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[EVISCER8]

So I've been playing my Barbarian as I have recently become bored with my Monk. I feel like I have some decent gear but don't have too much left to upgrade much. I know my Gems need to be maxed out but like I said, I don't have much left to upgrade after some purchases.

I got lucky and found my Echoing Fury last night giving me a 7k dps bump over my old weapon and am now sitting at 80k unbuffed DPS.

I don't really have much trouble with surviving or killing most monsters in MP4-5 alone accept when I come across a goblin. There are times when they will get away from me with just under 1m health left and it's quite frustrating.

Is my DPS at a respectable level or is it still too low and that is why I am running into this?

Here is a link to my Barbarian.

http://us.battle.net...84/hero/3897655

Thanks in advance.

[EismitSahne]

With your build your dps is obviously to low if you run into the problem of killing gobs. There can be plenty of reasons though that can lie in your playstyle as well.
If you use only bash to kill gobs you probably want to try a more dps orientated skill and loose the fury gain.

However you should read up a bit more on your build.
Your Tornado dmg is generated out of your weapon dmg + str etc. it will only take the dmg from your mainhand. So you want the high dmg weapon in your mainhand. So change them and you should already see an improvement in your kill speed.

Edited by EismitSahne, 06 November 2012 - 04:20 PM.

[EVISCER8]

Thanks for the reply. I totally forgot about the tornadoes taking dmg from mainhand only. My old offhand was actually much worse so maybe that's the key now that I have the new weapon.

You mentioned bash in your reply. Should I switch cleave out for bash? I have been using cleave to gain fury more quickly if needed. One or two swings with cleave can fill my fury if I get a few crits depending on the size of the pack.

[EismitSahne]

Sorry i misstook cleave for bash.

Yes you should use bash, it's a better fury generator and it has more dmg then cleave.
If you still run into problems killing gobs with bash, you could always go frenzy and see if you can play without the fast fury generation.

In general i'm a fan of low level mp farming. For me the increased kill speed gives me more at the end of the day. So you could always play a lower mp lvl. 80k is allright for mp5 but not much

Edited by EismitSahne, 07 November 2012 - 11:15 AM.

[GroentjeBE]

You can get like 200 more strenght if you change your chest and pants armor. Echoing fury is just wrong for farming with ww barb imo... It's good for bosses though... I had samish one and sold it after 2hours of play. Anyways i have seen more people doing it... I think the best bet for you in blackthorn's chest and pants with max number of sockets and high strenght. I think with 80m you can fix it. Prob you gain 8-10k dps

[redrym]

GroentjeBE, on 07 November 2012 - 11:40 AM, said:

Echoing fury is just wrong for farming with ww barb imo...

Can you explain more about this?

[GroentjeBE]

Affcourse... double tornado build works better with more enemies. So you want big big biiiiiig packs so you get semi-immortal. But when you are hitting so many times, the fear make mobs run away many many times. So you end up running after those idiots. It's ok for white mobs but it sucks for molten ranged. I think every high end barb once had an echoing fury but sold it afterwarts. Am i right? Mayb they kept it for uber bosses, i dunno. Sorry for bad english, not native language

[EVISCER8]

Not sure I'd swap out my chest as of right now. I'm using it for the movement speed since my Ice Climbers don't have it. I do agree with the pants though. Been looking for a decent upgrade.

As for the Echoing Fury, I came to that same conclusion with my Echoing Fury. It has a good amount of Dex on it so I might just give it to my Monk since it will give her far more DPS than the one she is using right now. If not, I can always try and sell it to pick up a replacement weapon.

Inna's pants would be a nice upgrade for the Movement Speed allowing me to swap out my Tyrael's might and not have to lose the 12%. I could also use some nice Lacuni's with Crit chance on them. There are plenty of combinations of upgrades for me but unless I start getting lucky and finding them or some nice items that are worth a decent amount, I fear it will be quite a while before I get that sorted out.

I did switch my Cleave rune to do more dmg and havent run into an issue with goblins in MP5 anymore. I also tried swapping out my Wrath rune for Insanity, It allows me to kill things faster in quick fights but I'll be switching it back to Thrive on Chaos since 15 seconds just isn't long enough for large packs in act 3 since my kill speed has actually gone down.

[Gnarf]

my rule is to never play a certain MP on which i need wotb or even wotb + frenzy shrine to kill a goblin, except obviously for keys and ubers where goblin isnt a priority

echoing fury is great, sure the fear can be annoying but to get the same dps increase (and i dont mean just paper dps, the +APS helps a lot to get to new tornado tick breakpoint which is a big dps increase) with a rare weapon i'd have to invest around 400mil gold and i got my EF for a measly 75mil but i would recommend getting one with low fear chance, ideally below 13%

OP's aint bad with 14% but im a not a fan of dexterity, you end up with high dodge (~20%) and then you keep getting yourself stuck in dodge animation

Edited by Gnarf, 07 November 2012 - 05:23 PM.

[dao72785]

use rend on the gob it helps

[EVISCER8]

@Gnarf: Thanks for the post. I have read a lot of your posts on this forum and find them all to be well thought out and extremely helpful. I agree with you on the Dex with a Barb but I found this one so I kept it for now until I can either sell it or save up for a replacement.

@dao: What would you have me swap out for rend in a WW build.......

[Gnarf]

EVISCER8, on 07 November 2012 - 06:53 PM, said:

@Gnarf: Thanks for the post. I have read a lot of your posts on this forum and find them all to be well thought out and extremely helpful. I agree with you on the Dex with a Barb but I found this one so I kept it for now until I can either sell it or save up for a replacement.

@dao: What would you have me swap out for rend in a WW build.......

that's the nicest thing anyone ever said to me on gaming forums

edit: for rend you'd have to switch out war cry, rend would obviously increase your damage output but your survivability will suffer although not greatly because of life leech rune on rend

i cant advice for or against it because i haven't tried it myself (im a bit of a rend hater so cba trying it even if it works great )

Edited by Gnarf, 07 November 2012 - 07:27 PM.

[Jamoose]

Im a 80k dps unbuffed ww barb right now and im doing great. Sure the damage is not that high on mp5+ but you are virtually immortal. Atleast wth frenzy, that's how it is.

Here is my profile but its not updated, i changed my armor + pants since the last update and they both had quite a massive strength upgrade that boosted up my damage.
http://eu.battle.net...376/hero/611749

Edited by Jamoose, 07 November 2012 - 07:22 PM.

[Xiep]

I wounder why you are still using War Cry.
Just use Overpower, With crushing advance you are getting 35% extra mitigation, with no DR, and almost 80% uptime e, and 100% up on critical moments; fight start. etc Or just get more resist on other items and go for Overpower, Killing spree, so you 'll get 10% crit chance.
Thus u'll get new spameable skill, whos bossting you defensively or offensively.

[EVISCER8]

Thanks for the tip Xiep. I'll try it tonight when I get home from work.

[Babu]

I have really no problems with echoing fury's fear. I dont get it why so many people complain about it. Sometimes it can be annoying but very rarely. Good weapon boom boom!