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[cdxliv]

http://www.diablopro...angFei/22623637

http://us.battle.net...4/hero/22623637

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Edited by cdxliv, 25 November 2012 - 06:43 AM.

[Obbie]

impressive.....just last week people were doing 36 seconds lol

[cdxliv]

well to be honest, it was really the intense theorycrafting done by my mod Chaz that got to this point and a very good lucky buy on an amazing Echoing Fury offhand that made this possible.

[Mortumm]

Awesome, just awesome. But for some reason, I'm not surprised it's a barbarian doing this

[cdxliv]

This build on paper has the highest DPS output of any class because of bash+punish, Hota Smash, and Insanity. At full fury I have 100% Crit Chance on HoTA.

P.S. I grew up in Kannelmäki so Hei ystävä!

Edited by cdxliv, 25 November 2012 - 08:05 AM.

[Bleedxd]

cdxliv, on 25 November 2012 - 07:56 AM, said:

This build on paper has the highest DPS output of any class because of bash+punish, Hota Smash, and Insanity.'

For the 15 seconds that Wrath lasts, yeah. In actual gameplay however, this doesnt reflect at all. As with the previous record, a good achievement overall, but Wrath-Insanity doubling your dps output just makes these barb kills cheesy, your real dps with a gameplay build would be half of that :/

[cdxliv]

Actually I use this set and a slightly modified build (sprint marathon instead of eq, ToC instead of insanity) to carry 2-3 viewers on MP10 ubers. around 4M sustained eDPS is still higher than any other class that I can think of. So far for the record attempts DH cluster bomb is an absolute useless build, Monk Cyclone snapshot is around 34s, CM wiz is around 40s. and WD is no where to be seen. even without insanity this build would would still win against all classes regardless of their practicality. I will record a solo uber run on all three bosses and report back with the time. I am not too familiar with the records for those, either detox or audi has those. In terms of real life application besides Ubers Hota is pretty silly. Rend is so much better for mp0-1 farming WW is so much better for key runs because of mobility. HoTA is strictly reserved for ubers. We will be trying for a group mp10 uber kill of under 4minutes for all 3 bosses. I will be using hota.

[Dwello]

Great achievement. But you'd never come close to that in inferno i could guarantee it  Glass cannons on MP10 would last about 1-2 second

[cdxliv]

Each hota heals for 50k life.. 500 all res 46k hp hardly glass cannon. again hota for ubers only, ww for high mp key runs, rend for mp0-1 loot/exp runs.

[gosant]

intense theorycrafting? erm..stack +dmg against elites / demons and burst-cd's..WIN

[cdxliv]

gosant, on 25 November 2012 - 09:52 AM, said:

intense theorycrafting? erm..stack +dmg against elites / demons and burst-cd's..WIN

Well it's more complicated than that. Bash punish vs frenzy maniac, witching hour blood thirst vs ik beserker, follower choice and their skills. Perfect skill rotation and theoretical outcomes were determined beforehand. Most of the work was done on paper. Of course my gear did help, with the exception of the soj and EF and inna I had all the gear without considering the record. It was a happy coincidence that I had a perfect tyarels and unity for the job.

[Bleedxd]

cdxliv, on 25 November 2012 - 09:10 AM, said:

So far for the record attempts DH cluster bomb is an absolute useless build

Sorry to say, but you're very wrong here. Im assuming you never played DH so ill try to break it down for you based on my gameplay for ubers and whatnot (While you are true in saying that Barb is the highest DPS overall, since cluster DH requires much more practice, aim and skill to land and do max dps without a CM Wiz than a HoTA barb). Grenadier and 2 Cluster reduction items turn cluster bombs into 30 hatred cost. That's 4 Clusters per full hatred bar. Prep Punishment adds another 4, each cluster critting for no less than 900k (Bear in mind, each cluster cast is 7 bombs, 7x8 = 56).

At 50% crit (This is obviously with SoJ in place of my current Hellfire which is 5.5% crit) and 560% CHD, noncrit clusters do over 100k, so let's just go by the fact that out of 7 bombs, 3 of them crit. That's 24 crits of 900k, 32 noncrits of 100k. 21.6mil dmg of crits alone, 3.2 mil dmg off noncrits. All of this at 1.8 Asp is shot in 4.4 seconds. That's 5.6 mil DPS if you do the math, and this is taking into account the worst case scenario.

After this, Grenades with Grenadier and Tinker with Bat pet refill a full hatred bar in 3.6 seconds, at which point you're already shooting clusters again with Prep (Legacy Nat's). Higher damage and whatnot can be achieved with a higher dps manticore and more AsP.

So that's average 3 mil dps on the worst case scenario, not counting pet or grenade damage. On an average case scenario it can get to over 3.5mil, which is a bit shy of your damage, which is also done i assume with full dps gear and Tyrael's might.

I'd hardly call the build useless when it's not even that far off your damage, and you're running some sick kit. Add the fact that a DH brings 12% extra damage to everyone through marked for death, and an extra 12% cleave from Grim Reaper, and it's already higher gDPS to bring a DH with my kit (Which is pretty good but shit weapon) over a HoTA Barb. Ideally you bring both with CM Wiz and Monk for the highest gDPS.

Not trying to disprove you or anything, as im fully aware a HoTA Barb is the highest solo and group dps in terms of individual player damage, while also being much easier to perfect and play at max potential than Cluster DH, just giving you a more clear view of DH so next time you wont state silly things like Cluster build being useless .

Here's my kit for future reference: http://www.diablopro.../Fortuna/149095

As you can see, we both seem to have an adoration with running numbers and whatnot, as i actually spend time testing multiple skills, talents and whatnot (At the time of mine/kongor's/avoid's/Invis's WR build i was still using HA rather than nades, which is pretty...bad, excuse me on this one). Would be nice to be able to have intelligent discussions with someone, just a shame you're US.

Keep up the good streaming and hope to see a post soon coming from your group beating our Ubers Record. I want to try and re-beat it but Avoid keeps saying it's pointless until someone does

Cupcakes and teapots, cya arround.

[cdxliv]

haha thanks for the detailed reply and the good lesson. I retracted my ignorant statement! We are working on the group uber, we actually have a different party set up and have a bit of a different result. Haha it's close, but not there yet!

[invis]

cdxliv, on 25 November 2012 - 09:10 AM, said:

Actually I use this set and a slightly modified build (sprint marathon instead of eq, ToC instead of insanity) to carry 2-3 viewers on MP10 ubers. around 4M sustained eDPS is still higher than any other class that I can think of. So far for the record attempts DH cluster bomb is an absolute useless build, Monk Cyclone snapshot is around 34s, CM wiz is around 40s. and WD is no where to be seen. even without insanity this build would would still win against all classes regardless of their practicality. I will record a solo uber run on all three bosses and report back with the time. I am not too familiar with the records for those, either detox or audi has those. In terms of real life application besides Ubers Hota is pretty silly. Rend is so much better for mp0-1 farming WW is so much better for key runs because of mobility. HoTA is strictly reserved for ubers. We will be trying for a group mp10 uber kill of under 4minutes for all 3 bosses. I will be using hota.

Set your goal higher at 3 minutes Group MP10 Uber kill so we have motivation to make one even shorter
Keep up the good game play mate.

Edited by invis, 26 November 2012 - 09:13 PM.

[ErlendOlsen]

@ cdxliv

new WR, 11 sec azmo mp 10 by korean

http://d.163.com/12/...Q300314PCN.html

gear: http://www.diablopro...6/천하무적/20761380

[cdxliv]

guy's not korean, he's Chines/Taiwanese, the progress you linked is not the same person, I already answered back with my sub 10s kill on this thread http://bbs.d.163.com...418915-1-1.html , I am Chinese too and the two of us have been going back and forth on the record for the past 24 hours, currently it's a photo finish situation where conventional timing is insufficient, i think Wrath Cooldown icon is now the best judge

[Chazhang]

Hey guys, I'm Chazhang (or Chaz as everyone in CDX's stream calls me; not the same Chaz that plays with Kripp). I mainly help with theorycrafting on the stream and ran all the calculations to figure out CDX's optimal skills and skill rotations to go for the record.

@Invis

I've been theorycrafting a bit over the weekend to figure out true DPS estimates of the various classes (including using your Azmodan kill as an estimate) to figure out an optimal combination to get some pretty ridiculous DPS outputs to compete with your already impressive record. Already in the process of writing out a thorough primer for skills, skill rotations and positioning for the people involved. I personally don't really want to get into the whole WR running due to time limitations (CD's previous post shows the potential time sink) but I think I may have to play a larger role for this next challenge.

Unfortunately, I really think SK Magda will end up being a horrible comparison tool due to the unreliability of Magda's shielding mechanic that will differentiate us in the end. Sometimes it takes up to 10 sec for her to shield when left undisturbed which is really troubling given the estimated times I'm looking at. Hopefully both our teams will get lucky with her shields in the near future!

[invis]

Chazhang, on 26 November 2012 - 07:50 PM, said:

Hey guys, I'm Chazhang (or Chaz as everyone in CDX's stream calls me; not the same Chaz that plays with Kripp). I mainly help with theorycrafting on the stream and ran all the calculations to figure out CDX's optimal skills and skill rotations to go for the record.

@Invis

I've been theorycrafting a bit over the weekend to figure out true DPS estimates of the various classes (including using your Azmodan kill as an estimate) to figure out an optimal combination to get some pretty ridiculous DPS outputs to compete with your already impressive record. Already in the process of writing out a thorough primer for skills, skill rotations and positioning for the people involved. I personally don't really want to get into the whole WR running due to time limitations (CD's previous post shows the potential time sink) but I think I may have to play a larger role for this next challenge.

Unfortunately, I really think SK Magda will end up being a horrible comparison tool due to the unreliability of Magda's shielding mechanic that will differentiate us in the end. Sometimes it takes up to 10 sec for her to shield when left undisturbed which is really troubling given the estimated times I'm looking at. Hopefully both our teams will get lucky with her shields in the near future!

Hi Chaz, very nice to meet you, and everyone in the CDX team. I have been watching the CDX channel a bit lately, nice stream so keep up the good work. Too bad I am in EU, otherwise I would love to provide more data for you. Never the less, if you need anything from me, feel free to ask.

Edited by invis, 26 November 2012 - 09:12 PM.