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If blizzard does this often enough... it won't be that bad. They just need to ban gold sellers before they hit $60 earned back. Even if they are able to sell enough to earn $55... eventually it will become unprofitable when they keep getting banned.

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If blizzard does this often enough... it won't be that bad. They just need to ban gold sellers before they hit $60 earned back. Even if they are able to sell enough to earn $55... eventually it will become unprofitable when they keep getting banned.

I was under the impression that many of the botters used compromised accounts...meaning they don't repurchase the game, they just steal more accounts.

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If blizzard does this often enough... it won't be that bad. They just need to ban gold sellers before they hit $60 earned back. Even if they are able to sell enough to earn $55... eventually it will become unprofitable when they keep getting banned.

I was under the impression that many of the botters used compromised accounts...meaning they don't repurchase the game, they just steal more accounts.

me too, but some are obviously bought as the battle tag is agkskgsfs, and some are normal names.

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If blizzard does this often enough... it won't be that bad. They just need to ban gold sellers before they hit $60 earned back. Even if they are able to sell enough to earn $55... eventually it will become unprofitable when they keep getting banned.

I was under the impression that many of the botters used compromised accounts...meaning they don't repurchase the game, they just steal more accounts.

me too, but some are obviously bought as the battle tag is agkskgsfs, and some are normal names.

they don't steal accounts for the most part... most people that are hacked don't end up losing their accounts... they lose all their items and possibly characters.

Those particular hackers just steal items and sell them to get gold rather than botting the actual gold.

After I saw this, I hopped over to a hacking/botting site I know of - lots of people got banned for botting programs, but what is awesome is that they also got banned for scripting programs which they assumed that "Blizzard would never ban for".

That restores a lot of my confidence in their ability to detect and prevent botting.

Of course the first banwave was going to come before the RMAH opened. I wouldn't doubt if they let it continue as long as possible to try and test detection methods.

I'm sure that many are using the mercenary bug for Diablo for instance. And if you ask me, it's an exploit (if MF is counted) that if you start Diablo-fight with MF, change for DPS gear, and then back to MF again once he is in his death animation.

I totally agree. They should do something about gear switching when a boss/elite is about to die.

they should probably flag any accounts that have over 100 million gold for investigation to ensure legitmacy- those could be the ones that are storing the farmed/botted/hacked gold and have the potential to ruin the game economy.

Wait, you're saying it should be an exploit to put on MF gear right before a boss dies? You realize you're risking getting one shot most of the time when you put on MF gear that usually has horrible stats. That's about the worst explaination for something to be an exploit ever. If you call that an exploit, you need to call any gear swapping while in combat an exploit.

The probably with this is why did they wait so long? The economy in the game is already screwed unless your been farming since day one. They should look at anyone that has over a certain amount of gold that wouldn't be possible if they played the game legit.

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Wait, you're saying it should be an exploit to put on MF gear right before a boss dies? You realize you're risking getting one shot most of the time when you put on MF gear that usually has horrible stats. That's about the worst explaination for something to be an exploit ever. If you call that an exploit, you need to call any gear swapping while in combat an exploit.

Have you ever killed Diablo? You have like 20 seconds (or so) to change gear before he is really dead, and no risk at all to die. And that fight is what I meant from the very first post here. Dont just read my last post, you might miss the very first one.
And tbh, how retarded is it to open inventory, rightclick a few stuff and then give a killing-blow?
If they want this a possibility, then make a quickswitch for it, not a retarded clicky-clicky-way from inventory.......

And there are really nice MF gear out there, you just have to throw out gold to get them. Sure, you lose one stat, but gain MF.
It's meant to be hard to get the really good stuff, not a skill of gearswapping for "you put on MF gear that usually has horrible stats".

Kill Diablo with decent MF-gear, change one piece at a time, move slowly from none up to 100, 200...300 MF.
You will get the good stuff sooner or later.

It was brought up on the previous post, but just make it so loot is determined when he changes phases at the 5%, rather than when he dies.

Swapping gear is a huge risk on elite/rare packs and normal bosses, but the few bosses (such as Diablo) that allow you to do it with no risk makes it seem like an exploit.

Throwing around the word "exploit" to describe manually swapping your magic find gear is just stupid.

It's a completely obvious part of gameplay that has existed in D2 and D3. Whether or not it is a GOOD GAMEPLAY CONCEPT or whether it is FAIR IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS is entirely different, but it is never an exploit.

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After I saw this, I hopped over to a hacking/botting site I know of - lots of people got banned for botting programs, but what is awesome is that they also got banned for scripting programs which they assumed that "Blizzard would never ban for".

That restores a lot of my confidence in their ability to detect and prevent botting.

So the hacking community is dumb?

Anything that repeats a looping, constant pattern is so....... so easy to detect....

I didn't know hackers were in a delusional world where only .exe interacting with the game directly can be detected.

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After I saw this, I hopped over to a hacking/botting site I know of - lots of people got banned for botting programs, but what is awesome is that they also got banned for scripting programs which they assumed that "Blizzard would never ban for".

That restores a lot of my confidence in their ability to detect and prevent botting.

So the hacking community is dumb?

Anything that repeats a looping, constant pattern is so....... so easy to detect....

I didn't know hackers were in a delusional world where only .exe interacting with the game directly can be detected.

They're cocky because they've gotten away with shit that they never should have gotten away with and they've assumed it was Blizzard being incompetent.

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Where does it say thousands ?

We recently issued a round of account suspensions and bans to several thousand Diablo® III players

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Throwing around the word "exploit" to describe manually swapping your magic find gear is just stupid.

It's a completely obvious part of gameplay that has existed in D2 and D3. Whether or not it is a GOOD GAMEPLAY CONCEPT or whether it is FAIR IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS is entirely different, but it is never an exploit.

I still hope they will do something about it. Like saying "Sorry guys, this do not work. You need MF gear the entire fight to benefit it."
Some classes benefit this way of "playstyle" ALOT more than others *cough*ranged*cough* not to mention wizards or WD with their pets. "Then farm with some other class then!", hell no. Rather see a change than doing this boring type of playing.

Kiting is boring, but it allows ranged to kill mobs with much worse gear than melee. How would you propose they fix this "imbalance"?

I understand that it sucks to be melee, but that's why they nerfed the group damage. Now you can sit back and swap MF gear while the ranged in your group finishes off the mobs. They may eventually fix gear swapping, but I'm guessing it's very low on the priority list. They'd also never be able to fix gear swapping on elite/champion packs. All you'd need to do is burn down the pack to 5%, purposely die, and run back and kill them with MF gear before the health resets.

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me too, but some are obviously bought as the battle tag is agkskgsfs, and some are normal names.

you know their language? you must be one of them!

Took twenty-eight days until the ban wave. Not bad, but I wish it could've been done even sooner.

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If blizzard does this often enough... it won't be that bad. They just need to ban gold sellers before they hit $60 earned back. Even if they are able to sell enough to earn $55... eventually it will become unprofitable when they keep getting banned.

I was under the impression that many of the botters used compromised accounts...meaning they don't repurchase the game, they just steal more accounts.

If people were not idiots and got an authenticator for their accounts, no accounts would have been compromised. The mobile one is even for free.

Yet there are people out there crying they don't need an authenticator while they click any executable bullsh1t they just downloaded from a fishy porn site and what more, a few days later they are genuinely surprised when their account gets hacked and blame Blizzard for doing lousy job keeping their accounts safe.

I don't want to sound mean, but some people almost deserve getting hacked. Hopefully they're gonna learn a lesson. Hopefully.

Better to lose a battle.net account now, than a bank account later. Password protection and management should be tought in high schools these days.

Maybe I'm just backwards on all this, but personally, not only do I consider swapping to MF gear to NOT be an exploit, but I consider it to almost be intended, if not encouraged.

This isn't WoW, where swapping gear midway through a fight would break mechanics (IE, spirit regen, changing to or playing multiple roles, etc). This is Diablo, where you've been able to switch any piece of gear during any point in combat since it started way back when (especially in D2). Specifically with Diablo (the boss that is), I feel as though Blizz purposefully put in the "20 seconds of 'dead'" in order to encourage people to swap their gear out for MF - why else is it there? Blizz knows that the player base will be farming Diablo for months SPECIFICALLY for gear, and have said how they want to encourage trading between players too. So it's pretty easy to make the connection here. If they didn't intend for MF to be stacked, it wouldn't be in the game. This is 100% an example of "clever use of game mechanics" - nothing is being exploited, you're simply timing your DPS in order to swap gear (trading stats for stats) to maximize your chances at better profits. You're not somehow glitching the boss into giving you better gear or killing him in a certain way...you're just using the tools that are available in the most legitimate and intentional way.

Switching to MF isn't breaking anything. All it does is means that you sacrifice stats in order to gain a greater CHANCE at items. People still have to kill the bosses fair and square.