% damage from legendary abilities is separate multipliers.

So 75% vs 30% fire bats damage. Going from 30% to 75% is an effective 34.6% damage increase, fairly significant.

Hi, tks for this build

I just want to ask if it's possible to mix the helltooth set with the arachyr set (so we have 2 four piece bonus) ?

Tks

BTW,

I see a lot of people on here wondering what does more DPS, the staff or the onehand+mojo option.

The simplest answer to is to go d3planner.com, import your character, and try it out. You'll immediately see the difference in eDPS and toughness.

The DPS calculations are almost always correct. If not, report an issue using the "Bugs or Suggestions" link on the bottom of the page.

Hey,bigdaddyden(Tony) I've made a very similar fireboats build to this one but its pretty much poison damage and it melts everything so maybe have a look and if you have any suggestions on wether it's good or bad. Cheers

This is the only variation I've seen that doesn't run dogs. Does the up front damage reduction justify running LS on your bar over zombie dogs? Sorry I jumped in so late, but with no patch this season, this is still relevant.