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[IceyWill]

So i've been searching around and I couldn't find a Acid rain WD build. Can anyone make a Acid rain build for me? With all the skills and passive and items? requirement,Minimum stats. With Max of 120 mil budget, and the build has to be able to do MP 4 or 5 at least. Thanks

[fihnn]

Hi,

My guess is you haven't searched very long then :-)

I have used a combination of these two - but I believe there are many more:

By Emberos - www.diablofans.com/topic/77966-acid-cloud-paragon-farming-70-mill-xphr/
By Projax - www.diablofans.com/topic/78375-projax-10mil-budget-wd-guide-50-mil-xphour-wo-hellfire-ring/

Regarding the gear, watch the guides and upgrade using the same principles.

[IcepickD]

As far as I know, and you should get another opinion Acid is not the way to go for higher MPs.
Acid is the best for lower MP I would say up to 3. But bears do start to shine much more at some point, depending on the gear, usually at higher MPs.

For Acid rain there can be many builds but I would give you some pointers. All depending on what your gear is and what MP do you want to play.

What you always need:
High LOH: over 1000 for higher MPs, for 0-2 I think 600 would do for gear around 120M.
High pickup radius: 20+, the more the better

Primary Skill: Poison dart: I use flaming darts when playing acid
Secondary skill : Acid rain, the one with larger radius, for faster farming
Pasive: Circle of life(this is where pickup radius steps in)
grave injustice, gruesome feast

Depending on survivability(it is best to try and see for your self, as it can depend on skill and playstyle):
If you are killing very fast and don't die often:
1)Sacrifice(pride for mana, and you need mana) MANDATORY
2)Spirit walk(either mana or increased duration, depending on your need)
3)Horify(stalker:for running faster)
4)Soul Harvest(either vengance for increased DMG output, or mana)

If you die more often:
1)sacrifice(pride) or take a defensive one here, sometimes I like Big Bad Voodo as I often die only if my mana runs out, or a defensive like dogs, gargantuan
2)spirit walk(3 secs duration)
3)you can go for whatever you like here that helps you, I like Gargantuan(humongoid or bad stinger are only viable), You can have Horify with armor or Mass confusion
4)Soul harvest(vengeance)

You can change some pasives here depending on your choises:
if you no longer have sacrifice remove circle of life and take jungle fortitude, or bad medicine
You can also remove grave injustice and take whatever you like if you don't need more mana
or remove gruesome feast and reduce dmg output, but get something defensive

NOTE:never take pierce the veil: DMG output seems bigger only on paper, but you can never makeout for the loss of mana
As for gear:
You will need at least 20 mana regen from items, at least 150 more mana, 500+ resist, 3.5k armor, 35k + life

Try not to use AS items, as they usually only get you paper DMG, and with your budget it is imposible to get everything else maxed out. You can have some AS items it is good for casting speed, but try not to get everything with AS, 2 items will do.
Zuni pieces are very good for WD, I would say the best.

[Faldrath]

I personally use the Gargantuan (Humongoid), and prefer Plague of Toads (Rain of Toads) alongside Acid Rain. Best thing about the toads is that they ignore wallers - Acid Rain does not.

[IcepickD]

Faldrath, on 19 December 2012 - 12:38 PM, said:

I personally use the Gargantuan (Humongoid), and prefer Plague of Toads (Rain of Toads) alongside Acid Rain. Best thing about the toads is that they ignore wallers - Acid Rain does not.

I agree that Rain of toads is great, I use it with bears since I have a slower weapon there, but for acid I have a faster weapon and I use it only to finish up elites when I'm low on mana which almost never happens to me. Poison dart has much larger DMG output on a single target(Note that I expect elites to be only one or 2 with 20% max health when I switch to Darts), just seams faster to me.

[Emberos]

I would agree that a traditional Acid Rain build is not going to do well on higher MPs.  You are probably going to want to go with a more Bear-focused build.  I have an example of a Bears build that is working well for me at higher MPs in this thread:

http://www.diablofan...p-farming-vids/

I'm sure there are others.  Really just depends on what your goals are -- if you are Paragon farming, I'd stick with low MPs and Acid Rain-oriented build.  If you are playing higher MPs for fun, I'd probably go with a Bears-oriented build.

[IcepickD]

Hey emberos I've been watching some of your vids, and you seem to like Skorn , just like me. I've also seen you use it on Acid build with LOH. Have you ever tried to get high end 1h/OH. I'm interested in an opinion from someone that has played with skorn for comparison, I'm looking for a unbiased opinion but with someone with experience in both.

Also can you share how much time have you logged with WD to get to 97 paragon, if possible total and paragon only time.

[Emberos]

I have not gone out and gotten a very good 1h/oh -- I used a 1h/oh setup originally back in 1.0.3 but around 1.0.4 I went Skorn and never looked back.  I think Beasty has tried both and probably some others.  I can say I really like the 6% Life Steal on Skorn for higher MP gameplay but I know others are doing well with only 3% and higher mitigation.  

I just logged in long enough to hover over WD stats and it says 691 hours.  I can't say for sure how much of that is Paragon farming versus pre 1.0.4.  I can say I could be 100 even now if I hadn't spent the past week of my play time messing around with higher MP gameplay gaining very low XP per hour. I'm currently over half-way from 97 to 98 which would be like 12 hours of fast MP0 farming to get to 100 for me right now -- but I'll probably take 40+ hours instead and get it while messing around with Act III and IV gameplay on MP7.

Edited by Emberos, 19 December 2012 - 03:15 PM.

[IceyWill]

fihnn, on 19 December 2012 - 08:02 AM, said:

Hi,

My guess is you haven't searched very long then :-)

I have used a combination of these two - but I believe there are many more:

By Emberos - www.diablofans.com/topic/77966-acid-cloud-paragon-farming-70-mill-xphr/
By Projax - www.diablofans.com/topic/78375-projax-10mil-budget-wd-guide-50-mil-xphour-wo-hellfire-ring/

Regarding the gear, watch the guides and upgrade using the same principles.

I will look at them thanks. I looked at Projax already I was hoping if there was a better one.

IcepickD, on 19 December 2012 - 08:22 AM, said:

As far as I know, and you should get another opinion Acid is not the way to go for higher MPs.
Acid is the best for lower MP I would say up to 3. But bears do start to shine much more at some point, depending on the gear, usually at higher MPs.

For Acid rain there can be many builds but I would give you some pointers. All depending on what your gear is and what MP do you want to play.

What you always need:
High LOH: over 1000 for higher MPs, for 0-2 I think 600 would do for gear around 120M.
High pickup radius: 20+, the more the better

Primary Skill: Poison dart: I use flaming darts when playing acid
Secondary skill : Acid rain, the one with larger radius, for faster farming
Pasive: Circle of life(this is where pickup radius steps in)
grave injustice, gruesome feast

Depending on survivability(it is best to try and see for your self, as it can depend on skill and playstyle):
If you are killing very fast and don't die often:
1)Sacrifice(pride for mana, and you need mana) MANDATORY
2)Spirit walk(either mana or increased duration, depending on your need)
3)Horify(stalker:for running faster)
4)Soul Harvest(either vengance for increased DMG output, or mana)

If you die more often:
1)sacrifice(pride) or take a defensive one here, sometimes I like Big Bad Voodo as I often die only if my mana runs out, or a defensive like dogs, gargantuan
2)spirit walk(3 secs duration)
3)you can go for whatever you like here that helps you, I like Gargantuan(humongoid or bad stinger are only viable), You can have Horify with armor or Mass confusion
4)Soul harvest(vengeance)

You can change some pasives here depending on your choises:
if you no longer have sacrifice remove circle of life and take jungle fortitude, or bad medicine
You can also remove grave injustice and take whatever you like if you don't need more mana
or remove gruesome feast and reduce dmg output, but get something defensive

NOTE:never take pierce the veil: DMG output seems bigger only on paper, but you can never makeout for the loss of mana
As for gear:
You will need at least 20 mana regen from items, at least 150 more mana, 500+ resist, 3.5k armor, 35k + life

Try not to use AS items, as they usually only get you paper DMG, and with your budget it is imposible to get everything else maxed out. You can have some AS items it is good for casting speed, but try not to get everything with AS, 2 items will do.
Zuni pieces are very good for WD, I would say the best.

Does it? Does Zombie bear work well on low MP? I plan on making a build that just runs through all the mobs on MP0 with 4 people for paragon levels. Just a update. I've said I wanted for at least MP4 or 5 but after reading. I just want a Acid build that can cut through all monster/elites on MP0 with 4 people. Thanks

Emberos, on 19 December 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:

I would agree that a traditional Acid Rain build is not going to do well on higher MPs.  You are probably going to want to go with a more Bear-focused build.  I have an example of a Bears build that is working well for me at higher MPs in this thread:



I'm sure there are others.  Really just depends on what your goals are -- if you are Paragon farming, I'd stick with low MPs and Acid Rain-oriented build.  If you are playing higher MPs for fun, I'd probably go with a Bears-oriented build.

Yah now I just wan't a MP0 build that can cut through elites with 4 players

[IcepickD]

For low MP I would say Acid is faster. I've tested this many times. Just use 1h/OH combination.
For higher MPs Bears are better.