25 replies to this topic

[zauka88]

Anyone could tell me how is this ring 4 random prop +strenght?

[Zera]

damage xp the proc and a socket. Allthough I guess those aren't random xD

Edited by Zera, 24 October 2012 - 10:29 AM.

[zauka88]

Zera, on 24 October 2012 - 10:28 AM, said:

damage xp the proc and a socket. Allthough I guess those aren't random xD

Strenght, Exp and proc are fix. There should be 4 random next to those.

[Cyeron]

guess you got "lucky" and hit

+ MIN dmg
+ MAX dmf
+ damage range (e.g. +6-8 damage)

on the same item. Then it will show up like + (damage range minimum + (MIN dmg affix)) - (damage range maximum + (MAX dmg affix)). Put short, the +32-92 damage is 3 item affixes in 1.
The last is a socket, obviously.

My guess at least

[SwamySalami]

+ min dmg, + max dmg, 1x socket are at least three random affixes. Cant spot the last one though.

I believe Cyeron is correct, the last one is probably damage range.

Edited by SwamySalami, 24 October 2012 - 10:33 AM.

[LordPoekel]

It got hidden +mindam, so you got mindam, maxdam, minmaxdam and socket. You can find out the values if you do the following:

- Put the ring on your char and wait until it will show up on your hero page.
- Go to your hero page
- Open the pages source code in your browser
- Search for ""slot-rightFinger" or "slot-leftFinger" (depending on the finger you put the ring on)
- You will see something like this: <a class="slot-link" href="/d3/en/item/unity" data-d3tooltip="item/CjkIpo343AUSBwgEFSqvqN8dlkYMvR28Hz3iHbHN23YdBn2WQR3ZW5rhHZRRsqowCTjnAkAAUBJg6gIYq8O6hQRQAFgC">
- Copy this part (of your item of course): CjkIpo343AUSBwgEFSqvqN8dlkYMvR28Hz3iHbHN23YdBn2WQR3ZW5rhHZRRsqowCTjnAkAAUBJg6gIYq8O6hQRQAFgC
- Open a new Tab with this site: eu.battle.net/api/d3/data/item/ or us.battle.net/api/d3/data/item/
- Copy the gibberish into the end of the URL:
eu.battle.net/api/d3/data/item/CjkIpo343AUSBwgEFSqvqN8dlkYMvR28Hz3iHbHN23YdBn2WQR3ZW5rhHZRRsqowCTjnAkAAUBJg6gIYq8O6hQRQAFgC
- Press Enter
- Save the file as txt (you can rename it, for example ring.txt
- Open the file in the text editor

In my case it's a Unity with 32-64 damage shown. If you look for Attributes Raw you find the raw attributes. In my case:

"attributesRaw" : {
"Damage_Min#Physical" : {
"min" : 32.0,
"max" : 32.0
},
"Hitpoints_On_Hit" : {
"min" : 279.0,
"max" : 279.0
},
"Durability_Cur" : {
"min" : 359.0,
"max" : 359.0
},
"Crit_Percent_Bonus_Capped" : {
"min" : 0.045,
"max" : 0.045
},
"Durability_Max" : {
"min" : 362.0,
"max" : 362.0
},
"Damage_Delta#Physical" : {
"min" : 32.0,
"max" : 32.0
},
"Damage_Bonus_Min#Physical" : {
"min" : 30.0,
"max" : 30.0
},
"Damage_Percent_Bonus_Vs_Elites" : {
"min" : 0.030000000000000027,
"max" : 0.030000000000000027
},
"Dexterity_Item" : {
"min" : 153.0,
"max" : 153.0
}
Damage_Min#Physical and Damage_Delta#Physical is Minmaxdam. The values are 32 for min and 32 for delta. Maxdam is Mindam and Deltadam added. So you get 32 - (32 + 32) or 32 - 64 Minmaxdam which is the damage shown.

On top of this the ring got Damage_Bonus_Min#Physical with a value of 30. This is the hidden minimimum damage. The actual damage of my ring is not 32 - 64 (as shown) but 62 - 64.

Your ring will have the following attributes:
Damage_Min#Physical (33)
Damage_Delta#Physical
Damage_Bonus_Min#Physical (hidden Mindam)
Damage_Bonus_Max#Physical (extra Maxdam)

Highest value vor Min or Maxdam is 36. So if you are lucky your ring 69 - 92 damage (or 80.5 average damage).

[MMAScambo]

Yeah I think Cyeron may be right.

[quirkitized]

Cyeron, on 24 October 2012 - 10:31 AM, said:

guess you got "lucky" and hit

+ MIN dmg
+ MAX dmf
+ damage range (e.g. +6-8 damage)

on the same item. Then it will show up like + (damage range minimum + (MIN dmg affix)) - (damage range maximum + (MAX dmg affix)). Put short, the +32-92 damage is 3 item affixes in 1.
The last is a socket, obviously.

My guess at least

good info thx

[Ferron7]

yup, 3 rolls on min-max dmg... sucks when this happens : |

[Archet]

At least it's a 200dmg upgrade

Edited by Archet, 28 October 2012 - 05:17 PM.

[Bodycount1]

If only that socket was changed to crit, it would be insane.

[Sembiance]

It's posts like these that make me not want to bother trying to farm keys and organs for my first ring if this is what I may end up getting.

[LordPoekel]

Well, in my opinion bonus damage is an often overlooked stat especially if you are using a weapon with a fast attack speed. This ring could have 36 minimum damage which would be an average damage of 80. If you got an Echoing Fury the average damage would be around 115.

Without any other bonus damage (only 1 ring and amulet slot left; assuming 1250 DPS EF) you would be talking about a 9% damage increase from bonus damage.

To put this into comparison:
At 2200 strength this would equal 207 strength.
At 400% Crit damage and 60% Critchance this would equal 51% crit damage or 4.5% cc and 20% cd.

So if you got a ring with 450 strength or a ring with 245 strength and 50% crit damage or a ring with 245 strength, 4.5% cc and 20% cd as that bad?

For a better comparison a ring with 80 average damage, socket and 186 strength should be about equal to a ring with 150 Strength, 30% crit damage and 6% critchance if you use the numbers above (and if I calculated everything correctly )

I'd say you could get much worse than a ring with all 3 damage rolls (if they are rolled high, theoretically a Calamity using DH could get a bonus DPS of 160)

[Windir8]

Very interesting. I didn't even realize the rolls could turn out that way. Thanks for the insight.

[Westy357]

Those Hellfire rings suck. I've seen 2 members of this forum with them who just gave them to a follower. People who have good enough equipment and game skills to get a Hellfire ring obviously don't need one in the 1st place.

I know I wouldn't break up my Litany of the Undaunted + The Wailing Host set to use one of them. The extra xp is nice, but really it is no good as you just need to keep playing the game with a 31% ruby and you will get to 100 anyways.

http://us.battle.net...7/hero/19628354

Edited by Westy357, 09 November 2012 - 12:08 AM.

[ZzEzZ]

As others said, you got min/max damage twice so it ate up some of your rolls.

[TenhiKauan666]

I hope I don't get something like this after 3 weeks farming for keys...

[MadViking]

From a damage point of view that ring isn't so bad. It lacks any of the "big 3" (crit chance, crit damage, attack speed), but with the socket you end up with around 240 str and it has massive +dmg (average of +62). It's better than any of the rings I've gotten so far......

[Rhye]

Westy357, on 09 November 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

Those Hellfire rings suck. I've seen 2 members of this forum with them who just gave them to a follower. People who have good enough equipment and game skills to get a Hellfire ring obviously don't need one in the 1st place.

Ehm, no? Hellfire Rings can be best in slot even for ppl with very good gear. And ofc ppl give them to followers. I've made 60+ rings. Why would I NOT give them to followers? They are very good for them, since they can have high main stat and MF. All of my followers have rings that are bad for me, but awesome for them.

[Wetzeb]

So, what happens if you salvage a hellfire ring? I haven't seen it posted anywhere yet, but then again I haven't looked for it?

Also, blizzard tries to get rid of MF and GF on item stats by introducing the Paragon levels, gives us the Hellfire ring which gives +exp. To me that seems like a wasted concept. Once we hit Paragon 100 we won't be needing the bonus experience and how many people are wearing trifecta rings with better stats than what an ideal Hellfire can roll? The proc just doesn't seem worth it to me if you look at it from that standpoint.