[Jeremiel]

I voted: It needs more work. Needs to be darker and gothic looking with more shades of gray.

[Archaven]

I think the new art direction looks really good. If anything they only need to just polish the background, characters, items, weapons, etc. to have higher quality textures, etc.

[surmarmot]

Blz don't warry about patience of us please. A real "follow up of Diablo" is much worth than "on-time diable3" to most players.
And several dead-line delay just match Blz traditional style...........:cool::cool:

[diablo3game]

If you compare D2 and D3 artistically and graphicly you'll notice there is not much difference and D2 also did have many bright places and 10x more cartoony monsters.

For example look at the fallen, fallen shaman(cartoony red), zombie(cartoonish brownish), skeleton(cartoony yellow and red shoulderpads), wraith(colorful and strong blue), leaper(greeny, rubber looking), maggots(cartoony orange, not realistic), swarm(strong red dots), slinger(redish cartoony), fetish shaman(cartoony and strong green), frog demon (very strong red, cartoony), tenticle (cartoony red-brownish), etc......

D3 is not cartoony at all or compared to D2 its 100x times more realistic.
As far as the outside jungle level we saw in the demo its a bit bright but its clearly a day time, its 20 years from diablo 2 events so evil is not that spread and things have started to come back to normal but you can also see the difference when rain starts to fall, thunder storms and lightning strikes and as the demo goes more it starts to get night time and you see the level darkening a lot.
So instead of going through constant dark, now the mood changes and there is more contrast to show the difference.

edited out potential flame ~ Atrumentis

[Hunter-Wolf]

I did watch all the interviews and Art panels and also have a very high-res version of the gameplay vid that i watched many times.

And i have to say everything they are aiming for makes sense and is wonderfully realsied in the demo they showed, if the game is released tomorrow i wouldn't mind buying it at its current state even without any poilish.


took out potential flaming sentence ~ Atrumentis

[Atrumentis]

I will not tolerate flame, spam or off-topic in this thread. I have spent over 6 hours deleting 250+ useless posts (25 pages) here.

Please do not flame or spam this thread. If you want your opinion heard, say it nicely and keep it to the point.

Edit: Thank you, Dominant. Very much appreciated :)

Reminder:

Medievaldragon said:

Please, make a very concise, respectful, and detailed explanation of what you liked and did not like of the Art Design Direction in Diablo III.

No trolling or insulting please. The thread will be monitored.

[danobrega]

The 3 first options are true. The graphics are great, but would fit the Diablo theme better if they were darker and Gothic, because now they are too cartoony.

[Lonewulf]

I voted Needs more work. From an art perspective. Like most here. I hope for darker aspects to D3.
And I did notice that objects within the game were kind of blocky. Examples are the candels, the chairs(the round part), and most round objects are really blocky like the art style used in wow. Now gfx has improved alot... no reason for them to keep doing that. Clear example would be titan quest and any other recent games. Blizz, PLZ LOOSE THE BLOCKY ITEMS AND TAKE ON A REALISTIC art direction!! PLZ.

[paralleluniverse]

I don't have anything against the bright colors that are used. If you play through D2, you'll notice that most of it is not dark at all, especially the outdoor zones in Act 2, 3 and 5. There's nothing wrong with a variety of bright colors, its far more pleasant to look at, and I would say it more accurately depicts the world of Sanctuary (at least the exterior).

Color is good for contrast, the game wouldn't me fun if everything is just awash with gray. And that isn't remotely close to how the previous Diablo games looked. Although the dungeons would probably benefit from a darker artstyle like the previous games, the outdoor zones don't need to be changed. Also, Diablo never had a gothic artstyle, none of the 5 acts in D2, except a few parts of Act 1 could be even considered gothic at all.

With that said, the light radius definitely must return, at least for dungeons (I don't think its necessary for the outdoor zones, but I wouldn't mind if they had a light radius too). It sets the atmosphere for dungeons very well. Although, I understand that a light radius would be a feature that would probably be better to add near the end of development, but it must be there.

However, I don't like how corpses, blood, and the destructible environment fades in about 30 seconds. This hinders the immersion of the game. In D1, corpses and blood never decayed, and in D2 they decayed after a long time, but in D3 they decay almost immediately.At the very least, make it an option to have no decay, if the concern is the system requirements. There's nothing like going back to see the bloody floor littered with corpses, and the carnage you just unleashed. Decay makes the game world far too clean, it should be messy and bloody, like the previous Diablo games, and the 30 second decay timer in D3 is just dumb. This is the most important issue I have with D3 at the moment.

Also, I do feel that the graphics are cartoony. Armor shouldn't be too large or be out of proportion, and some of the textures, such as that lion statue of the stairs that everyone keeps pointing to looks out of place in the Diablo universe. These are some examples where some more realism isn't a bad thing. Just follow the artstyle of D2.

[Atrumentis]

Guys, please. Blizzard politics are bit off topic here, and your posts are just full of flame anyway.

Remember, the easiest way to tell if your post consists of flame is when you start typing 'you' and 'your' a lot.

Also, opinions are just getting repeated over and over. Can anyone come up with a new angle on the art design to talk about?

[Corwyn]

I signed it and I downloaded the high def video in the hopes that I was worrying over nothing and the blurry watercolor and/or cell shaded look was being made to look worse due to compression. Sadly this is not the case.

[Dimebog]

Corwyn said:

As for nostalgia, Why the hell should Blizzard make a SEQUEL to appeal to a bunch of kids looking for WoW with different gameplay as opposed to those who loved the previous games and the setting?

Don't worry - WoW kids are appealed by the complexity and amount of skill needed to get your items. D3 remains something 'you can teach your grandmother to play in five minutes'. But indeed - if they make it look dark and gray like Doom 3, you don't have to worry that it will appeal to anyone in particular.

[dominant]

Atrumentis said:

Guys, please. Blizzard politics are bit off topic here, and your posts are just full of flame anyway.

Remember, the easiest way to tell if your post consists of flame is when you start typing 'you' and 'your' a lot.

Also, opinions are just getting repeated over and over. Can anyone come up with a new angle on the art design to talk about?

Good Point.

I resign. Much respect.

*claps*

un-sarcastically

[Hunter-Wolf]

Atrumentis said:

Guys, please. Blizzard politics are bit off topic here, and your posts are just full of flame anyway.

Remember, the easiest way to tell if your post consists of flame is when you start typing 'you' and 'your' a lot.

Also, opinions are just getting repeated over and over. Can anyone come up with a new angle on the art design to talk about?

Alright, sorry about that :(


Every single poll on the site here is either balanced between the two sides of the argument or either leaning towards the side that likes the game as it is and wants the game to get finished to buy it as soon as possible.

The results of that last one was almost 80% ( the side that likes the game as it is and wants the game to get finished to buy it as soon as possible ) vs 20% ( the side that says it is cartoony and needs to be remade ), and that says a lot :cool:


View Poll Results: Will you buy Diablo 3 if nothing is changed to the visuals? No. 19 11.73% Yes. 143 88.27%

[Corwyn]

Dimebog said:

Don't worry - WoW kids are appealed by the complexity and amount of skill needed to get your items. D3 remains something 'you can teach your grandmother to play in five minutes'. But indeed - if they make it look dark and gray like Doom 3, you don't have to worry that it will appeal to anyone in particular.

That comes across an awful lot like your a WoW player and not particularly enthused by Diablo's world/theme or play style. Which is fine, I have no problem with that at all, but it kind of exemplifies what I mean, and that is that seemingly the people that like it as it is aren't even interested in the original series and the theme they had?

Hunter-Wolf said:

Alright, sorry about that :(


Every single poll on the site here is either balanced between the two sides of the argument or either leaning towards the side that likes the game as it is and wants the game to get finished to buy it as soon as possible.

The results of that last one was almost 80% ( the side that likes the game as it is and wants the game to get finished to buy it as soon as possible ) vs 20% ( the side that says it is cartoony and needs to be remade ), and that says a lot

Uh what? the poll and the top of this very thread is pretty much 60% in favour of it getting changed, thats an awful lot.? and to top that off you pretty much admitted that on your side you have all the people who just want the game ASAP and don't even care what it looks like, so we have 57% being unhappy enough to vote about it and 40% who are a mixture of not caring what it looks like and want it now and those that like the new art direction....

[Dimebog]

Corwyn said:

That comes across an awful lot like your a WoW player and not particularly enthused by Diablo's world/theme or play style. Which is fine, I have no problem with that at all, but it kind of exemplifies what I mean, and that is that seemingly the people that like it as it is aren't even interested in the original series and the theme they had?

I probably spent more time in D2 (and still do) than you ever will. And if graphics are EVERYTHING for you, maybe you should be looking for some other game, and not D3.

Even if I was a WoW player, I do not allow that you use the term maliciously. WoW-hating sheep is much worse than ANY conceivable form of WoW-sheep. And it makes me want to puke.

Corwyn said:

Uh what? the poll and the top of this very thread is pretty much 60% in favour of it getting changed, thats an awful lot.?

Yes, awful lot of complainers. 7 million D2 fans do not see a reason to join some forum just to complain or sign petitions. They saw what the game looks like, they like it. Just log in to B.Net and enter some games..... Ask ANYONE if they think graphics should be changed.

[Hunter-Wolf]

Corwyn said:

That comes across an awful lot like your a WoW player and not particularly enthused by Diablo's world/theme or play style. Which is fine, I have no problem with that at all, but it kind of exemplifies what I mean, and that is that seemingly the people that like it as it is aren't even interested in the original series and the theme they had?



Uh what? the poll and the top of this very thread is pretty much 60% in favour of it getting changed, thats an awful lot.?

60% to 40% is quite balanced, but how about this one ?

http://www.diablofan...?t=10399&page=9


View Poll Results: Will you buy Diablo 3 if nothing is changed to the visuals?

No. 19 11.73%

Yes. 143 88.27%

I think i don't need to say how much it is leaning towards the side that wants to buy the game even if nothing is changed, because they like Diablo.

[Murderface]

People that liked what Diablo 3 looked like are not going to sit here and bitch about how its good. People that want it to change are much more vocal. The poll is flawed because of that FACT.

[Blacksmith]

Hunter-Wolf said:

60% to 40% is quite balanced, but how about this one ?

http://www.diablofan...?t=10399&page=9


View Poll Results: Will you buy Diablo 3 if nothing is changed to the visuals?

No. 19 11.73%

Yes. 143 88.27%

I think i don't need to say how much it is leaning towards the side that wants to buy the game even if nothing is changed, because they like Diablo.

That doesn't have anything to do with art style. I would prefer more sinister, realistic world in Diablo3 but I would also still buy the game as it is. The only reason we want graphics to get gritty is because the game will feel more like Diablo games and not Dungeon Siege or Titan Quest.

[Corwyn]

Dimebog said:

I probably spent more time in D2 (and still do) than you ever will. And if graphics are EVERYTHING for you, maybe you should be looking for some other game, and not D3.

Even if I was a WoW player, I do not allow that you use the term maliciously. WoW-hating sheep is much worse than ANY conceivable form of WoW-sheep. And it makes me want to puke.


Yes, awful lot of complainers. 7 million D2 fans do not see a reason to join some forum just to complain or sign petitions. They saw what the game looks like, they like it. Just log in to B.Net and enter some games..... Ask ANYONE if they think graphics should be changed. People who still play actively are less emo from people who just forum actively.

I don't doubt you have spent more time playing d2 than I, hell I am more of a fan of d1 than d2 anyway. and among a few of my friends who I asked about the trailer, one said it looked a bit too much like WoW, one said "why is it all green" etc. You and I both know that among those "7 million" there will be those who love the graphics, those who don't really care so long as it "looks good" and those that don't like the cartoony nature. You cant argue about people who aren't here, I remember going through some of the d3 forums before any news was released and the countless "omg, what if d3 looked like WoW, could anything worse happen to diablo" type threads. This was an issue before any media was even released.

Hunter, that Poll is hardly going to be very acurate, of course most of this forum is going to buy the game, that has no relation to whether or not they are happy about how it looks.