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Well that was a completely unhelpful video.

Choosing a class based off the current PTR leaderboards is so misleading to the majority of players. The differences at the top aren't likely to affect most of them, nor are what they can clear indicative of the sort of specific gear, playstyle, and luck in fishing needed compared to others. This patch more than any other patch really does allow you to pick any class and any relatively balanced build and do well.

What people will let you into groups with to play is a whole 'nother story, of course, since that's based off public perception.

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Well that was a completely unhelpful video.

Choosing a class based off the current PTR leaderboards is so misleading to the majority of players. The differences at the top aren't likely to affect most of them, nor are what they can clear indicative of the sort of specific gear, playstyle, and luck in fishing needed compared to others. This patch more than any other patch really does allow you to pick any class and any relatively balanced build and do well.

What people will let you into groups with to play is a whole 'nother story, of course, since that's based off public perception.

Give this guy a cookie!

he says " solo player barb, wiz, crusaders are best in leaderboards"

last time i checked every solo leaderboard is within the same class, thus

there IS NO BETTER class playing solo on leaderboards..

There is however might be better classes for farming.

EX: WD might be best for solo key farming because of speed. ETC ETC..

The video is horrible because it's rhykker. Hes a noob making videos for other noobs. Game has been out how long now, and he managed to only get Paragon 600s. Shoots any credibility he has down the drain.

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The video is horrible because it's rhykker. Hes a noob making videos for other noobs. Game has been out how long now, and he managed to only get Paragon 600s. Shoots any credibility he has down the drain.

How many paragon levels do you need to have in order to know what you are talking about? How many thousands of elite kills do you need to be worthy of opening your mouth? Can you give us a breakdown of the math involved?

Any big streamer should be at a minimum of P900. It shows he/she has the hours played, and has the capacity of high tier gameplay, which results in higher tier builds and videos. He clearly spends more time making videos than he does playing the game. Anyone can come on this website and take a build and make a vid on it with a bit of your own spin on it.

This is why I find streamers like Quinn, Chainer, Mikhail, Debo, Anthony, Jmacc to be more credible because they are in the top tiers of gameplay, with the builds and gear to show for it.

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The video is horrible because it's rhykker. Hes a noob making videos for other noobs. Game has been out how long now, and he managed to only get Paragon 600s. Shoots any credibility he has down the drain.

How many paragon levels do you need to have in order to know what you are talking about? How many thousands of elite kills do you need to be worthy of opening your mouth? Can you give us a breakdown of the math involved?

Having atleast 1k paragon minimum helps, Quinn69 has like 1800 now, but as long as you arent playing monk you should be fine.
Barbarian: will always be needed due to the group Ignore pain buff (50% dmg reduction is huge), zdps can group mobs, provide health globes debuff targets and of course provide dmg reduction
Wizard: great group play via twisters, highest dmg potential it seems out of all classes// great at solo as well.
DH: similar to the wizard, dhs will be needed for groups and solo play
Crusader: not really needed as much for groups, still has potential for a slot in groups but it really depends on whether WD is better.
WD: tons of group buffs, not many doing solo play, its difficult to see if HT will lag players in group, if it does WDs might be out for groups unless they go dart doc.
my answer would be Wiz>DH>BARB>WD=CRUS for the best classes.
monk is dogshit since they nerfed static into garbage, TR cold builds need a ton of rng for 13 perf ancient items. i wouldnt bother.

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The video is horrible because it's rhykker. Hes a noob making videos for other noobs. Game has been out how long now, and he managed to only get Paragon 600s. Shoots any credibility he has down the drain.

How many paragon levels do you need to have in order to know what you are talking about? How many thousands of elite kills do you need to be worthy of opening your mouth? Can you give us a breakdown of the math involved?

Having atleast 1k paragon minimum helps, Quinn69 has like 1800 now, but as long as you arent playing monk you should be fine.
Barbarian: will always be needed due to the group Ignore pain buff (50% dmg reduction is huge), zdps can group mobs, provide health globes debuff targets and of course provide dmg reduction
Wizard: great group play via twisters, highest dmg potential it seems out of all classes// great at solo as well.
DH: similar to the wizard, dhs will be needed for groups and solo play
Crusader: not really needed as much for groups, still has potential for a slot in groups but it really depends on whether WD is better.
WD: tons of group buffs, not many doing solo play, its difficult to see if HT will lag players in group, if it does WDs might be out for groups unless they go dart doc.
my answer would be Wiz>DH>BARB>WD=CRUS for the best classes.
monk is dogshit since they nerfed static into garbage, TR cold builds need a ton of rng for 13 perf ancient items. i wouldnt bother.

Okay now without disagreeing with what you said (since I'm sure you know way more about high end content than me)

How many of the people who need to be told what to play do you think any of that will actually effect? The sort of players who can even consider 13 perf ancient items tend not to need to be told what to do with them. I'd be willing to bet that none of the people coming to the site screaming "omg what is best this season what do i play" are ever going to get p1000 or gr80, nor are they going to do rifts with the mentality of fish for the right composition and then carefully group and herd enemies up. They'll just go into whatever rift and murder everything in sight (which is what I do, because it's fun.)

The thing is this means they can pretty much play anything and get the same sorts of results that they would with anything else, because all the classes are so balanced at a mid level now.

It'd be great if we could highlight just how many options there are now for average players, instead of trying to herd them all into a top level meta that should never really affect them or their midrange groups (but will, because the experts told them it did.)

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Well that was a completely unhelpful video.

Choosing a class based off the current PTR leaderboards is so misleading to the majority of players. The differences at the top aren't likely to affect most of them, nor are what they can clear indicative of the sort of specific gear, playstyle, and luck in fishing needed compared to others. This patch more than any other patch really does allow you to pick any class and any relatively balanced build and do well.

What people will let you into groups with to play is a whole 'nother story, of course, since that's based off public perception.

What other metric do you think he should have based a video which he clearly stated as speculative on? The season hasn't started yet, he just put something out to help folks get a feel for what the meta looks like based on what's happening in the ptr.

I don't even know what season journey is lol.

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Well that was a completely unhelpful video.

Choosing a class based off the current PTR leaderboards is so misleading to the majority of players. The differences at the top aren't likely to affect most of them, nor are what they can clear indicative of the sort of specific gear, playstyle, and luck in fishing needed compared to others. This patch more than any other patch really does allow you to pick any class and any relatively balanced build and do well.

What people will let you into groups with to play is a whole 'nother story, of course, since that's based off public perception.

What other metric do you think he should have based a video which he clearly stated as speculative on? The season hasn't started yet, he just put something out to help folks get a feel for what the meta looks like based on what's happening in the ptr.

I started to write up a super long reply to this, but it got to the point where I decided to turn it into a thread:

http://www.diablofans.com/forums/diablo-iii-general-forums/diablo-iii-general-discussion/142795-what-do-i-play-in-2-4-summary here's a summary using several different metrics. If you think it's garbage, feel free to say so and suggest how it would be improved.

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The video is horrible because it's rhykker. Hes a noob making videos for other noobs. Game has been out how long now, and he managed to only get Paragon 600s. Shoots any credibility he has down the drain.

How many paragon levels do you need to have in order to know what you are talking about? How many thousands of elite kills do you need to be worthy of opening your mouth? Can you give us a breakdown of the math involved?

Pretty sure that person didn't open their mouth to type.

Yea, I wish he would've said something about how this could totally change between now and the release, and is dependent on personal playstyle before misleading players.......

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Pretty sure that person didn't open their mouth to type.

I lol'ed imagining the guy with his mouth open everytime he's typing something

I'm imagining the Xenomorph's 2nd mouth popping out to type.

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The video is horrible because it's rhykker. Hes a noob making videos for other noobs. Game has been out how long now, and he managed to only get Paragon 600s. Shoots any credibility he has down the drain.

How many paragon levels do you need to have in order to know what you are talking about? How many thousands of elite kills do you need to be worthy of opening your mouth? Can you give us a breakdown of the math involved?

He's right though. Rhykker is a BIG noob. And, what he does makes him an even bigger noob. He comes on here or looks at the PTR LBs, takes what other people have come up with, makes a video, and passes it off like he had some hand in it. He doesn't understand what makes what he's talking about "good", he just copies.

Now I really don't have a problem with someone using and/or making a video about a build they didn't create, but the guy acts like he did all the work.

To answer your question, I would say at minimum 800. At least have your paragon tabs finished if you're going to make videos entitled "pro tricks" ffs. Rhykker talks about leaderboards and high level Grifts etc..., he's never seen the leaderboard, and if he's been in a high level Grift he was carried. Anyone has the right to open their mouths, but what Rhykker does is fake the funk. He's as casual as they come fronting as a pro with the 2000% drop buff.
Here's how this video should've gone: Hi kiddos, play what you want and have fun, until next time this is Rhykker.... Or, just recap the "highlighted" builds for this season, and say pick whichever looks the most appealing noobcakes...

basically any class aside from monk is fine, monk is ok for lower grifts and TX but it gets really crappy later on

most people even casuals were doing 60-70s in 2.3, we can assume the same for 2.4, now because of that every class other than monk is quite fine for teamplay, barbs are required for ignore pain buff though. your other 3 slots are up to you. most likely will be Zbarb, DH, and a Wiz with the last slot being Wd or Crusader.