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[Conartist]

What happens if you win a duped item in the AH and didn't know it was duped? Just a thought that came to mind. Some items are obviously duped.

[Jaetch]

Nothing.

I have three people on my friends list with the duped int Echoing Fury (1190 DPS, 89% crit damage, socket). Since the duped EF was priced significantly lower than the majority of comparable items in the AH, they didn't care as long as the stats upped their sheet DPS.

I would've jumped all over the EF, except I realized they were duped and my principles set in, barring me from the buy.

[Encanta]

99% of players would have no idea an item was duped. If someone is selling a godly item for cheap people will buy first. ask questions later.

[Cryomatic]

blizzard dont delete dupes, they only create em.

[Syronicus]

I won't pass up on duped items if they are something that will give me more DPS or EHP. If they are duped, that is not my fault and if the price is right then so be it. Not going to pass up a good deal just because Blizzard won't take them down.

[Nodnarb]

Cryomatic, on 31 January 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

blizzard dont delete dupes, they only create em.

Sad, very sad.  But the fact is no one NO ONE outside of blizzard's employees can prove this one way or the other.  Furthermore, its the reason I feel D3 softcore is destined to fail- RMAH translates to money>skill AND without fiscal competition  greed is the only thing that can kill a Monopoly.

[Bagstone]

I really wonder why they don't apply their "restored items get to be BoA" rule from Asian servers to EU/US. There's no point in restricting this to one region.

[Cryomatic]

Nodnarb, on 31 January 2013 - 04:43 PM, said:

Cryomatic, on 31 January 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

blizzard dont delete dupes, they only create em.

Sad, very sad.  But the fact is no one NO ONE outside of blizzard's employees can prove this one way or the other.  Furthermore, its the reason I feel D3 softcore is destined to fail- RMAH translates to money>skill AND without fiscal competition  greed is the only thing that can kill a Monopoly.

when the gem went down to 5million for radiant, they were being duped....not a single person claimed that they got one deleted, none claimed that they had gear deleted after buying anything.

in TOS there a rules that say that every transaction is final wich is why i believe they didnt been deleted.

for me its more then enough to be an evidence

[Cryomatic]

Bagstone, on 31 January 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

I really wonder why they don't apply their "restored items get to be BoA" rule from Asian servers to EU/US. There's no point in restricting this to one region.

i dont like this concept, it work if you try to abuse the system.

but you get penalized if you get hacked for real and wont penalize the hacker

im sure you would be happy to have every piece of your gear and banked gear being BOA and lose all their value after being hacked

[Jaetch]

Cryomatic, on 31 January 2013 - 05:14 PM, said:

Bagstone, on 31 January 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

I really wonder why they don't apply their "restored items get to be BoA" rule from Asian servers to EU/US. There's no point in restricting this to one region.

i dont like this concept, it work if you try to abuse the system.

but you get penalized if you get hacked for real and wont penalize the hacker

im sure you would be happy to have every piece of your gear and banked gear being BOA and lose all their value after being hacked

Solution: don't get hacked. Let it be a lesson learned.

Edited by Jaetch, 31 January 2013 - 05:24 PM.

[Shinjed]

Jaetch, on 31 January 2013 - 05:24 PM, said:

Cryomatic, on 31 January 2013 - 05:14 PM, said:

Bagstone, on 31 January 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

I really wonder why they don't apply their "restored items get to be BoA" rule from Asian servers to EU/US. There's no point in restricting this to one region.

i dont like this concept, it work if you try to abuse the system.

but you get penalized if you get hacked for real and wont penalize the hacker

im sure you would be happy to have every piece of your gear and banked gear being BOA and lose all their value after being hacked

Solution: don't get hacked. Let it be a lesson learned.

So when a soldier is going out into war and he is worried about his life all you'd say is:
Solution: Don't get shot. Let it be a lesson learned.

Herp derp is herp derp.

[Cryomatic]

Jaetch, on 31 January 2013 - 05:24 PM, said:

Cryomatic, on 31 January 2013 - 05:14 PM, said:

Bagstone, on 31 January 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

I really wonder why they don't apply their "restored items get to be BoA" rule from Asian servers to EU/US. There's no point in restricting this to one region.

i dont like this concept, it work if you try to abuse the system.

but you get penalized if you get hacked for real and wont penalize the hacker

im sure you would be happy to have every piece of your gear and banked gear being BOA and lose all their value after being hacked

Solution: don't get hacked. Let it be a lesson learned.

never been hacked with an authenticator myself but im not talking only for me, im being hypothetical over what can happens and who will pay for what i judge wouldnt be fair.

no boa is > boa solution if blizzard do their job correctly on tracking hacker, and duplicated items.

Edited by Cryomatic, 31 January 2013 - 05:36 PM.

[Syronicus]

Cryomatic, on 31 January 2013 - 05:11 PM, said:

Nodnarb, on 31 January 2013 - 04:43 PM, said:

Cryomatic, on 31 January 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

blizzard dont delete dupes, they only create em.

Sad, very sad.  But the fact is no one NO ONE outside of blizzard's employees can prove this one way or the other.  Furthermore, its the reason I feel D3 softcore is destined to fail- RMAH translates to money>skill AND without fiscal competition  greed is the only thing that can kill a Monopoly.

when the gem went down to 5million for radiant, they were being duped....not a single person claimed that they got one deleted, none claimed that they had gear deleted after buying anything.

in TOS there a rules that say that every transaction is final wich is why i believe they didnt been deleted.

for me its more then enough to be an evidence

I can vouch for that. Trust me when I say this, I bought hundreds of gems back then and am still enjoying the profits. That was a crazy time getting gems for a third of what it took just to create them. Never once did I get a letter from Blizz asking for my gems back...

[Jaetch]

Shinjed, on 31 January 2013 - 05:31 PM, said:

So when a soldier is going out into war and he is worried about his life all you'd say is:
Solution: Don't get shot. Let it be a lesson learned.

Herp derp is herp derp.

Yes. Why would he want to get shot? Don't get shot.

Cryomatic, on 31 January 2013 - 05:32 PM, said:

never been hacked with an authenticator myself but im not talking only for me, im being hypothetical over what can happens and who will pay for what i judge wouldnt be fair.

no boa is > boa solution if blizzard do their job correctly on tracking hacker, and duplicated items.

Whatever Blizzard does to deal with hackers, it will never be enough. The same goes for botting. Technology will keep changing and programmers will always try and find loopholes or ways to break through the walls. When someone gets hacked, honestly, I can't feel bad for hackee. If you got hacked, legitimately or not (if it's a rollback scheme), it's your fault.

How often do you see high-end players get legitimately hacked? "Help, XYZ hacked me, give me my account back, I lost everything." You don't see those, yet don't you think those players are the ones that would likely be targeted for their highly desired gear and gold savings? No, but it's possible some of them intentionally set up rollback dupes, but you don't see them giving out their info for people to hack into their account and jack all their belongings.

That's why the BoA mechanic will be better than no BoA. At least at that point, regardless of the hackee's position, at least one of the item's copies will not be open for additional dupes. You won't see five identical Echoing Furies simultaneously in the AH. Worst comes to worst, it will be one EF and that will be much easier to track if the dupes continue to follow.

The EF I'm talking about: http://www.diablopro...m/item/23976046

Without BoA, how is anyone going to track the origin of the dupes? This particular EF has exchanged hands 13 times (15 characters). Who is the original owner? Who started duping it first? A bunch of these players currently have the EF. Some of them are completely naked now with no items equipped. Fishy, fishy? Again, if every hackee rolls back his/her account and his/her gear becomes BoA, the duping will be less rampant. It won't stop for good, but at least it'll be less worthwhile for the duper/hacker.

Edited by Jaetch, 31 January 2013 - 06:00 PM.

[RMrulz]

Shinjed, on 31 January 2013 - 05:31 PM, said:

Jaetch, on 31 January 2013 - 05:24 PM, said:

Cryomatic, on 31 January 2013 - 05:14 PM, said:

Bagstone, on 31 January 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

I really wonder why they don't apply their "restored items get to be BoA" rule from Asian servers to EU/US. There's no point in restricting this to one region.

i dont like this concept, it work if you try to abuse the system.

but you get penalized if you get hacked for real and wont penalize the hacker

im sure you would be happy to have every piece of your gear and banked gear being BOA and lose all their value after being hacked

Solution: don't get hacked. Let it be a lesson learned.

So when a soldier is going out into war and he is worried about his life all you'd say is:
Solution: Don't get shot. Let it be a lesson learned.

Herp derp is herp derp.

Terrible analogy.  No matter what a soldier does, he still might be shot.

No matter how many illegal, sketchy websites a D3 player visits, if they have an authenticator, they won't get hacked.  No confirmed cases to the contrary have ever been proven, despite the proliferation of liars on the internet.

[Bagstone]

Blizzard restores your items if you get hacked. That's more than you can expect, in my opinion. It's just the items you had on you at the time when you were hacked that are BoA, it doesn't mean that you won't be able to trade anymore in the future, c'mon. If your gear is worth a couple of billions and you get hacked - I'm sorry to say this - it's your fault.

You people don't get that the reason for dupes is exactly Blizzard's customer service being so nice to people who are too stupid to protect their accounts properly. Dupes are just the result of fixing user's mess beyond what they have to offer according to their ToS. Yeah, flame on if you're offended, I don't care. Have fixed too many computers in my life (and traced back at which point the user made a mistake that caused him to get hacked) to feel sorry for people who get hacked. It's usually a lesson for life and once you feel the pain you're more careful next time.

[Cryomatic]

Jaetch, on 31 January 2013 - 05:51 PM, said:

Shinjed, on 31 January 2013 - 05:31 PM, said:

So when a soldier is going out into war and he is worried about his life all you'd say is:
Solution: Don't get shot. Let it be a lesson learned.

Herp derp is herp derp.

Yes. Why would he want to get shot? Don't get shot.

Cryomatic, on 31 January 2013 - 05:32 PM, said:

never been hacked with an authenticator myself but im not talking only for me, im being hypothetical over what can happens and who will pay for what i judge wouldnt be fair.

no boa is > boa solution if blizzard do their job correctly on tracking hacker, and duplicated items.

Whatever Blizzard does to deal with hackers, it will never be enough. The same goes for botting. Technology will keep changing and programmers will always try and find loopholes or ways to break through the walls. When someone gets hacked, honestly, I can't feel bad for hackee. If you got hacked, legitimately or not (if it's a rollback scheme), it's your fault.

How often do you see high-end players get legitimately hacked? "Help, XYZ hacked me, give me my account back, I lost everything." You don't see those, yet don't you think those players are the ones that would likely be targeted for their highly desired gear and gold savings? No, but it's possible some of them intentionally set up rollback dupes, but you don't see them giving out their info for people to hack into their account and jack all their belongings.

That's why the BoA mechanic will be better than no BoA. At least at that point, regardless of the hackee's position, at least one of the item's copies will not be open for additional dupes. You won't see five identical Echoing Furies simultaneously in the AH. Worst comes to worst, it will be one EF and that will be much easier to track if the dupes continue to follow.

the problem wont get fixed with boa either way.....there is still 2 copy of it in game....nothing fixxed and only the account owner rollback is penalized not the other person who went away with the original item....the only way to fix it fair is to NEVER ever restore any item without deleting the Source.

[RMrulz]

Bagstone, on 31 January 2013 - 05:52 PM, said:

Blizzard restores your items if you get hacked. That's more than you can expect, in my opinion. It's just the items you had on you at the time when you were hacked that are BoA, it doesn't mean that you won't be able to trade anymore in the future, c'mon. If your gear is worth a couple of billions and you get hacked - I'm sorry to say this - it's your fault.

You people don't get that the reason for dupes is exactly Blizzard's customer service being so nice to people who are too stupid to protect their accounts properly. Dupes are just the result of fixing user's mess beyond what they have to offer according to their ToS. Yeah, flame on if you're offended, I don't care. Have fixed too many computers in my life (and traced back at which point the user made a mistake that caused him to get hacked) to feel sorry for people who get hacked. It's usually a lesson for life and once you feel the pain you're more careful next time.

From the perspective of somebody who doesn't visit any obvious problem sites or click on any obviously fishy links, and thus believed authenticators were for obsessive worriers, and then got hacked, and then grew up and got an authenticator...

Agreed, and +1.

[Cryomatic]

Bagstone, on 31 January 2013 - 05:52 PM, said:

Blizzard restores your items if you get hacked. That's more than you can expect, in my opinion. It's just the items you had on you at the time when you were hacked that are BoA, it doesn't mean that you won't be able to trade anymore in the future, c'mon. If your gear is worth a couple of billions and you get hacked - I'm sorry to say this - it's your fault.

You people don't get that the reason for dupes is exactly Blizzard's customer service being so nice to people who are too stupid to protect their accounts properly. Dupes are just the result of fixing user's mess beyond what they have to offer according to their ToS. Yeah, flame on if you're offended, I don't care. Have fixed too many computers in my life (and traced back at which point the user made a mistake that caused him to get hacked) to feel sorry for people who get hacked. It's usually a lesson for life and once you feel the pain you're more careful next time.

the solution is the problem here, they restore without deleting the source.....they been exploited for doing it bad....their fault ....not mines. they want to bring boa because they been exploited...but once again ......they arent doing it right....and someone will pay for it in a way or another at some point

[Bagstone]

RMrulz, on 31 January 2013 - 05:52 PM, said:

No matter how many illegal, sketchy websites a D3 player visits, if they have an authenticator, they won't get hacked.  No confirmed cases to the contrary have ever been proven, despite the proliferation of liars on the internet.

There are actually reports of people who got hacked despite having an authenticator. Don't ask me why. In general no protection, no cryptography algorithm, no system-enforced security measures can prevent accounts from getting hacked if the user is stupid enough. I was LMAO when someone wrote recently "I logged in from Vegas"... well, there was no context given, but (I've never been there, so excuse my stereotypes) when I think of Vegas I think of drunk people doing stupid stuff (yeah, pretty much like Hangover). I would get a physical authenticator and leave it at home, together with all my laptops, computers and so on. But never ever log in to my game account (given it has a specific value for me) if I'm at a place where I'm supposedly drunk 24/7.

Besides getting an authenticator you should use an email address that you use only for your B.Net account. Just create a new GMail address that you use as login, you can change the email afterwards in your account settings. If someone hacks your computer/GMail/... they still don't have access to your B.Net account. The weak spot is not only the password, but often the "forgot password" security question.