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[thomasmgp30]

I am Paragon 30 on my Monk and have always farmed MP 2 becuase thats all I can do.  With 5 stacks I have 245 MF with Templar and I have never gotten a single upgrade or anything worth posting on the AH that would give me the millions of gold I need to farm higher MPs.  In fact I only have the gear to do MP2 because I was forced to buy gold off the RMAH.  Id probably still be stuck in Act 1 if there wasnt a RMAH and probably wearing blues off the NPC vendors.  Thats how bad my luck with drops is.  In 5 months of playing this game I have only sold two decent items on the AH and both of them were back in July before I quit.

Can someone with 500+ mil in gear that gets 10 legendaries a day tell me your secrets please.  I know these people exist cause I watch their streams and I see them get Legendaries.  Since my Monk has hit 60 and started grinding Paragon levels I have only gotten 3.  So thats 1 Legendary per 10 paragon levels so obviously Im doing something very very wrong.  I dont care if I get bad ones Id just like to know that they are in fact dropping and my character isnt bugged.  Im getting really sick of playing 8 hours a day for vendor loot.  Also I cant quit, at least not until I have made back what I had to spend on the RMAH.

My normal farming run is:

Core
Tower 1
Crater 2
Keep 3
Keep 2
Rakkis Backwards
Fields of Slaughter + Cave
Skycrown Backwards

So Im getting tons of elites, 1-2 resplendants, and 2-4 goblins every run.  So why dont I get loot?

[Miraaal]

im no where near 500mil in gear but play on mp0, why do you play on mp2?

I get legendaries now and then, and then some set items. A run for me with my gear takes about 20-25 minutes, that's not fast at all but it drop some stuff every now and then.

So bad luck I guess? Just go mp0 and plow through enemies

[Miraaal]

Miraaal, on 13 December 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:

im no where near 500mil in gear but play on mp0, why do you play on mp2?

I get legendaries now and then, and then some set items. A run for me with my gear takes about 20-25 minutes, that's not fast at all but it drop some stuff every now and then.

So bad luck I guess? Just go mp0 and plow through enemies

And yeah, you have more than double my MF

[MrBlaine]

basically am replying just to the title...

you cant... if rng hates you, thats it
keep trying I guess, if you can stand it anymore ... I couldnt

[thormond]

well im doing like 5-7 minute alkaizers on mp0 with max mf and can get about 20 legendaries per day if i play long enough(not every day cuz of RNG), but 80% of them are brimstones : /

for comparison: first 10 paragons would take me under 2h with my current speed, and even 3h periods without any legendary happened in the past already so it's just RNG being a bitch, shit happens bro

[Bagstone]

1. If you think you would be even slightly faster, lower MP level.
2. Paragon level 0-30 take as long as paragon 75-80, see this chart: http://www.diablofan...on-level-chart/ - plus, you have much more magic find on higher paragon level which automatically increases the amount of legendaries significantly. At paragon 50+ you'll find on average 1 legendary each run (give or take), I only found a handful of legendaries before 30, too.
3. There was a thread about a similar issue recently. Don't assume that everyone's a billionaire; some people who found a lot of stuff just want to brag about it, those who were unlucky just post less. But in said thread were even some people who were 80+ and still didn't have much more than 100m-200m.

[Kyoob]

I think running MP0 act III will be more efficient for you. It's all about #kills/hour and being as efficient as possible.

Also it's very important to know which build to use on your gear level. Sometimes it's better to leave some items on the ground and not bothering with picking them up/id-ing them.

For now, focus on paragon leveling, getting to 50 (20 more levels) is a matter of 10s of hours and will net you 60 more MF.

Can you post your profile? Maybe we can help with something then. Also your route is not as efficient as alkaizer's, XP/hour wise.

[thomasmgp30]

thormond, on 13 December 2012 - 04:31 PM, said:

well im doing like 5-7 minute alkaizers on mp0 with max mf and can get about 20 legendaries per day if i play long enough(not every day cuz of RNG), but 80% of them are brimstones : /

for comparison: first 10 paragons would take me under 2h with my current speed, and even 3h periods without any legendary happened in the past already so it's just RNG being a bitch, shit happens bro

Do you just blow threw trash and only kill elites?

Kyoob, on 13 December 2012 - 04:38 PM, said:

Also your route is not as efficient as alkaizer's, XP/hour wise.

Yea but more kills means more chances at loot.

Edited by thomasmgp30, 13 December 2012 - 04:45 PM.

[thormond]

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At paragon 50+ you'll find on average 1 legendary each run (give or take), I only found a handful of legendaries before 30, too.

no wai

[Kyoob]

thomasmgp30, on 13 December 2012 - 04:44 PM, said:

Kyoob, on 13 December 2012 - 04:38 PM, said:

Also your route is not as efficient as alkaizer's, XP/hour wise.

Yea but more kills means more chances at loot.

That is XP/Hour related, not loot. I think it's better to level fast and then hunt for items. If you want items now, just keep on trying. They will start to drop. Can't believe you've only seen 3 legendary drops. I'm para lvl 45 or 46 barb and I've seen a lot more legendary/set items (im not sure how many exactly, i guess more then 60). You are either experiencing a really bad luck or you are just inefficient.

[Emberos]

If you are grinding paragon and items, very fast, low MP Alk runs using max MF and max XP gear are extremely effective.  Get max movement speed and use a build that focuses speed for your class -- Tempest Rush build I believe for monks.

When you say more kills = more chances at loot you are on the correct path.  But let's add some logic to that, if an Alk run is gaining you more xp per hour, it's also because you are getting more kills per hour, which is also, as you note, giving you more chances at loot per hour.  To your other question, no you don't just kill elites.  Most legendaries come from trash packs -- not because they have a better chance to drop legendaries but rather because we kill so many of them (again more chances outweighs greater percentange chance of fewer elites).

I have sample runs in my channel below of a fast 70+ mil/xp hour Alk run -- you do this repeatedly at max MF with a Tempest Rush build and you should see legendaries and sets dropping far more frequently -- I can't promise you they'll be good legendaries but you will see them.

EDIT: last note to restress max MF and XP -- having a hellfire ring on you and follower, as well as a Leoric's at least on you make a huge increase to XP gain.  If you are farming MP0-1 runs, having XP there far outweighs any damage benefit to the speed of your levelling.  And max MF -- just get it done -- it's a bit of a pain when you are low paragon but it gets better and you can drop pieces out as you gain levels and more base MF.  If you are farming Paragon without Max MF and high XP %, you are really wasting alot of opportunity and time.

Edited by Emberos, 13 December 2012 - 05:02 PM.

[thomasmgp30]

Id love to use a hellfire if I could ever get a carry group.  Have 3 machines just rotting in my stash.  Also I did a few runs on MP2 vs MP 1 and I got almost exactly the same  so thats why I do MP2.  If Im gonna get the same exp and have it take just as long I might as well get the xtra MF bonus out of it.

Edited by thomasmgp30, 13 December 2012 - 06:23 PM.

[Bobcat915]

I am in a similar situation as the original poster. I think I am only plvl 14. Based on this conversation, am I understanding correctly that I should first focus on leveling and then when I hit plvl 50 or so focus on legendaries and higher MP levels?

Thanks for your help.

http://us.battle.net...8/hero/28781096

Edited by Bobcat915, 13 December 2012 - 06:41 PM.

[vandizle]

I would suggest playing hc. The economy is a lot better. Even good blue items still sell for gold. Its a lot more enjoyable for casual players in my opinion. Just a thought.

[thomasmgp30]

Emberos, on 13 December 2012 - 04:57 PM, said:

I have sample runs in my channel below of a fast 70+ mil/xp hour Alk run -- you do this repeatedly at max MF with a Tempest Rush build and you should see legendaries and sets dropping far more frequently -- I can't promise you they'll be good legendaries but you will see them.

OK dropped my dual wield set for a 1250 DPS skorn with LS but my DPS is only like 115k with self buff so even on MP0 some stuff doesnt get 1 shot and I have to circle back on groups of mobs a few times to kill them all.  Just finished an Alk run in 11 mins and only got 6 mil exp so thats only 32-35 mil per hour.  Half of what you get.  I guess I will just have to farm that slow until I can afford 100 mil items so I can 1 shot everything.

[Emberos]

Bear in mind, my 70+ mill vid is with Leoric's, Hellfire on me, and Hellfire on follower which adds up significantly.  An 11 min run is not bad -- if you are clearing the masses of mobs and you have good MF, you will accomplish your item goal.  Once you have some items going, you can sell them to buy a reasonable Leoric's if you want to speed your XP as well.  Hellfire ring, you should be able to solo with a defensive build at some reasonable MP level.  I did ubers when the patch first hit with something like 65k dps in a very defensive setup at MP5.  Eventually bumped it to MP7 at around 80k dps and very defensive build.  It's not 100% but so you farm a few more keys/machines -- you don't need a perfect ring -- the XP boost is the main thing for farming.

EDIT:  also, if you go back a month or so, I was at ~50 mil, you go back to when I first started Alk runs, it was lower than that.  It takes a bit to get familiar with what works and what doesn't, learning not to follow a route that will cause you to backtrack, not looping back for 1 or 2 mobs, picking up only high value yellows (learning to recognize which yellow weaps are worth picking up by name so you don't ctrl over them or waste time IDing), etc., etc.  Getting better with each run and tweaking spec or gear or whatever to be more efficient can become the game within the game for a bit.  

Now, admittedly once you get very efficient about it, it can get somewhat repetitive (to say the least) so I've usually broken it up with some spec changes or other variations but, long and short, if you put some focus on it you should get a sequence going that kills lots of mobs very quickly and efficiently.  If you do that at 375% MF (max 5 stack NV MF value at MP0), law of averages will start to translate what appears to be bad RNG now into fairly consistent worthwhile item finds.

Edited by Emberos, 13 December 2012 - 07:57 PM.

[thomasmgp30]

Well I been looking at a lot of people's profiles and their elite kills.  Seems like 20k is the magic number for having tons of gold.  Most people with 20k kills or more have 50+ million gold items in every slot.  So only need 14k more elite kills.  I mean if I cant get at least 1-2 decent drops killing 14,000 elites I quit.

[Syronicus]

It's true. The path to more legendary drops is found in higher number of kills. Kill more, get more. Do it efficiently and get more yet.

[JKlimek]

Go into the "Looking for group" group chat and post that you're looking for someone to carry to farm alk route mp0-2 with you.  There is usually someone powerful that's bored and will be glad to help.  Telquessir#1437 if you're on the US servers.  I can blast mp1-2 with archon and you just run behind me and pick up loot.  MS 24%+ strongly recommended

[AudioCG]

thomasmgp30, on 13 December 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

Well I been looking at a lot of people's profiles and their elite kills.  Seems like 20k is the magic number for having tons of gold.  Most people with 20k kills or more have 50+ million gold items in every slot.  So only need 14k more elite kills.  I mean if I cant get at least 1-2 decent drops killing 14,000 elites I quit.

Im right at that magic number, and I get decent drops almost daily. (sell-able, keepers/traders)

Add me if your not in the EU and I can take you through some keyruns/farming.