loot alert?

  • Who has been banned from using this program? I could care less if you "HEARD" someone did or did not. I would like to hear from people who claim they were banned fro musing this program.
  • Third-party software of any kind is not permitted in conjunction with Diablo III. I would highly suggest you check out this blog post for further information.
  • Blizzard's rules on third-party software are pretty straightforward.

    [You will not] Use any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through the Game or the Service, including without limitation any software that reads areas of RAM used by the Game to store information;

    http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/d3_eula.html

    The program in question reads memory to determine when a drop has occurred. Therefore, it's against the rules.

    Multiboxing is different, and is addressed here:
    http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5825582768#15

    And here:
    http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5825582768?page=2#25
  • 03/04/2013 06:51 PMPosted by Zuzax
    Then why doesn't Blizzard just come out and explicitly say that?


    Did you read the Terms of Use? Because it kind of does...

    Blizzard is not in the habit of giving a "yes" or "no" answer to the validity of any particular third party program.

    Why is this, you ask? It's very simple. A program that's fine now might be modified to be not-so-fine later on. Or Blizzard's policy on a program might change over time. Being "on record" as approving (or disapproving) of a particular program could turn into a "BUT YOU SAID IT WAS OKAY" argument. Or worse, some malicious party could distribute trojaned copies of the "sure, it's fine" software - and do Very Bad Things with that.
  • 03/04/2013 07:06 PMPosted by Zuzax
    Please. The standard old CM line of "we can never say anything ever because something might change" still rings hollow even when parroted by an MVP. If things change, then clarify. Take a stand. Defend your product. Tell the people that complain that life changes sometimes.


    Why should they have to waste their time clarifying when they can just give a simple answer and have it always be correct?

    And really... is it THAT hard to read the thread fully?
    03/04/2013 06:18 PMPosted by Pahanda
    The program in question reads memory to determine when a drop has occurred. Therefore, it's against the rules.

    Stand taken. Are you happy now?

    Honestly, it sounds like you're just bound and determined to dislike whatever answer you get. The Terms of Use gives (in this case) the most explicit and straightforward answer - and the only one that really matters, because it's the legal document that Blizzard justifies closing an account for using software like this.
  • 03/04/2013 07:12 PMPosted by Zuzax
    Ok, so if it's in the EULA (which I will admit to not memorizing) then there is even less of a reason for CMs to be evasive. They have it in black and white to answer the questions.


    It's the Terms of Use. It's a legally-binding contract - one which can land you in court for breaking (in extreme circumstances). Are you in the habit of signing contracts without reading them?

    And to answer your second point... some people don't like being pointed to walls of text - which is why Vaeflare linked a blog post which actually explains some of the legalese. (a blog post which was almost certainly reviewed for legal accuracy by Blizzard's team of lawyers, it's worth pointing out)
  • 03/04/2013 07:17 PMPosted by BOSS
    you were warned.. kind of... right?


    You were warned when you first installed the game and read the Terms of Use. Programs which read game memory are explicitly against the rules and have been from the day the game was launched.

    As the saying goes, ignorance of the law is no excuse. Neither is failing to read the laws - particularly when you have to digitally sign an agreement to abide by them before you start playing.
  • 03/04/2013 07:26 PMPosted by BOSS
    THIS coming from a CM not MVP is what I would consider as a SPECIFIC answer to OP's question.


    The reason why we as MVPs can do that is because our answer isn't official - nor will it backfire on Blizzard if things change. If a Blizzard employee does that, it's potentially much worse.

    Again, keep in mind that the Terms of Use explicitly mentions "unauthorized" programs. For a Blizzard employee to give an "okay" to a program could be seen as tantamount to an "authorization". And as previously mentioned, if that program (or one pretending to be it) ever changed into something bad... Blizzard's lawyers might have a tough time justifying closing accounts for using it.

    It's a legal pitfall - and one which I'm fairly confident in saying that the CMs are simply not permitted to go anywhere near.

    tl;dr version - blame the lawyers, not the CMs.
  • You also mention signing a agreement not fact we ticked a box in in fact depending on which country you come from this could be demend to be indirect inform to full discloser ESP. due to age.


    Really... it pays to read the agreements, you know.

    Except as otherwise set forth herein, this License Agreement shall be governed by, and will be construed under, the Laws of the United States of America and the law of the State of Delaware, without regard to choice of law principles. The application of the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods is expressly excluded. For our customers who purchased a license to the Game in, and are a resident of Canada, other laws may apply if you choose not to agree to arbitrate as set forth above; provided, however, that such laws shall affect this Agreement only to the extent required by such jurisdiction. In such a case, this Agreement shall be interpreted to give maximum effect to the terms and conditions hereof. Those who choose to access the Service from locations outside of the United States and Canada do so on their own initiative and are responsible for compliance with local laws if and to the extent local laws are applicable

    http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/d3_eula.html

    US contract law permits digital signatures. And the Battle.net Terms of Use also stipulates that the account is registered to an adult (not a minor) - or an adult must separately accept individual game license terms on behalf of that minor. (and if I recall correctly, an account registered to a minor in that fashion will actually not let a Diablo 3 license be assocated with it)
  • 03/04/2013 07:58 PMPosted by Waycooloz
    Last time I look there were more countrys upon this plant then the good old USA again you need to read more about contract management.


    And you really need to re-read the terms.

    Except as otherwise set forth herein, this License Agreement shall be governed by, and will be construed under, the Laws of the United States of America and the law of the State of Delaware, without regard to choice of law principles.


    US contract law governs the agreement. Guess what that means?

    03/04/2013 07:58 PMPosted by Waycooloz
    Please do more research upon comments before commemting looks very un-professional.


    Not using proper spelling, punctuation, and grammar looks pretty unprofessional, too, you know.