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[Jinnified]

Kenzai said:

Not all Indian, Chinese and Japanese people are Buddhists. ;P

Seriously though, it emerged in India (you know, the guy named Siddharta Buddha found it) and seemingly it spread to the east quickly.

I think the traditional religion in Japan is Shintoism or something, where you believe that every object in nature has a spirit.

And China? No idea. I'll Wiki that now. (And all above i wrote also comes from Wiki knowledge. =P)

oh sure, I knew Buddhism is orginated form India. But it's the most popular religion in China, not india, 60% of India ppl follows Hinduism. China and Japan has their own religion or not necessary so called religion, it's more close to a sort of teaching and guiding system.

[Jinnified]

emilemil1 said:

It is not logical or possible for the Monk to be a buddhist.

Gods do exist in Buddhism, in a way.
The highest beeing you can be reborn into is the Devas. Devas translates to Gods. They are not like western religion gods though. They are not immortal, omniscient or omnipotent. They are simply beeings like humans.

But I would say that there is no God in buddhism. There is a definition to the word God and it is a beeing that controls something or is a personification of a force. You can't just take a western religion word, change the definition of it and say that it fits with Buddhism, because it don't.

I am Chinese, I think in this matter, I know that more than you do
1. In Buddhism, there are Buddas, and loads of them, in terms of translation, they are not God, they are Budda just to differenciate from the reference "God" that cathico system is using. And Buddas a immortal
2. As you can see the class Monk in the game, his dressing and accessories are very close to a typical Chinese Monk.
3. Do more study on the subjuct if you want
4. If it really hurts to admit there is a Chinese Monk in D3, then don't even looking into the subject, and oh, that girl wizard in D3? looks like an asian as well

[Ophion]

Bashiok has already said that the Monk is inspired by real life eastern monks, but with some eastern european looks to it. It is in no way a buddhist... This is Sanctuary, not Earth. Don't be irrational and think that they suddently created a character from Earth with asian lore... They look like asians because they are inspired by Asia. The lore is already existing for the class, it isn't a Buddhist or from China...

But it sure looks like one :)

And I can't find any search results on "Buddas". I searched for "immortality" on Wikipedia and found this.

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Buddhism teaches that physical immortality is neither a path to enlightenment, nor an attainable goal: even the gods which can live for eons eventually die.

Wikipedia says on many different articles that Devas are the only beeings that can be called gods. And Devas is often translated to God. Here is a quote.

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While many Buddhist traditions do not deny the existence of supernatural beings (e.g., the devas, of which many are discussed in Buddhist scripture), it does not ascribe powers, in the typical Western sense, for creation, salvation or judgement, to the "gods". They are regarded as having the power to affect worldly events in much the same way as humans and animals have the power to do so. Just as humans can affect the world more than animals, devas can affect the world more than humans. While gods may be more powerful than humans, none of them are absolute (unsurpassed). Most importantly, gods, like humans, are also suffering in samsara, the ongoing cycle of death and subsequent rebirth.

I'm assuming this is somewhat true. But it also says this.

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The Pali Canon also attributes supernatural powers to enlightened beings (Buddhas), that even gods may not have. In a dialogue between king Ajatasattu and the Buddha, enlightened beings are ascribed supranormal powers (like human flight, walking on water etc.), clairaudience, mind reading, recollection of past lives of oneself and others.

I can still not find anything that is remotely close to the definition of "God". I have also not seen any information about immortality.

This is also interesting.

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But more than that, the Buddha adopted here a radical viewpoint on the basic tendency of the human mind to posit a God or a governor. Humans tend to look for a governor or a God primarily because of his fundamental need for protection and self-preservation. This lack of security and human weakness was according to the Buddha, the root cause that inspires humans to posit a God. In Buddhism, it is precisely because of this clinging to self and the need for self-preservation that we conceive a self, a soul or a super-soul. It is the proximal cause of ignorance and the root cause of clinging, thus binding us to samsara.

I don't understand all of those words, but I think the buddha says that believing in god(s) binds you to samsara.

I know I'm using the unreliable wikipedia as a source, but this is the best I can do atm.

[ROY_VEDA]

The Monk will be a hybrid class between Assassins and Paladins. Good riddance to both underplayed classes, I say.

[Musica]

I'm not much of a battle.net player but I thought the Paladin was a very overplayed character due to the hammerdin build and its numerous advantages, no?

[Kenzai]

The Hammerdin build was overused from what i know.

But that's a technical issue ... the Pala won't return anyway.

[Diablo Frog]

The Monk looks awesome in the vids!  I think as it stands now my first character will be the Monk or the Witch Doctor!

[liquid]

Now that I think about it, most of the monk gameplay was like 80% of what I expected the assassin in D2 to be when I first heard about it. I kidna miss that class now, it was to me the one that could have been improved the most, especially in 3d with the new gameplay possibilities and technology. It was also the coolest-looking class after the necro.

[AuraofMana]

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Bashiok has already said that the Monk is inspired by real life eastern monks, but with some eastern european looks to it.

I bet they only did that so there is no argument of "Omg, there are more Asians than other races in this game".  It sounds stupid people would say things like this, but I am pretty sure it's going to happen.

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It is in no way a buddhist... This is Sanctuary, not Earth. Don't be irrational and think that they suddently created a character from Earth with asian lore... They look like asians because they are inspired by Asia. The lore is already existing for the class, it isn't a Buddhist or from China...

We never said they were Buddhists... we just said they were INSPIRED by Buddhists.  We said the Monk was Chinese because he is pretty much what a typical Shaolin monk looks like.  Obviously a video game character isn't from real life...

Now that I think about it, the Wizards have traditional Chinese dresses (Tang Dynasty).  I am Chinese, and I am finding it weird 1/2 of the already released classes are Chinese-inspired.  Diablo has always been such a western fantasy O_O

Also, something to note... the female Monk (the screenshot from Blizzcon... someone find me a link :P) is actually what a female Taoist looks like.

Maybe it's the huge market in China :P

[Ophion]

AuraofMana said:

We never said they were Buddhists...

Jinnified said:

Monk is apparently Chinese Buddhism follower

Jinni said it :P

[AuraofMana]

The whole point of the "we" in that sentence is that, if I am wrong, then it's their fault because I can't control what they say.  However, if it's right, it's because me, and only me alone :D

[Valtonis]

i would prefer to think that the Monks in D3 are a religious organisation rather than a cultural/racial organisation.
which basically means that any race can be a monk, you just have to be a follower of their religion.
rather than be like the other classes where it is really more of a cultural organisation stemming from the culture and race form the area of origin

[Kenzai]

Valtonis said:

i would prefer to think that the Monks in D3 are a religious organisation rather than a cultural/racial organisation.
which basically means that any race can be a monk, you just have to be a follower of their religion.
rather than be like the other classes where it is really more of a cultural organisation stemming from the culture and race form the area of origin

Yeah, i'm actually not too sure about the Monk but i get what you mean.
The Wizard for example is exactly like that. That girl comes from Xiansai but really just learned her magic in Caldeum from the mage clans and these are unrelated with Xiansai...
(I made a post very similar to this in the fifth class thread.)

Now i also wonder if you have to be born as one of them to be a Monk, like it's with Barbarians, or if anyone can get one, like the Wizard?..
Actually it could also be like it's with the Witch Doctor. (They use magic that can (probably) be learned but it's still strictly a part of their culture.) But i don't know if the WDs would teach their magic to strangers...

[luc1027]

Oh no !!! I don't want the monk replacing paladin !! except if the monk has aura or something that give bonus to others players. I think it's a big part of the gameplay !!

Any characters should have something like aura, it's create a cooperative gameplay and many possibility of build. :)

[SFJake]

luc1027 said:

Oh no !!! I don't want the monk replacing paladin !! except if the monk has aura or something that give bonus to others players. I think it's a big part of the gameplay !!

Any characters should have something like aura, it's create a cooperative gameplay and many possibility of build. :)

Its funny how I strongly disagree with you, yet I want the Paladin back, -seriously- NOT for Auras, however.

Auras gives absolutely nothing to cooperative gameplay, except "Paladins with auras are too useful". Yeah, right. Bring Paladins in D2 and they give you more than most other classes. Broken, right there.

In my opinion, all class should bring as much as each other to a party.

Other than that, I really wish I had a Paladin instead of a Monk, too. I'm just not in love with the freak show we have and no normal guy like the Paladin yet.

[luc1027]

SFJake said:

Its funny how I strongly disagree with you, yet I want the Paladin back, -seriously- NOT for Auras, however.

Auras gives absolutely nothing to cooperative gameplay, except "Paladins with auras are too useful". Yeah, right. Bring Paladins in D2 and they give you more than most other classes. Broken, right there.

In my opinion, all class should bring as much as each other to a party.

Other than that, I really wish I had a Paladin instead of a Monk, too. I'm just not in love with the freak show we have and no normal guy like the Paladin yet.

When I say cooperative gameplay I mean : (exemple) You active an "fire damage %bonus aura" with a friend who planned to build a fire sorc. I choose a simple exemple but I think they have many exemples more complex. And depending of situations you change aura.

When you say "except "Paladins with auras are too useful". Yeah, right. Bring Paladins in D2 and they give you more than most other classes. Broken, right there."

I know Paladin in d2 is completly not balanced, I never said I want that and even less I wanted a classe who overpowered others class.

I'm agree with you when you said: "In my opinion, all class should bring as much as each other to a party."

Yes but each class should bring something equally and something different from each others. To make a whole who each bring her own EQUALLY.

Thanks