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I'm wondering how the f*ck people are managing to keep this build alive without proper CDR. I've reached 66 solo with U6 and I never had a problem with survivability, only with grifts densities, but with this build I'm getting crushed when Epiphany is off (which is a long time due to no CDR). It is worth to mention that I don't have a String of Ears, but the belt I'm currently using is ancient with Dex, Vit, Ar and Life% so I believe that the 25-30% melee reduction from String won't make THAT huge difference by itself.

@Deitri Do you have lph on both weapons and 90% fdragon uptime ?

Now I do have a question on some of these guides for this build some of them say only use Way of the Hundred fist because of the stacking 60% buff you get for dmg never stops stacking and others say just use Fist of Thunder. Can anyone validate this for me?

@kurtinator Not LPH but Vit, and the guide says LPH = Vit, so I believe I shouldn't mind much about this...?

What about using Inner Sanctuary FP instead of serenity or desert shroud. Will come back relatively quick, offers 55% damage reduction and moe damage as well. I know you have to stand in it, but we are looking for density packs anyway and have dash.

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Is this build better than the original shenlong's generator build for solo grifts?

I would say yes. When you can handle the Charge-Stacks

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I'm wondering how the f*ck people are managing to keep this build alive without proper CDR. I've reached 66 solo with U6 and I never had a problem with survivability, only with grifts densities, but with this build I'm getting crushed when Epiphany is off (which is a long time due to no CDR). It is worth to mention that I don't have a String of Ears, but the belt I'm currently using is ancient with Dex, Vit, Ar and Life% so I believe that the 25-30% melee reduction from String won't make THAT huge difference by itself.

http://www.d3planner.com/108356267 check this out

There is a chinese guy who finished g 75 without cdr using serenity instead of epiphany.i ve finished gr 60 with gears that dont have the exact stats.need 2.0 as and + 75m toughness and +5m healing with enough res.gonna send u the link the guy created in d3planner.and believe me this build is more enjoyable than uliana build.

So how much AS do we need? I have 7% on Fist and 7% on ring... is this enough?

As quoted above by Raz9r:

"With the recommended attack speed you have slightly more than 90% Flying Dragon uptime."

WTF is the recommended AS? 14%?

You don't actually need that much APS. See my d3planner here (incomplete items, just the ones that affect attack speed).

Currently I have 0 IAS from items. This gives me a 24 frame FoF and a 22 frame FoT.

5 more IAS gives me a 22 frame FoF. If I get up to 7 IAS, that'll also improve me to a 21 frame FoT. Since I max out at 21 total item IAS (24 with enchantress), no further breakpoints are reachable.

If I wanted to give up a mod on my amulet to get EVEN MOAR IAS, I could get up to a total of 28 IAS from items (31 including enchantress). Using just the 4 IAS items will get me to a 20 frame FoF. Throwing the Enchantress on top will give me a 19 Frame FoT as well. However, none of these bonuses provide more damage than the 20% lightning on the amulet would, so this is all moot point.

tl;dr
Assuming you have

• Radiance/Alacrity/Seize the Initiative
• Rainment2
• FD proc
• 10% from paragon

then 0 IAS on items is fine, further breakpoints would be 5 or 7 IAS. No need to go beyond that.

This is without transgression/gogok. I guess if you use those it changes some of the math, but I don't think the bonuses are worth what you give up.

EDIT: uh I guess I was optimizing for APS with FD proc up? But I *should* have been optimizing for APS without FD proc (so that we can maximize FD procs)? Anyway, hopefully the above work is useful for some people, but my tl;dr is probably wrong.

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You don't actually need that much APS. See my d3planner here (incomplete items, just the ones that affect attack speed).

Currently I have 0 IAS from items. This gives me a 24 frame FoF and a 22 frame FoT.

5 more IAS gives me a 22 frame FoF. If I get up to 7 IAS, that'll also improve me to a 21 frame FoT. Since I max out at 21 total item IAS (24 with enchantress), no further breakpoints are reachable.

If I wanted to give up a mod on my amulet to get EVEN MOAR IAS, I could get up to a total of 28 IAS from items (31 including enchantress). Using just the 4 IAS items will get me to a 20 frame FoF. Throwing the Enchantress on top will give me a 19 Frame FoT as well. However, none of these bonuses provide more damage than the 20% lightning on the amulet would, so this is all moot point.

tl;dr
Assuming you have

• Radiance/Alacrity/Seize the Initiative
• Rainment2
• FD proc
• 10% from paragon

then 0 IAS on items is fine, further breakpoints would be 5 or 7 IAS. No need to go beyond that.

This is without transgression/gogok. I guess if you use those it changes some of the math, but I don't think the bonuses are worth what you give up.

EDIT: uh I guess I was optimizing for APS with FD proc up? But I *should* have been optimizing for APS without FD proc (so that we can maximize FD procs)? Anyway, hopefully the above work is useful for some people, but my tl;dr is probably wrong.

The answer about IAS is indeed when FD procs => you need at least 7% IAS on your gear to reach the last break point (w/o enchantress, tested on d3planner). That represents 1.85 sheet APS. Now with 7% IAS, your FD uptime is about 90% ( see more here http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/15006760733 ). 21% IAS on gear is getting you near 10 APS with WotF (full buffed), then close to 93% FD uptime which is the max we can get.

sorry, im a little confused. with enchantress do you still need 7% ias on gear? or would 5% or 6% roll work

or do you mean at least 10% ( 7% max roll on gear + 3% from enchantress?) to reach the 90% uptime?

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Quote from lasagnaman»

You don't actually need that much APS. See my d3planner here (incomplete items, just the ones that affect attack speed).

Currently I have 0 IAS from items. This gives me a 24 frame FoF and a 22 frame FoT.

5 more IAS gives me a 22 frame FoF. If I get up to 7 IAS, that'll also improve me to a 21 frame FoT. Since I max out at 21 total item IAS (24 with enchantress), no further breakpoints are reachable.

If I wanted to give up a mod on my amulet to get EVEN MOAR IAS, I could get up to a total of 28 IAS from items (31 including enchantress). Using just the 4 IAS items will get me to a 20 frame FoF. Throwing the Enchantress on top will give me a 19 Frame FoT as well. However, none of these bonuses provide more damage than the 20% lightning on the amulet would, so this is all moot point.

tl;dr
Assuming you have

• Radiance/Alacrity/Seize the Initiative
• Rainment2
• FD proc
• 10% from paragon

then 0 IAS on items is fine, further breakpoints would be 5 or 7 IAS. No need to go beyond that.

This is without transgression/gogok. I guess if you use those it changes some of the math, but I don't think the bonuses are worth what you give up.

EDIT: uh I guess I was optimizing for APS with FD proc up? But I *should* have been optimizing for APS without FD proc (so that we can maximize FD procs)? Anyway, hopefully the above work is useful for some people, but my tl;dr is probably wrong.

The answer about IAS is indeed when FD procs => you need at least 7% IAS on your gear to reach the last break point (w/o enchantress, tested on d3planner). That represents 1.85 sheet APS. Now with 7% IAS, your FD uptime is about 90% ( see more here http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/15006760733 ). 21% IAS on gear is getting you near 10 APS with WotF (full buffed), then close to 93% FD uptime which is the max we can get.

so 7% IAS is optimal if u cant reach the 24%?
so its 7% total or 7% + 3% from enchantress? (i.e. if i only have one IAS gear with 5% IAS + 3% IAS from enchantress = 8% IAS total. Is that enough?) or do i need a perfect roll 7% IAS on gear+ 3% IAS enchant = 10% IAS to reach 90% FD uptime

Can you roll the +damage from the offhand to get more stats? Like more ias? I knew that on DH you can do it in your offhand when dual xbow but not sure on monks....

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sorry, im a little confused. with enchantress do you still need 7% ias on gear? or would 5% or 6% roll work

or do you mean at least 10% ( 7% max roll on gear + 3% from enchantress?) to reach the 90% uptime?

To put it simply: you need at least 1.85 APS on your sheet, if enchantress helps you reach this point then it's fine

- If you DON'T run with enchantress' buff, then you want at least 7% IAS on your gear
- If you DO, then 5% IAS is enough to reach breakpoint (just tried on d3 planner)
Now don't get me wrong, running %24 IAS on gear is optimal for DPS. I personally don't have the toughness to do that right now, that's why I only take 7% IAS.

Question on a roll.

Got an ancient Fist of legend... but does not have max spirit.

It has DEX, VIT, 8% Damage,

The secondary is a normal one with LOH.

Question is.... Should i put Max Spirit on secondary or roll the 8% dmg to LOH on main stats?

Thanks for the guide Quin!!!

Quin any thoughts on how the build would work with Sage's set for Death's Breaths farming. If you cube RoRG and wear Sage helm and either Sage Boots or gloves you still have R4 bonus and Sage 3. You lose a good bit of damage without Eye of the Storm but at T8 to T10 it shouldn't lower your DPS too much that you wouldn't be able to wreck havoc.

@Deitri

You need string of ears and a melee rift, and you need life per hit. LPH = Vit means you want both on weapon with dex and gift...ie. weapons with Dmg, Dex, Vit, LPH, not CDR, not IAS, not RCR, not +%Damage. Hope this helps.

Monk survivability is all about mitigation and sustainability, ie. reduce a lot of damage, and heal for a lot.

U6 is, however, more focused around avoiding things and popping in and out of combat, whereas this build aims to outheal the damage being done to you (as you need to stay in a single spot for a duration of time to do damage, and hitting things = staying alive with LPH).

Epiphany should not be necessary if you have enough HP (+- 1million) and should only be used when shit gets heavy (orbiters, arcanes, reflect).

Like all builds, to be able to do high level grift you must be able to stay alive and prioritise that over damage if needed.

ie. If you have gloves with no secondary resistance, IAS, CHC, Vit, Dex, rolling a secondary res (keeping vitality) would be more valuable than scrapping vitality for CHD.

Peace from South Africa

PietVanPlaas out.