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[ruksak]

Chiron, on 13 November 2012 - 08:40 PM, said:

ruksak, on 13 November 2012 - 08:36 PM, said:

aye....I'm not sure linking exploits is the best idea either.

True, thought about that for a second. But still, anyone can just google it up if they want so it's not like it's very secret anyway and the method described in the link takes a lot of effort so I don't think many random players will even think about attempting to use it.

I'm just concerned about the integrity of this site. Not exactly the hallmark of the Curse Network to be known for purveying exploit content.

I would also caution others about the practice of blindly googling exploit practices as that can send you to some quite nefarious websites that may compromise your security.

[mannercookie]

ruksak, on 13 November 2012 - 08:49 PM, said:

Chiron, on 13 November 2012 - 08:40 PM, said:

ruksak, on 13 November 2012 - 08:36 PM, said:

aye....I'm not sure linking exploits is the best idea either.

True, thought about that for a second. But still, anyone can just google it up if they want so it's not like it's very secret anyway and the method described in the link takes a lot of effort so I don't think many random players will even think about attempting to use it.

I'm just concerned about the integrity of this site. Not exactly the hallmark of the Curse Network to be known for purveying exploit content.

I would also caution others about the practice of blindly googling exploit practices as that can send you to some quite nefarious websites that may compromise your security.

I guarantee you guys this is not how they are duping multiple times the same items, so don't bother trying to find how to "rollback dupe", you are wasting your time and you'll likely just end up losing all your items and time.

Like I said previously, Blizzard will rarely give rollbacks even if you claim you were hacked and show evidence. They are very strict about rollbacks now, maybe they weren't before.

Edited by mannercookie, 13 November 2012 - 08:51 PM.

[ThisYOUniverse]

If don't see an problem with 15 of the same item, when Blizzard stated it was virtually impossible for more than 1 of the exact same item to show up, then I don't know what to say other than wow...

2 maaaaaaybe 3 can be explained with roll backs and double drops.

I find it interesting when people jump to defend scammers or in this case dupers... It's almost as if they have something to keep hidden. Brushing these things under the rug as if they don't exist leads to them becoming more wide spread.

Edited by ThisYOUniverse, 13 November 2012 - 11:09 PM.

[drjdredscythe]

All I can say to maybe add to this is that with ease of farming on a mass scale, it is only a matter of time, Not if, Not maybe, Not "Oh, no sir your wrong" when we start to see this happen. The AH is not so much the issue but only illuminates this.

With people farming more, wanting to sell every set piece, decent weapon, and the hardcore people by now have their top end piece or getting rid of there "Characters" for a different class...it was bound to happen.

Can dismiss and say its all 110% duping, which Blizz and others here have said happens, but also, the longer the game goes on the higher chance at see exact rolled items on AH...besides as most agree on..items should be getting cheaper too.....by a lot....

[Lokideviny]

i dunno about this...but ure probably a retard if u wanted to pay 1.5b for that mace..

[paladinrey]

Dupe? What about bots?

[Shinna1989]

mannercookie, on 13 November 2012 - 08:51 PM, said:

Like I said previously, Blizzard will rarely give rollbacks even if you claim you were hacked and show evidence. They are very strict about rollbacks now, maybe they weren't before.

Evidence for this? Tbh i think its bs what you saying. Proof? 2 Friends of mine got hacked within the last week and both got the rollback. In one case a ring was duped. He listed the ring on the ah which was sold. After the rollback he had the ring in his stash and recived the gold from the gah too...So a nice double dip...Im kinda 100% sure the only way to "dupe" is absue the rollback. Whos using it? My guess: Former goldbotters. Within the past months/weeks blizzard banned alot of bot-accounts and i assume they "enhanced" the detection of the "warden software". So instead of goldbotting mr. x just buys a few nearly bis rolled items from the gah and just claims of being hacked with his multiple left over accounts. I guess none of the blizzard cms looking into the database and have a clue what items are part of the rollback. That would simply just take too much time and is in no way cost efficient for a company like blizzard.

[ruksak]

ThisYOUniverse, on 13 November 2012 - 11:08 PM, said:

I find it interesting when people jump to defend scammers or in this case dupers... It's almost as if they have something to keep hidden. Brushing these things under the rug as if they don't exist leads to them becoming more wide spread.

lol....nobody is defending the practice. People (me) are just asking for some calm here in the face of ZERO evidence that in-game duping is being practiced.

Just like sightings of UFO's in the night sky, if there are reasonable explanations for this, then that is what people should lean toward.

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2 maaaaaaybe 3 can be explained with roll backs and double drops.

If 2 or 3 can, why couldn't 15 or 20? You see where I'm going with this, right?

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If don't see an problem with 15 of the same item, when Blizzard stated it was virtually impossible for more than 1 of the exact same item to show up, then I don't know what to say other than wow...

Blizzard never made that statement, not in regard to bugs or roll-back scams. So again, you're really clawing toward what you seem to want to believe and doing so without being reasonable.

[GroentjeBE]

ruksak, on 13 November 2012 - 03:45 PM, said:

I really wish these alarmists would bring more evidence to the table before crying wolf.

Really? What about gem prices few weeks ago?

[DreamWalker]

mannercookie, on 13 November 2012 - 08:51 PM, said:

ruksak, on 13 November 2012 - 08:49 PM, said:

Chiron, on 13 November 2012 - 08:40 PM, said:

ruksak, on 13 November 2012 - 08:36 PM, said:

aye....I'm not sure linking exploits is the best idea either.

True, thought about that for a second. But still, anyone can just google it up if they want so it's not like it's very secret anyway and the method described in the link takes a lot of effort so I don't think many random players will even think about attempting to use it.

I'm just concerned about the integrity of this site. Not exactly the hallmark of the Curse Network to be known for purveying exploit content.

I would also caution others about the practice of blindly googling exploit practices as that can send you to some quite nefarious websites that may compromise your security.

I guarantee you guys this is not how they are duping multiple times the same items, so don't bother trying to find how to "rollback dupe", you are wasting your time and you'll likely just end up losing all your items and time.

Like I said previously, Blizzard will rarely give rollbacks even if you claim you were hacked and show evidence. They are very strict about rollbacks now, maybe they weren't before.

I'm with ruksac on this, read the whole post now, and even tho there could be lots of different methods to be duping, i'm leaning towards the rollback duping being the most valid of them. Why would blizz be so cautious to be doing rollbacks ? especially if people are actually able to do like Chiron wrote erlier on page 3. Moving/selling items between several accounts, so that in the end they will be able to claim their 1st account hacked. This seems very plausible, since blizz can't accuse the 3rd or 4th account to be a part of a scam. They could just be a regular buyer, who got unlucky and bought a "duped" weap.

[ruksak]

GroentjeBE, on 14 November 2012 - 09:33 AM, said:

ruksak, on 13 November 2012 - 03:45 PM, said:

I really wish these alarmists would bring more evidence to the table before crying wolf.

Really? What about gem prices few weeks ago?

Still....no evidence. Perhaps several people took a page from the Asian exploit cookbook and bought/rolled mass amounts of Radiants only to roll them back to create more. With gems you could accomplish this much more easily, as you could legitimately amass great amounts and only roll-back once or twice to create well over a hundred.

I'm just guessing. Perhaps someone figured out how to 'trick' the jeweler into duplicating. It wouldn't be unprecedented.

I used the Radiants as an example earlier to show why it's best that Blizz keep quiet while rectifying a sensitive situation such as this.

They never directly addressed it. It went away almost overnight. A wave of bans ensued, though the indication was that it was for 3rd party software, perhaps unrelated.

Point being, it is best for them to keep quiet while remedying something so potentially damaging to the integrity of the game.

Edited by ruksak, 14 November 2012 - 11:29 AM.

[eple]

Anyone who played Diablo 2 knows how duping shows up ingame when it becomes "rampant".

And by that statement it is safe to say that duping is by no means rampant anywhere in D3 (yet).

Edited by eple, 14 November 2012 - 12:00 PM.

[Prag]

Why would Blizzard stop something that's earning them a pretty substantial profit? They do nothing about the small dupes (15 people of the millions playing) and continue to rake in money as that item continues to change hands in the RMAH->GAH flip, and then again when the Gold is sold on the RMAH.

If it were truly rampant, they'd do something. They have much better tracking technology, and if they felt it were worth their time something would be done.

[ruksak]

Prag, on 14 November 2012 - 12:03 PM, said:

Why would Blizzard stop something that's earning them a pretty substantial profit? They do nothing about the small dupes (15 people of the millions playing) and continue to rake in money as that item continues to change hands in the RMAH->GAH flip, and then again when the Gold is sold on the RMAH.

There are several issues with this conspiracy theory.

1) Were it to get out (and these things always do; either by employee leak/hack/investigation etc) then Blizzard, a company already making shit-loads of scratch, would lose much of their customer base, as well as be subject to prosecution via electronic fraud laws.

2) They have a $250 limit on RMAH transactions. Were they truly trying to bilk it's customers, does it not make sense that they would raise this amount to say, $500, or more?

3) The RMAH business model is meant to provide long term coverage of this game, going well into the future. The 15% cut is not 100% profit. There are many hidden costs to them providing this service.

To assert that they either turn a blind eye to this practice, or, to assert that they perhaps quietly encourage it through inaction is akin to a criminal choosing to rob an ice cream shop instead of a bank.

Summary; There is no long term gain in them (Blizz) facilitating dubious sales of duped virtual items. To do so not only attacks the integrity of their system, but would stand to bring a quick end to their RMAH endeavors. They make enough money off of this long-term, sustainable income for a free-to-play game as it is. They need not play dirty pool to see a successful execution of the RMAH system.

[Plasmic]

duping is a plague that only holyest of holy can cleanse!

[Syronicus]

Plasmic, on 14 November 2012 - 02:33 PM, said:

duping is a plague that only holyest of holy can cleanse!

Meh, nothing a tin foil hat won't take care of.

[DemonStain]

duping isn't really that hard to do.  it is all about being able to tell when a save has occurred (usually able to force one by logging off). then having a way to crash the servers.  With all the bug fixes directed at patching game crashing bugs, I can see how duping is getting out of control.  Once you have a way to crash the servers, you have a way to force the game to "not save".  then you can do whatever you want including giving away your gear to someone else. letting them log and save their character and then you crash the server and force your character to not be saved.  Then you log in and all your stuff is there because it didn't save the fact you transferred all your items.  However, you friend has all the items too because they logged off and saved their character.

[DemonStain]

same principle would apply to the action house.  If you could figure out a way to create an auction, and get the auction saved so it is active, then figure out a way to crash the client/auction house server (without saving your character so that it reloads your inventory when you re-sign in., then you could probably dupe in that method also.  I've seen lots and lots of auction house only maitenance over the life of D3.

Edited by DemonStain, 14 November 2012 - 05:38 PM.

[Syronicus]

DemonStain, on 14 November 2012 - 04:48 PM, said:

duping isn't really that hard to do.  it is all about being able to tell when a save has occurred (usually able to force one by logging off). then having a way to crash the servers...

Gee, sounds so simple... Makes me wonder why duping is not any more "rampant" than it already is!

[ruksak]

Syronicus, on 14 November 2012 - 05:43 PM, said:

DemonStain, on 14 November 2012 - 04:48 PM, said:

duping isn't really that hard to do.  it is all about being able to tell when a save has occurred (usually able to force one by logging off). then having a way to crash the servers...

Gee, sounds so simple... Makes me wonder why duping is not any more "rampant" than it already is!

After reading Demonstain's post, I've been duping all afternoon.

I'm rich as shit now. Just bought a 70ft yacht. Currently sailing off to Jamaica. See you suckers on the other side. Peace.