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LMFAO it's a beta none of you have access to but you're so mad about the changes you're threatening to not play parts of RoS.

Calm down. All 5 bounties still give a big reward.


Also Blizzard please release the beta, at the very least let's see the 2.0 PTR

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LMFAO it's a beta none of you have access to but you're so mad about the changes you're threatening to not play parts of RoS.

Calm down. All 5 bounties still give a big reward.


Also Blizzard please release the beta, at the very least let's see the 2.0 PTR

Right on, :-)

And yeah, December is right around the corner...possibility of a PTR before the end of the year...still up in the air, far as I'm concerned!

They are experimenting with the bounty/rift reward balance. It's a beta, and it's safe to say that the rewards for these will be changing a lot over time based on feedback and data collected from testers.

Giving a greater reward for a rift is a solid plan. Completing all 5 bounties still gives a big cache, and it wouldn't surprise me if the small caches made a return in a "less rewarding" state in a later patch.

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It's good for the game if Bounties are just rewarding enough to be worth doing, and no more. If the Bounty reward is too much then killing monsters feels bad in comparison - you're encouraged to do the absolute minimum completion goal of each Bounty and then get out of there as fast as possible to speedrun the next one. Bounties are ultimately just an excuse to get people into new zones doing new things, there's no need for them to be the primary source of all exp and loot.

No one does quests just for the gold/exp rewards, it's the same thing really. It's pointless. And I'm struggling to see who needs 100k gold per bounty if you're smart and have saved up billions of gold already.

You still get a Greater Cache every 5 bounties, and Rift Keys I assume, which might be enough in and of itself. If they see that people are skipping Bounties then they'll buff it until that stops. There's no reason to be so cynical, Blizzard isn't going to let one of its flagship features go unused.

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All in all, I'd rather see valuable players (like MVPs) test the beta before streamers take it out to the public. They should also focusing more on demanding feedback from the beta testers and make it clear that the test realm is for testing.

I have to agree here. Mainly because I feel like I'm guilty of this to some extent. I'm not a streamer, but when D3 does a PTR round, I don't tend to submit any problems, I tend to just use it as a chance to preview.

I'd rather have them allow PTR access to people who might give really constructive criticisms, BUT when they do give that criticism, it's directly to CMs or devs in real time, like a chat channel or something along those lines.

That way it's direct feedback, and not "blues, check out my post!:

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And actually, no. The thing with those rings is that they may mitigate ONE type of damage, but they often leave out things like All Res, which can mitigate ALL damage. The Wyrdward pictured in the news section...Strength, Vitality, Crushing Blow, Cooldown Reduction, +XP, and Fire Immunity...no All Res. The Tall Man's Finger...Black Damage, Dex, Life Per Hit, Crowd Control Reduction, Cold Immunity...no All Res. You could equip BOTH of those, and you know what? You get a Thunderstorm Plagued elite pack? You're pretty screwed.

That's the idea behind those rings. You find one of those rings with the right mainstat, with some extra damage stats, and the one element protection that fumbles you the most? It'd be perfect. But if you have on two rings with All Res, you may take damage, but you're reducing it from all sources. Choosing one of these immunities isn't OP. Hell, choosing TWO isn't even OP. The amount of All Res you're sacrificing, especially with Loot 2.0 numbers, is pretty significant.

All in all, it's a tradeoff. I have NO problem with items THAT powerful being in the game...maybe they should just be really hard to get. Drop from only some extremely rare monsters that are buffed considerably in the power department so they're not easy to kill. But I really don't think things of that particular nature make the game trivial.

Removing theses rings was the right thing to do. You do realise you could swap to fire imunity ring when there was an annoying elite, and then swap to your dps ring for trash mobs, right? Blizzard hate item swapping, one of the reason they implemented paragon leves in the first place was to counter people swapping MF gear just before killing elite (which was boring and pretty much a chore to do). We're going in the right direction

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Removing theses rings was the right thing to do. You do realise you could swap to fire imunity ring when there was an annoying elite, and then swap to your dps ring for trash mobs, right? Blizzard hate item swapping, one of the reason they implemented paragon leves in the first place was to counter people swapping MF gear just before killing elite (which was boring and pretty much a chore to do). We're going in the right direction

To answer your question...yes, I do realize that. And trust me, I was all for the Paragon/NV approach to get people away from swapping both MF gear and skills per battle. I'll grant you all that.

However, honestly...so many people in this game chase after DPS boosts like watching "bumblebee soccer." You ever see how little kids play soccer? They don't play zones, they don't play strategically, they just all chase the ball around because they think "having the ball" is the only way to play. Same as the people who only care about DPS. Sure, they could get a whole set of immunity rings, but unless they get some level of "trifecta" roll on all those rings, they stand to lose a TON of damage in a swap. Think about how much higher affix rolls will be in Loot 2.0 and the expansion. That could be a significant damage drop.

Then, think about efficiency. Sure, equipping an immunity ring would get them a lot of survivability during a swap...but their efficiency may grind to a friggin halt if they're typically farming on high enough difficulty levels. And for one elite pack/monster? Would that really be worth it?

Not to mention, if they're already wearing a legendary in that slot! That could be disastrous. What happens if the legendary effect they lose in a swap, kills their build? That's kinda the nice thing about legendaries having these powerful effects. It's not just meant to give us cooler stuff to find from drops, it's also to get people thinking harder about what effects they want, and to make harder decisions on what makes their build work the way THEY want it to, AND the most efficiently. Some builds will HANG on them as a foundation. Unless you're using a build that's versatile enough to simply drop a single powerful legendary effect temporarily? Swapping won't happen nearly as much as you think because of that.

I guess one possible tactic people could use would be to reserve one ring slot for a Rare ring. That way, they may lose damage or extra stats, but their build doesn't change wildly. Still doesn't change the fact that the damage drop may not be tempting enough to swap, even momentarily.

I mean, what would be the other option if they want to get around the damage drop? They swap only when the fire damage puts them in danger, they swap the ring on, heal, then swap the ring out, then they get into danger, swap the ring back on...really seems like a clunky process to me.

You raise a good point about swapping, not one I hadn't thought of, but...I really doubt this would be much of an issue.