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[Deventh]

overneathe, on 29 December 2012 - 09:19 AM, said:

Azidonis, on 29 December 2012 - 07:35 AM, said:

I'm an "actual D2 player" - played D1 and D2 for many since their releases, and am in my 30s...

...and I think that D3 is technologically a step up from both games. But gameplay, no. It might beat D1 but doesn't come close to D2, in my opinion. D2 wasn't boring to me either, even before LoD.

And the story of D3 is just total shit. I could have written a better story putting a marker in-between my toes and spinning around on a large roll of wax paper completely drunk off my ass... and that's if you read it with the vomit still on the pages. The story is absolute trash.

And Diablo's voiceover is just completely terrible. People may say, "Oh, it' just a voiceover," but when you spent over a decade opening the seals of Chaos Sanctuary to hear the chilling, "Not even death can save you from me," the Diablo voiceover from D3 just doesn't cut it.

Let me not fail to at least mention the disaster that is itemization in D3.

I agree with your story assessment, but in terms of mechanics let's wait 3 years and see how well Diablo 3 evolves and then measure it against what the developers managed to do with Diablo 2 and its expansion. One reason for that: what most of us remember is _after_ all the glorious changes to Diablo 2 and we've mostly played the almost finished game for many, many years.

Diablo 2 was/is a beast since it was released.

[Zeel]

Fura, on 30 December 2012 - 05:13 AM, said:

I wanted to quote on a lot of things, but will limit myself to one

overneathe, on 29 December 2012 - 09:19 AM, said:

I agree with your story assessment, but in terms of mechanics let's wait 3 years and see how well Diablo 3 evolves and then measure it against what the developers managed to do with Diablo 2 and its expansion. One reason for that: what most of us remember is _after_ all the glorious changes to Diablo 2 and we've mostly played the almost finished game for many, many years.

Great! Can i have my money back then? I'll pay them back in 3 years, you can even freeze or delete my characters
It's Blizzards fault for trying to develop a new bicicle and its really not my issue if they keep stumbling on same rocks all over again. All i wanted was Diablo 3, not an Auction House simulator with RPG elements.



In general, everything in D3 is built around monetizing. Even DRM is there to FORCE you to interact with Auction House. Each action, like nerfing and buffing, forces you to interact with AH. If you're interacting with AH, chances are, you will eventually join RMAH ranks.

I dont know why ppl are all acting as if spending some extra money on a game beyond buying it is the deadliest sin known to man with how many other games are doing it. Personally I have both made money of the RMAH and spent money on it and the way the game is now there is no way you would need to pay to play in any sense of the word.

Before farming pre paragon and nerfs  was frustrating as fuck as the items dident quiet exsist back then for the average player now you just get 5 - 10mil and you can get a pretty decent toon that can at least do MP 1-2 and actually kill stuff without getting butt raped a´la corpse run to kill.

If ppl are honest with themselfs atm the only reason someone uses the RMAH now is to buy that one imba item that just make their farming easier or just to make dat deeeeeeeeeeeeeeps on their character sheet look "better" not because they cant farm A3 without investing in the RMAH like it was before because you were sick of diying, yes farming can be extremly frustrating never getting a item for yourself I know as well as anyone else here having personally sunk about 800 hours across my characters.

I personally LOVE the AH a place where you cant get scammed ? thank you! You do not need to be on the AH to trade just join your local trade chat and trade there instead, just be prepared to get ppl who either want to try to scam you or try to rip you off aka trying to buy cheap so they can sell for more. And for ppl who think AH is crap and that if you get scammed when not on AH that it´s your own fault I say why should I have to even think when trading with someone weather or not that persons intentions are good or not I don´t want to have to think about such things I simply just wish to have a good time when I game that is all. There is no way I would ever want it like it was in D2 where getting scammed was something you had to think about when trading with someone.

AS for the itemization I do agree having played Torchlight 2 that D3 still a lot to improve and change before it becomes any good, I still feel as well as there is still no incentive to play with anyone and that most of the time ppl are more likely to drag you down or be of no use when you play with them unless you are going to do hig MP lvl ubers.

Edited by Zeel, 30 December 2012 - 07:49 AM.

[Fura]

Zeel, on 30 December 2012 - 07:46 AM, said:

I dont know why ppl are all acting as if spending some extra money on a game beyond buying it is the deadliest sin known to man with how many other games are doing it. Personally I have both made money of the RMAH and spent money on it and the way the game is now there is no way you would need to pay to play in any sense of the word.

Thanks! I hoped somebody would respond with that.

Thing is, i have no problem with that, heck i bought a SLR camera for ~500 bucks, i rarely use. I buy a lot of "trinkets" i don't even need, like Neocube and etc.

The problem I have is Blizzards attitude. And not Blizzards, but a lot of companies have this "cancer".

Imagine buying a car for 100k $, and the manufacturer says, "Sorry we forgot to add brakes and tires, it will take about 2 months for us to fix this issue". After 5 months, they are like "Yeah... remember those tires?.. Turns out, we forgot to add engine... No worries, we will fix it in 5 months". After two years "Hello! Your car is prepared for use! By the way, are you interested in Steering Wheel for just 25k $?".

Being charged full price for half assed application, that takes another 3 years to finish... yeah right.

But as i said, Blizzard is not the only company that follows this "Business model".
And i don't even want to go over Mass Effect 3 shit :X

[Nymrael]

Fura, on 30 December 2012 - 10:41 AM, said:

Zeel, on 30 December 2012 - 07:46 AM, said:

I dont know why ppl are all acting as if spending some extra money on a game beyond buying it is the deadliest sin known to man with how many other games are doing it. Personally I have both made money of the RMAH and spent money on it and the way the game is now there is no way you would need to pay to play in any sense of the word.

Thanks! I hoped somebody would respond with that.

Thing is, i have no problem with that, heck i bought a SLR camera for ~500 bucks, i rarely use. I buy a lot of "trinkets" i don't even need, like Neocube and etc.

The problem I have is Blizzards attitude. And not Blizzards, but a lot of companies have this "cancer".

Imagine buying a car for 100k $, and the manufacturer says, "Sorry we forgot to add brakes and tires, it will take about 2 months for us to fix this issue". After 5 months, they are like "Yeah... remember those tires?.. Turns out, we forgot to add engine... No worries, we will fix it in 5 months". After two years "Hello! Your car is prepared for use! By the way, are you interested in Steering Wheel for just 25k $?".

Being charged full price for half assed application, that takes another 3 years to finish... yeah right.

But as i said, Blizzard is not the only company that follows this "Business model".
And i don't even want to go over Mass Effect 3 shit :X

The car example is epic fail
The car can't actually *run* w/o engine // tyres // brakes. Diablo on the other hand is a game running smoothly.
The absence of pvp is not essential for the game. it is a feature that SHOULD be there (and I say *should* because it was advertised - I don't give a s**t about pvp personally) and it is not.
If you want to to do an example with a car, let's say your new car is missing ... uhm ... a sound system. Not essential for running but i would be slightly pissed if there wasn't one.

[Indimix]

Zeel, on 30 December 2012 - 07:46 AM, said:

Fura, on 30 December 2012 - 05:13 AM, said:

I wanted to quote on a lot of things, but will limit myself to one

overneathe, on 29 December 2012 - 09:19 AM, said:

I agree with your story assessment, but in terms of mechanics let's wait 3 years and see how well Diablo 3 evolves and then measure it against what the developers managed to do with Diablo 2 and its expansion. One reason for that: what most of us remember is _after_ all the glorious changes to Diablo 2 and we've mostly played the almost finished game for many, many years.

Great! Can i have my money back then? I'll pay them back in 3 years, you can even freeze or delete my characters
It's Blizzards fault for trying to develop a new bicicle and its really not my issue if they keep stumbling on same rocks all over again. All i wanted was Diablo 3, not an Auction House simulator with RPG elements.



In general, everything in D3 is built around monetizing. Even DRM is there to FORCE you to interact with Auction House. Each action, like nerfing and buffing, forces you to interact with AH. If you're interacting with AH, chances are, you will eventually join RMAH ranks.

I dont know why ppl are all acting as if spending some extra money on a game beyond buying it is the deadliest sin known to man with how many other games are doing it. Personally I have both made money of the RMAH and spent money on it and the way the game is now there is no way you would need to pay to play in any sense of the word.

Before farming pre paragon and nerfs  was frustrating as fuck as the items dident quiet exsist back then for the average player now you just get 5 - 10mil and you can get a pretty decent toon that can at least do MP 1-2 and actually kill stuff without getting butt raped a´la corpse run to kill.

If ppl are honest with themselfs atm the only reason someone uses the RMAH now is to buy that one imba item that just make their farming easier or just to make dat deeeeeeeeeeeeeeps on their character sheet look "better" not because they cant farm A3 without investing in the RMAH like it was before because you were sick of diying, yes farming can be extremly frustrating never getting a item for yourself I know as well as anyone else here having personally sunk about 800 hours across my characters.

I personally LOVE the AH a place where you cant get scammed ? thank you! You do not need to be on the AH to trade just join your local trade chat and trade there instead, just be prepared to get ppl who either want to try to scam you or try to rip you off aka trying to buy cheap so they can sell for more. And for ppl who think AH is crap and that if you get scammed when not on AH that it´s your own fault I say why should I have to even think when trading with someone weather or not that persons intentions are good or not I don´t want to have to think about such things I simply just wish to have a good time when I game that is all. There is no way I would ever want it like it was in D2 where getting scammed was something you had to think about when trading with someone.

AS for the itemization I do agree having played Torchlight 2 that D3 still a lot to improve and change before it becomes any good, I still feel as well as there is still no incentive to play with anyone and that most of the time ppl are more likely to drag you down or be of no use when you play with them unless you are going to do hig MP lvl ubers.

The problem is not to use the RMAH or not, is the effect on the gameplay.

See, if Blizzard ever implements a well thought blacksmith, that would reduce the necessity of using the AH (RM or not), then it's just not possible, because, the rule number 1 is: maximize profit.

I just gave you one example, but there are tons. Why do you think that the only aspect customizable of your character are the items?, coincidence?, no, profit. Blizzard cant allow to have any other kind of customization (let say, skills) because that would reduce the need of using the AH -> lower revenue -> no-no.

See how the "you don't need to use the AH" is not really about the AH?.

[Litheum]

Indimix, on 30 December 2012 - 03:40 PM, said:

Zeel, on 30 December 2012 - 07:46 AM, said:

Fura, on 30 December 2012 - 05:13 AM, said:

I wanted to quote on a lot of things, but will limit myself to one

overneathe, on 29 December 2012 - 09:19 AM, said:

I agree with your story assessment, but in terms of mechanics let's wait 3 years and see how well Diablo 3 evolves and then measure it against what the developers managed to do with Diablo 2 and its expansion. One reason for that: what most of us remember is _after_ all the glorious changes to Diablo 2 and we've mostly played the almost finished game for many, many years.

Great! Can i have my money back then? I'll pay them back in 3 years, you can even freeze or delete my characters
It's Blizzards fault for trying to develop a new bicicle and its really not my issue if they keep stumbling on same rocks all over again. All i wanted was Diablo 3, not an Auction House simulator with RPG elements.



In general, everything in D3 is built around monetizing. Even DRM is there to FORCE you to interact with Auction House. Each action, like nerfing and buffing, forces you to interact with AH. If you're interacting with AH, chances are, you will eventually join RMAH ranks.

I dont know why ppl are all acting as if spending some extra money on a game beyond buying it is the deadliest sin known to man with how many other games are doing it. Personally I have both made money of the RMAH and spent money on it and the way the game is now there is no way you would need to pay to play in any sense of the word.

Before farming pre paragon and nerfs  was frustrating as fuck as the items dident quiet exsist back then for the average player now you just get 5 - 10mil and you can get a pretty decent toon that can at least do MP 1-2 and actually kill stuff without getting butt raped a´la corpse run to kill.

If ppl are honest with themselfs atm the only reason someone uses the RMAH now is to buy that one imba item that just make their farming easier or just to make dat deeeeeeeeeeeeeeps on their character sheet look "better" not because they cant farm A3 without investing in the RMAH like it was before because you were sick of diying, yes farming can be extremly frustrating never getting a item for yourself I know as well as anyone else here having personally sunk about 800 hours across my characters.

I personally LOVE the AH a place where you cant get scammed ? thank you! You do not need to be on the AH to trade just join your local trade chat and trade there instead, just be prepared to get ppl who either want to try to scam you or try to rip you off aka trying to buy cheap so they can sell for more. And for ppl who think AH is crap and that if you get scammed when not on AH that it´s your own fault I say why should I have to even think when trading with someone weather or not that persons intentions are good or not I don´t want to have to think about such things I simply just wish to have a good time when I game that is all. There is no way I would ever want it like it was in D2 where getting scammed was something you had to think about when trading with someone.

AS for the itemization I do agree having played Torchlight 2 that D3 still a lot to improve and change before it becomes any good, I still feel as well as there is still no incentive to play with anyone and that most of the time ppl are more likely to drag you down or be of no use when you play with them unless you are going to do hig MP lvl ubers.

The problem is not to use the RMAH or not, is the effect on the gameplay.

See, if Blizzard ever implements a well thought blacksmith, that would reduce the necessity of using the AH (RM or not), then it's just not possible, because, the rule number 1 is: maximize profit.

I just gave you one example, but there are tons. Why do you think that the only aspect customizable of your character are the items?, coincidence?, no, profit. Blizzard cant allow to have any other kind of customization (let say, skills) because that would reduce the need of using the AH -> lower revenue -> no-no.

See how the "you don't need to use the AH" is not really about the AH?.

I don't know how true this is, but it feels like it. It's easy for people to say "just don't use the AH! It's fun!", but to me thats just playing a fake game mode to try and make the game fun, like the guy who went and counted all the corpses in every area.....I bet that was fun for him, but not sure would work for everyone.....

If I said....."dude stop complaining, the games great, go count corpses!! it's fun!!!" I'm pretty sure thats not the same as saying the game design is great. I don't even think the time invested to get a decent item is that bad, it's all the garbage items you get along the way. I just want 1/10th the items, but 10 times the quality of drops. They could easily do this by removing some garbage stats (individual resits, HP globes etc.) and not letting more then 1 primary roll. About 1 in 10 instead of 1 in 100......but get 10 items in the time it took to get 100 before. Same number of decent items, less time unIDing trash.

[Indimix]

I completely agree, reducing the amount of rares that drop but increasing their quality, would be a really nice improve in the quality of life of this game.

[Jamoose]

Indimix, on 30 December 2012 - 04:06 PM, said:

I completely agree, reducing the amount of rares that drop but increasing their quality, would be a really nice improve in the quality of life of this game.

I think they should also do that for legendaries. I mean, what the hell, i had like a thousand Frostburn gloves drop and 100% crap xD

Edited by Jamoose, 30 December 2012 - 04:31 PM.

[overneathe]

Just squeezing in to say I agree with both above statements. Bigger rarity is almost always a welcome change in an oversatiated environment. At least for balance.

[Fura]

Nymrael, on 30 December 2012 - 11:56 AM, said:

The car example is epic fail
The car can't actually *run* w/o engine // tyres // brakes. Diablo on the other hand is a game running smoothly.
The absence of pvp is not essential for the game. it is a feature that SHOULD be there (and I say *should* because it was advertised - I don't give a s**t about pvp personally) and it is not.
If you want to to do an example with a car, let's say your new car is missing ... uhm ... a sound system. Not essential for running but i would be slightly pissed if there wasn't one.

You used the right word "IS"... after N fixes, hotfixes and hell knows what....

Edited by Fura, 30 December 2012 - 05:12 PM.

[Indimix]

And on top of that, add 50% increase mob density in acts 1 and 2 and 100% in act 4 and you got almost a new game in your hands...

But no... sigh.

[yoshiboi]

overneathe, on 29 December 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

whippingstar, on 29 December 2012 - 10:29 AM, said:

This would be great, except that Diablo I or II didn't ship with such fundamental itemization flaws and a resulting lack of gameplay depth. D3 is over-simplified to the extreme. Waiting three years for PvP is fine, but waiting for changes that make a game about item farming about item farming and not farming for gold is too long.

I'm glad to see them step back from PvP in the hopes that they start working on the underlying issues that are currently plaguing the game.

It is completely normal for a game company to casualize their game in order to bring in better profits. In fact, right now, mostly the casuals are keeping this game alive and going, while the "hardcore old school players" go around forums complaining it didn't live up to expectations after spending 500+ hours on it. It if wasn't for the huge sales that even Blizzard couldn't predict themselves the dev team would likely be even smaller with people being assigned to other projects leaving the future of Diablo to a handful of devs. Yes, RMAH brings profits but I suspect they're about as much as keeping the servers up. Yes, the servers that are running for free without needing subscriptions to play the game while keeping the "paying" RMAH usage completely optional for the players.

And Diablo 2 didn't have problems? The first several patches were only bugfixes and they were going out for months. Huge exploits and game breakers and the like. I understand you don't remember those. It's been 11 years. In fact here it is: all patches up to patch 1.07 were in their majority bug fixes, equally split between minor and major bugs. 1.07 was the first proper balance patch. And yes, that was the version that the expansion came with. Which means there wasn't a single worth mentioning balance patch up until the expansion. And don't tell me that it was because "balance was simply fine" at the start. We both know that's bullshit. Not to mention how far less theorycrafting there was in gaming in general 11 years ago.

Only 1.04 brought some quality of life things but they can't even start to compare to super major features that we've seen for D3 so far, like Monster Power (which isn't a simple /player X command), Uber bosses, Paragon leveling, huge overhaul of legendary items and so on. So far all patch notes apart from 1.0.6 have been enormous.

I understand itemization is an issue for a lot of people but I suspect Blizzard is aware of this because of the, oh, just a few million topics posted about it every week. But do you expect such a major change to be fixed in a few months WHILE developing all the other features? How many people do you think work on this game? Because in my opinion it's no more than 20-25. And would've you been happier to see no major additions to the game while the devs toil away at fixing the itemization for a few months, knowing now that the player base is not happy with them?

Sure, people now will jump up and say "well this shit could've just been released this way instead of having to fix it post-launch". Of course they have, but they didn't. They've admitted the launch could've been handled better and we'll see if they've learned their lesson with the expansion release, but now no one has connection issues apart from their own ISPs' fault. They've admitted legendary items sucked majorly at launch and they fixed those. There were exploits and dupes and they've been working hard on them if you follow the news. Botters are being banned in major waves where the entire forums of said bot communities right now are saying they've been banned and complaining that they were "guaranteed" to never be by the bot creator. The end game was not enough at start and now we have a good amount of things to do end game with MP, ubers and paragon. Can there be more? Absolutely definitely. But these were additions that could be developed in a short amount of time and they were. Larger scale things require more development and I'm sure we'll see plenty of those in the coming months.

Now. If you want to complain that D2 was better in my eyes your arguments are beyond false. If you _truly_ believe that then I suggest you go play D2 because Diablo 3 will _never_ be its predecessor and you will _never_ be happy with it. That's how video games work. If you want to complain that Torchlight 2 and/or Path of Exile are better games then what the hell are you doing here? Why cause he commotion? Why be unhappy? Go play those games, no one is stopping you. Go be happy somewhere else if you're not over here. For the money people have invested in this game they've gotten  hundreds of hours of gameplay, when the average for video games nowadays is 40, sometimes down to 20, for the same price. If the journey so far has really been that poor for you then do yourself a favor and just go be happy somewhere else.

p.s. the majority of this wasn't targeted at you Nymrael. Mainly just things plaguing me for a while. I suspect I'll have to make a few more of these posts in the near future of course but this seems like a good start.

I love how some people are idiots but try to sound smart...........The Diablo games are a series. Diablo 3 follows up on Diablo 2. Blizzard had YEARS to develop Diablo 3. How the hell is it possible Diablo 2 is still a better game? Yes Diablo 2 took years of patching to improve......but Blizzard has had years before releasing D3. Diablo 3 is a huge slap to the Diablo series face!

It's not a question about what aspects of the game I do and do not like.......Diablo 3 has no end-game content. Diablo 3 is ridiculously easy. Diablo 3 falsly advertisded about PvP.

Sure it's a game so lets move on.....just a shame Blizzard gave up. The only proof that this game is dying will be on expansion release. We will be able to compare with sales.....my guess is they will sell a fraction of what Diablo 3 has sold. GG

[Indimix]

They are not incompetents, no one can be that incompetent. It's a business model.

[Mortai]

Diablo 3 has huge potential, imo, I can see it and feel it and play some if it as I play (or as I played, I don't anymore, because I think it's kinda bad). But its potential is not realized. It's a rock on top of a hill.

Lots of potential. Needs more (1/2)mv^2

[maka]

overneathe, on 29 December 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

It is completely normal for a game company to casualize their game in order to bring in better profits.
In fact, right now, mostly the casuals are keeping this game alive and going, while the "hardcore old school players" go around forums complaining it didn't live up to expectations after spending 500+ hours on it. It if wasn't for the huge sales that even Blizzard couldn't predict themselves the dev team would likely be even smaller with people being assigned to other projects leaving the future of Diablo to a handful of devs. Yes, RMAH brings profits but I suspect they're about as much as keeping the servers up. Yes, the servers that are running for free without needing subscriptions to play the game while keeping the "paying" RMAH usage completely optional for the players.

It might be 'common', but it certainly isn't 'normal'. And the only reason that " the "hardcore old school players" go around forums complaining it didn't live up to expectations after spending 500+ hours on it", as you say, is because, well, the game didn't live up to the expectations of (some) veterans of the series. I mean, you yourself said it, 'casuals' are the ones mostly playing this game. More often than not, this means people that haven't played the previous games. Are you telling me this fact means nothing to you?
Also, they're the ones that decided to make the game online-only. Maybe they should've thought about what this would do to the game and the community, instead of worrying about paying for the servers.
Oh, thank you Blizzard for turning an offline-possible game into an online-only game and not charging me directly for the servers. Thank you so much.

overneathe, on 29 December 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

And Diablo 2 didn't have problems? The first several patches were only bugfixes and they were going out for months. Huge exploits and game breakers and the like. I understand you don't remember those. It's been 11 years. In fact here it is: all patches up to patch 1.07 were in their majority bug fixes, equally split between minor and major bugs. 1.07 was the first proper balance patch. And yes, that was the version that the expansion came with. Which means there wasn't a single worth mentioning balance patch up until the expansion. And don't tell me that it was because "balance was simply fine" at the start. We both know that's bullshit. Not to mention how far less theorycrafting there was in gaming in general 11 years ago.

In this portion you just bury yourself. I mean, you said it: it was bug fixes, exploit fixing. Nothing that had to do with the inherent quality of the game itself.
I would take an inspired game that has bugs, exploits, inequalities and imbalances over a completely uninspired game that is perfectly balanced and has very few bugs and exploits. And that's the main, big difference between D2 and D3: D2 had great ideas, good mechanics, stellar itemisation, and it was fun, although it shipped with many bugs and exploits; D3 is relatively balanced, with relatively few bugs, but totally uninspired, with almost zero great ideas, and totally un-fun in the long run.

overneathe, on 29 December 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

legendary items and so on.

D3 basically shipped with no Legendaries. Think about that for a moment before you praise them for 'fixing it'.

overneathe, on 29 December 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

I understand itemization is an issue for a lot of people but I suspect Blizzard is aware of this because of the, oh, just a few million topics posted about it every week. But do you expect such a major change to be fixed in a few months WHILE developing all the other features? How many people do you think work on this game? Because in my opinion it's no more than 20-25. And would've you been happier to see no major additions to the game while the devs toil away at fixing the itemization for a few months, knowing now that the player base is not happy with them?

No, I would've expected it at launch. It's as simple as that.
And yes, as soon as they found that itemisation was broken (which they haven't admitted, by the way...this is a big detail), I would expect them to drop everything and fix it, because without it there is no game; it's just another God of War.

overneathe, on 29 December 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

Sure, people now will jump up and say "well this shit could've just been released this way instead of having to fix it post-launch". Of course they have, but they didn't.

I haven't seen Blizzard admit that they royally screwed the pooch on this one.
Hell, I haven't even seen YOU admit that.
And what's your solution? Not give them any shit? Continue to say that all is well? Continue to support them and buy their shit?
No thanks.

overneathe, on 29 December 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

They've admitted legendary items sucked majorly at launch and they fixed those.

Why were they so shit at launch? We haven't heard anything about that.

overneathe, on 29 December 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

Larger scale things require more development and I'm sure we'll see plenty of those in the coming months.

I thought that's what the 6 or 7 or however many years of development were for.

overneathe, on 29 December 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

Now. If you want to complain that D2 was better in my eyes your arguments are beyond false. If you _truly_ believe that then I suggest you go play D2 because Diablo 3 will _never_ be its predecessor and you will _never_ be happy with it.

Why not? I loved D1, and I loved D2 even more. Why can't I love D3? It doesn't have to be the same game (it can't be), but if it doesn't follow the same formula, then it might as well have been a new IP.

overneathe, on 29 December 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

For the money people have invested in this game they've gotten  hundreds of hours of gameplay, when the average for video games nowadays is 40, sometimes down to 20, for the same price.

You conviniently left out the people that played this game because it was called 'Diablo', and had a hope that it would either BE good at launch, or BECOME good shortly after.
If this was the exact same game and was called something else, you can bet the sales would've been much lower, and the playtime among people that did buy the game would also be significantly lower.

I know my playtime would've been significantly lower if this didn't have 'Diablo' in it's name. There's always that hope that the game will be as fun as D2....

[Deventh]

Jamoose, on 30 December 2012 - 04:31 PM, said:

Indimix, on 30 December 2012 - 04:06 PM, said:

I completely agree, reducing the amount of rares that drop but increasing their quality, would be a really nice improve in the quality of life of this game.

I think they should also do that for legendaries. I mean, what the hell, i had like a thousand Frostburn gloves drop and 100% crap xD

I agree. Too bad Blizzard only listens to what they want.

[Betrayed]

I'm shocked some of you think that the game is "okay" its not and is no where near it. Apart from the awful chat channels, the zero clan support, the lack of community purely just off how they have joining games set up with monster power etc etc etc.

APART from everything that should of been added and that is in pretty much ANY other game big or small ( even Blizzards games PAST and present games )

apart from all that I thought, yknow what... If they aren't adding simplistic things that should of came with the game at least they are working on PVP / a Blog... but nope the blog was a slap in the face, and that PVP will still take awhile.

Not to sound elitist either, but give me a break guys, Im sure some of you are content with still farming / having a good time looking for gear but a lot of us are at points with our characters where we want to be able to PvP. Im assuming the majority of people saying don't whine, D3 is about PvE farming/grinding it's how it's always been. YES I realize that, it's called having 3 characters iv farmed on that would blow your mind. Now im done with PvE grinding for very very very very small upgrades id like CLANS/CHAT/PVP/. Thank you it's been close to half a year or more now.

Edited by Betrayed, 31 December 2012 - 12:44 AM.

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DieHardBastionFan, on 28 December 2012 - 01:12 AM, said:

I think it's time to let go. I don't mean that sarcastically. They had their time, clearly they are not on par with what they used to be. We should stop expecting them to.

This exactly. They were an amazing company for a long time, but nothing last forever. Such a shame...

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God damn it, just remake final fantasy 7 and it'll all be ok! Wait. oh :/

I'm amazed people are surprised at the recent news, but i'm equally fascinated with the people still defending Blizzard religiously.

Now, for reals, I'm going to get a bit heart-felt, so bare with me internet, this isn't standard and might make some of you feel a little uncomfortable, thats ok.

You guys just keep going round and round in circles, it's so old, so tiring. Can't we just put down the pitchforks, take down the barricades and move on?

I agree with Mr. Bastion Fan (DoTa 2 annoucer pack is boss btw), it's time to let go for those who were let down 7 months ago, Diablo 3 will never be the game you want, no amount of no content, expansions or systems will change that, no amount of whining or annoyance, frustration or anger will change that.

Some are happy with it and that is their choice, infact i envy those people who still enjoy it, my rose-tinted fond memories of Diablo 2 will always have a good ol place in me heart, and sadly diablo 3 never achieved the same status for me, in its own light it's good game, but it will never sit in that place D2 did that so many people wanted it to.

It really is time to stop fighting over this game. I mean this sincerely ladies and gents, if this news has frustrated you and you've been frustrated with D3 from day one, i really suggest going over to PoE and playing that and waving farewall to Diablo 3, it really is time to draw the line or go somewhere else and support a different company.

Disclaimer: I mean no hostility to anyone with this post, HUGS AND STUFF.

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maka, on 30 December 2012 - 09:30 PM, said:

It might be 'common', but it certainly isn't 'normal'. And the only reason that " the "hardcore old school players" go around forums complaining it didn't live up to expectations after spending 500+ hours on it", as you say, is because, well, the game didn't live up to the expectations of (some) veterans of the series. I mean, you yourself said it, 'casuals' are the ones mostly playing this game. More often than not, this means people that haven't played the previous games. Are you telling me this fact means nothing to you?

First of all, your quoting style in your original post and the way you answer points of other posters is extremely obnoxious. You should know, if you traffic well moderated and mature discussion forums, that making a wall-of-text post broken down by a huge pieces of quoted text guarantees you very little chance anybody will be bothered to read it and even less will try to reply to your post.

I pick just one of your points but it is clear through the rest of your arguments that you are exactly that "hardcore, old school player" you are referring to in this piece of text.
The reason why sequels, especially those coming out after long delay, are not often welcomed with cheers and joy is that the veterans who played previous games round and round for very long time have unrealistic and biased expectations. These people also often feel they are entitled to a voice on how the game should be developed. Finally, most of the people also feel they know the game franchise much better than "new" development team--read as the team that did not developed the original piece.
I also find it quite interesting that your characters listed under your Battle.net tag have obviously been played for very little time while you imply that you played Diablo 1 and 2 for very long time.By implication this means you played D1 and D2 for a long time while those games were imbalanced, buggy and lacked much of end-game content but you do not give Diablo 3 the same benefit after only 7 months of existence.