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[ogeishere]

Hey guys,

After nearly a month of constant testing and statistical analysis (I logged all my runs in each specific area in act 3 - exp, time, and elites). I used these stats to build the most effecient run possible. After testing and tweaking the run, I compared it to the all famous Alkaizer run. The outcome was the same every run: Around 20% on average more exp per hour then doing the classic Alkaizer run (Which I also ran through quite thoroughly and in the same fashion). Check out my short video, which I explain the run and share some of my findings. Feedback would be awesome!! Cheers guys!

ps. 20% of 10 billion xp (Paragon 100) is alot of hours of grinding act 3... Just sayin' -hehe.

The Raoha Route:

Edited by ogeishere, 02 January 2013 - 12:06 PM.

[Mob_Dylan]

Thanks for that.

[Kodaijin]

Close to what I was doing but not entirely. Thanks for the tips ;p

[seraphim4]

70m xp/h aint bad, i roll a ww barb and i think i was around 80m, but ive got abit over twice your dps as well so i was able to roll higher mp.

[Pherce]

Skycrown first to get stacks is a nice change. Too many times I've done core > tower 1 and only had a 2-3 stacks. No matter where I went after that, I would be wasting xp due to not enough stacks.

[DiabloHern]

Awesome thanks for posting this it really is what I was what I have been looking for, for about a week or two now.
Few questions you can maybe answer that is making my brain hurt here.

1. Why use a leorics ring? Hellfire ring would give more xp AND godly stats. I understand the SOJ but leorics?!

2. Cull the Weak? Damage slowed enemies for 15% more damage. With the current build I do not see how the enemies would eve get slowed unless I am not able to see your gear slows them?

If you can let me know on these two questions it would really help me out. I have a little different gear but everything seems to be working out pretty good still. Here is my gear and setup if you, or anyone could check it and make suggestions that would be great!

http://us.battle.net...2/hero/20714429

[baron01]

To the OP and the path:
I doubt that Rakkis is anywhere close to Keep2, Arreat Crater 2 or even Fields of Slaughter. Also, Core of Arreat is so extremely fast that even if it has little white mobs the chance to encounter elites and goblin should easily compensate for it.
Tower of the Damned should be done anticlockwise because that let you check the area close to exit for elite without actually going there blindly.

DiabloHern, on 31 December 2012 - 08:26 AM, said:

1. Why use a leorics ring? Hellfire ring would give more xp AND godly stats. I understand the SOJ but leorics?!

2. Cull the Weak? Damage slowed enemies for 15% more damage. With the current build I do not see how the enemies would eve get slowed unless I am not able to see your gear slows them?

I cant help with first question because even very badly rolled Hellfire ring is better than Leoric's Signet so it must be something else. Answer to your second question is SoJ ring, which have cold damage on it. This means that every attack slows enemies and since the slow is applied on each shot before the damage calculation the bonus from Cull the Weak passive is always added to the shot damage, even the first to hit the monster.
I would also question effectiveness of SOJ on MP0 EXp farming runs. Main benefit of the ring is the extra damage to elites in conjunction with helpful DH skill bonus and cold damage. The fact you spend so little time on elites diminish its usefulness in my view--it is definitely good choice for high MP and uber bosses, where it shines.

[Huminator]

Thats almost like the one run i do on my WD.

Skycrown > tower of damned > crater 2 > fields of slaughter > dephs lvl 2 and that gives me around 80-85m xp/hour as a witch doctor.

I use Leoric's Signet & Hellfire ring.
My follower also use a Leoric's Signet & Hellfire ring

Edited by Huminator, 31 December 2012 - 11:00 AM.

[Raknar]

I am really interested in your spreadsheet numbers, because the video (i watched it) is your usual blabla talk..

The runs you did are totally inefficient and there isnt even a video proof for the 70mil XP/hour


regards =)


edit: huminator, give me your leorics instead of your follower!

Edited by Raknar, 31 December 2012 - 11:06 AM.

[ot4ku]

Is there any specific reason why you go crater last?
Because there is a chance for a shrine at the end of crater - which would be quite wasted.
I would rather go Keep 2 last.

[XavionDK]

I was just about to ask, if you can't just equip both a Hellfire ring and a Leorics signet?

[Bagstone]

Can anyone put the path in text form? Just summarize it? Can't watch video right now. (Hell, we should have another sub-forum for video blurbs)

baron01, on 31 December 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

To the OP and the path:
I doubt that Rakkis is anywhere close to Keep2, Arreat Crater 2 or even Fields of Slaughter. Also, Core of Arreat is so extremely fast that even if it has little white mobs the chance to encounter elites and goblin should easily compensate for it.
Tower of the Damned should be done anticlockwise because that let you check the area close to exit for elite without actually going there blindly.

Rakkis doesn't have the mob density of Crater 2, but it's more "constant" and thus my Archon never wears off when running Rakkis. In Crater 2 you can run out of mobs and end up having 1 minute cooldown on Archon, so at least for wizards Rakkis is 2nd best after Keep 2. I really like Fields, but they're definitely worse than Rakkis.

Totally agree to Tower though - should be done counter clockwise.

[ogeishere]

DiabloHern, on 31 December 2012 - 08:26 AM, said:

Awesome thanks for posting this it really is what I was what I have been looking for, for about a week or two now.
Few questions you can maybe answer that is making my brain hurt here.

1. Why use a leorics ring? Hellfire ring would give more xp AND godly stats. I understand the SOJ but leorics?!

2. Cull the Weak? Damage slowed enemies for 15% more damage. With the current build I do not see how the enemies would eve get slowed unless I am not able to see your gear slows them?

If you can let me know on these two questions it would really help me out. I have a little different gear but everything seems to be working out pretty good still. Here is my gear and setup if you, or anyone could check it and make suggestions that would be great!

http://us.battle.net...2/hero/20714429

1- TBH I got lazy and just decided to dish out the gold on a leoric's rather then Hellfire. I can already one shot most, so I figured it wouldn't save me THAT much time. I probably will snatch one up asap though!
2- I am using a cold SOJ and cold dmg slows enemies as long as you are using a physical attack and your weapon does physical damage (which iis why im not using a manticore, as it does poison dmg). Cull of the weak actually works on the FIRST hit with cold dmg, so essentially im doing 15% more dmg.

Cheers man! glad your enjoying the run!

[ogeishere]

XavionDK, on 31 December 2012 - 12:55 PM, said:

I was just about to ask, if you can't just equip both a Hellfire ring and a Leorics signet?

you can equip both. But I use the Soj for the cold dmg (cull of the weak bonus) and the dmg to elites, which is OP.

[ogeishere]

Raknar, on 31 December 2012 - 11:05 AM, said:

I am really interested in your spreadsheet numbers, because the video (i watched it) is your usual blabla talk..

The runs you did are totally inefficient and there isnt even a video proof for the 70mil XP/hour


regards =)


edit: huminator, give me your leorics instead of your follower!

Normally I would love to share my logs... Maybe if you had some decent manners. On the more positive side, you should try it out yourself if your are in disbelief, as the run only takes around 15 minutes

[RMrulz]

ogeishere, on 31 December 2012 - 05:29 PM, said:

Raknar, on 31 December 2012 - 11:05 AM, said:

I am really interested in your spreadsheet numbers, because the video (i watched it) is your usual blabla talk..

The runs you did are totally inefficient and there isnt even a video proof for the 70mil XP/hour


regards =)


edit: huminator, give me your leorics instead of your follower!

Normally I would love to share my logs... Maybe if you had some decent manners. On the more positive side, you should try it out yourself if your are in disbelief, as the run only takes around 15 minutes

I have no idea if your run is really as efficient as you claim, mostly because I do not care about maximizing efficiency so am generally quite slow at paragon leveling.  But I would just like to point out that using manners as an excuse for not sharing your actual data sounds like a giant turd of an excuse to me.  If you really discovered what you claim might be the fastest possible leveling run in the game, you should be so excited about it and so interested in claiming full credit for it that you WANT to share all your data to prove how awesome you really are.  I'm pretty damn skeptical after seeing this post...

[DesmondTiny]

Cool vid I'll have to try this out!

[vastling]

Some of us don't have video availability at work when we read the forums

if you could give a summary of what your trying to do it is a lot easier for us then trying to piece together what your doing from other posts.

If your run takes you 15 minutes it is probably slow.

When I was doing calculations I was doing it on the speed that it took me to clear a zone and the number of legendaries I got from the zone out of 100 runs to get a ball park on if it was useful or not.

I then optomized based on legendary drops vs time, which is not the same as xp.

I then can run basically any of the waypoints to compare it vs the benchmark numbers relatively quickly.

Or try other zones like vota but so far the modified alkaizer route with rakkis and keep 3 is the best I've encountered.

I do stonefort just for the key but its not faster, I've done skycrown before but it was inconsistent for the run times and with some dead space can lead to wotb down time

[ogeishere]

vastling, on 31 December 2012 - 06:27 PM, said:

Some of us don't have video availability at work when we read the forums

if you could give a summary of what your trying to do it is a lot easier for us then trying to piece together what your doing from other posts.

If your run takes you 15 minutes it is probably slow.

When I was doing calculations I was doing it on the speed that it took me to clear a zone and the number of legendaries I got from the zone out of 100 runs to get a ball park on if it was useful or not.

I then optomized based on legendary drops vs time, which is not the same as xp.

I then can run basically any of the waypoints to compare it vs the benchmark numbers relatively quickly.

Or try other zones like vota but so far the modified alkaizer route with rakkis and keep 3 is the best I've encountered.

I do stonefort just for the key but its not faster, I've done skycrown before but it was inconsistent for the run times and with some dead space can lead to wotb down time

• Waypoint to Stonefort Take the Door, Run Skycrown Battlements to End, Teleport to Town
  
• Wayport to Tower of the Damned Level 1, Run the Circle
  
• Wayport to Keep Depths 1, Enter Keep Depths 2, Teleport out at The Breach
  
• Wayport to Rakkis Crossing, Run the Fields of Slaughter, Wayport to Arreat Crater Level 2
  
• Run Arreat Crater Level 2
  
• Restart

It takes me a little under 12 to do the entire run on average. This run is specifically made for xp/hour and not loot, although if you add the core and the caverns of frost in the fields of slaughter, it will be perfect for loot, as those two zones are extremely high in elites, but they will drop your exp/hour.

skycrown is actually just as xp dense as FoS and ToTd, and it also has a much higher elites/min and total elites then all of the top zones. so it is perfect to start a run with, as you get a quick 4-5 stacks without xp loss on the higher dense zones.

[JKlimek]

so wait, your whole strategy to save 20% time is to change where you get your stacks?  Why didn't you say "do alkaisers but start at stonefort and run backwards instead of core of arreat"... then your video could have been 7 mins shorter.

Am I missing something?

(edit) did miss the bridge before fields of slaughter

Edited by JKlimek, 31 December 2012 - 07:35 PM.