System Changes

UPDATE: Bashiok has posted on the forums regarding the system changes, Posts added to bottom.

Diablo 3 System Changes
The anticipated System Changes have finally come in! Here's a quick summary of the changes:
  • Scrolls of Identification are gone - players can now identify rares/legendary items without them.
  • Button '5' is now dedicated to potions.
  • The Mystic artisan has now been removed from the game.
  • The Cauldron of Jordan and Nephalem Cube have been removed.
  • The Stone of Recall is now a button at the bottom and has been renamed "Town Portal".
  • The Blacksmith is now responsible for salvaging players' items.
  • Common (white colored) items are no longer salvageable.
  • Character Attributes have been changed. See below for details.
  • Character stats are now placed in the same place as the inventory panel and the old dedicated stats panel has been removed.

Official Blizzard Quote:






While working on Diablo III we've been called out for messing around with systems too much, that the game is good as-is and we should just release it. I think that's a fair argument to make, but I also think it's incorrect. Our job isn't just to put out a game, it's to release the next Diablo game. No one will remember if the game is late, only if it's great. We trust in our ability to put out a great game, but we're not quite there yet. In addition to finishing and polishing the content of the game we're continuing to iterate on some of the core game systems. So all that said, I'd like to provide everyone an update on some of the systems we're currently working on.

We’re changing some of the systems we’ve gotten the most feedback on both internally and from the beta test, including crafting, items, core attributes, and inventory. We’ll go over those changes and the reasons for them. In addition we’re working on major changes to the skill and rune systems that we’re not ready to talk about, but I promise you we can’t possibly ship without a finished skill and rune system. :)

Let’s start off small: Scrolls of Identification are no longer in the game. Unidentified items and the act of identifying them is still very much part of the game, but now when obtaining an unidentified item you'll simply right click it, a short cast timer will occur as your character examines the item, and it will become identified. We love the double-discovery of finding a present and then unwrapping it, but we don't think it requires a physical item you have to find and keep in your bags to get the same effect. From now on you'll just be able to inherently identify all your items, no need to carry scrolls. Your character in Diablo III is just that badass now.

We’re also moving the fifth quick slot button, which is becoming a dedicated potion button. A dedicated potion button is something we went back and forth on throughout development. Recently it became apparent that players need to be aware of their potions for emergency situations. Our combat model doesn’t promote or even allow chugging potions in rapid succession, but they’re certainly useful when you run into a string of bad luck with health globes, or if you just get in over your head. This is one of our newest changes, so the button and mechanics don’t actually function in beta Patch 10, but that’s our intent and you’ll be seeing it supported in future beta updates.

The design team is currently looking at systems and cleaning them up, removing any superfluous system objectives and those that are beyond fixing. Thus, we're removing the Mystic artisan. As we look at the big picture, the Mystic simply wasn’t adding anything to our customization system. Enhancement was really just the socket and gem system with a different name, and it would prolong the release of the game even further to go back to the drawing board and differentiate it, so we’ll revisit the Mystic and enhancements at a later time. Removing her from the game took some time, but it’s nowhere near the efforts that would be required to flesh out a better customization system. We hope she’ll be able to join your caravan in the future, but for now we’re going to focus on the extensive customization options the game already offers.

We're also looking at systems we’ve created and making sure that the rationale that brought us to these designs still makes sense. The Stone of Recall, for instance, has a short cast time and allows you to return to town. Early on we said we wouldn't have town portals, as they introduced too many combat exploits, but we were able to resolve them. Because we have the Stone of Recall, though, we began to evaluate systems that were originally implemented to deal with the exclusion of town portals.

So we've decided to remove the Cauldron of Jordan and Nephalem Cube. They were implemented to allow for salvaging and selling items when there was no quick and easy way to return to town. Now that the Stone of Recall exists, we found that keeping the Cauldron and Cube in the game detracted from the benefits of returning to town to sell items, salvage, craft, and interact with the townsfolk. It’s a good idea to break up combat so that players have a moment to evaluate their gear and crafting options before venturing back out. In addition, we've decided to just call it what it is and the Stone of Recall is now Town Portal, and is integrated directly onto the skill bar UI.




The Blacksmith artisan will now salvage items. With removal of the Cube we needed some mechanic in town that allowed you to salvage your items, and it just makes sense for the Blacksmith to offer it.






One other important change is that common (white) items will no longer be salvageable. We found that it caused a few itemization issues, but mostly this is due to a general philosophy shift on the importance of items. Previously, our thinking was that when an item dropped it should always be useful to you in some way, either the stats could be an improvement for you, or in the case of white items you could break it down and craft something better. Through a lot of play testing we have come full circle to the Diablo II methodology -- a lot of stuff that drops just isn’t worth picking up. Diablo II captured the loot piñata feel by dropping a lot of crap, mostly arrows and bolts, and we of course still very much want that feeling of item-explosions. To do that we need to be able to balance the value of items to how many we’re throwing at you.

This leads us to the last change I'll be detailing today:

We're changing core character attributes to Strength, Dexterity, Intellect, and Vitality, and the benefits each stat provides is being broken down as:
  • Strength
    • Increases Barbarian damage
    • Increases Armor
  • Dexterity
    • Increases Demon Hunter damage
    • Increases Monk damage
    • Increases Dodge
  • Intellect
    • Increases Wizard and Witch Doctor damage
    • Increases Health gained from Health Globes
  • Vitality
    • Increases Max Health
We're dropping Defense, Attack, and Precision as attributes, Armor is taking over for what Defense used to provide, +Physical Resist will take over for Armor, and +Chance to Crit will fill in for Precision. Obviously these stat changes are one of the bigger systems changes we're currently working on as they have far reaching requirements to re-itemize and balance the game.

This change makes the stats more intuitive and fixes some of the itemization issues we were running into. We want to make it clear that junk items aren’t worth picking up, and make it easy to identify other items as not for your character. We want to drop a ton of items, but to really pull off a sense of excitement when finding a great item, there needs to be non-optimal items, both for your class, and in general. By specifically targeting stats at classes, we can reduce the amount of item overlap, diversify our item pool, and create a cleaner, more exciting itemization system.

By and large these changes have little impact on which items you’re going to want. The item hunt has always been based on secondary stats and affixes, and we’re working hard to ensure build diversity is as large as possible by getting as many affixes into the game as possible (adding more item affixes is also something we’ve been working on). Simply including affixes that augment specific skills greatly expands the itemization pool and build possibilities.

Moving on, with the removal of the Cauldron of Jordan, Nephalem Cube, and by moving Town Portal to the skill panel, we're now displaying character stats directly on the inventory UI. Now you can see your stats go up and down as you try on different items. All the same info is available; we’re just streamlining the UI, making it more useful. It might seem insignificant but we're pleased with the results.




All of these are changes that will in one way or another be seen in the latest beta patch, and so we hope that those of you with access please try them out and let us know what you think in the Beta Feedback forum.

There’s a lot of work left to be done, though. We’re constantly tuning and making balance changes; it’s a massive task. Some of these changes can be seen in the beta, like changes to item rarity, the levels at which we introduce affixes, and how many affixes enemies can roll up. Some you can’t see in the beta, like balancing the difficulty of the entire game for four different difficulty levels, adding tons of new affixes, creating legendary items, filling out crafting recipes and itemization, working on achievements, and implementing Battle.net features. We’re also working on a number of other large systems changes -- specifically with the skill and rune systems. We're not quite ready to share what those are just yet, but we look forward to being able to do so in the near future.

We want Diablo III to be the best game it can be when it launches. To get there, we're going to be iterating on designs we've had in place for a long time, making changes to systems you've spent a lot of time theorycrafting, and removing features you may have come to associate with the core of the experience. Our hope is that by embracing our iterative design process in which we question ourselves and our decisions, Diablo III won't just live up to our expectations, but will continue to do so a decade after it's released.

Jay Wilson is game director for Diablo III and the Inventor of Meat. He believes that Kate Beckinsale is the greatest actress that’s ever lived.






Blue Posts
Bashiok as responded to acouple of clearifying questions about these system changes.


Official Blizzard Quote:



Keep in mind everything detailed in the article today is already in the game, and most of it is complete. Once you get Patch 10 and see that, I think it may sink in that these aren't theoretical changes we're still working on, they're changes we've completed. Obviously the potion button still needs a little work to hook it up correctly, and the character attribute changes need to be balanced and tested for itemization throughout the game, but overall these are changes we've already made.

I do not intend to impress that we're close to release, or infer any such "we're <-- this --> done" kind of statement, but most of these are fairly straightforward changes that are already complete and implemented. We do have more changes, skills and runes, affixes to add, more items, Battle.net features, testing, testing, and more testing etc. to do so we're obviously still not there yet, but none of the changes detailed today are theoretical or yet to be implemented. (Tracker / Forums)

It looks like these changes have been in the works for awhile now. Will the upcoming patch reflect these changes?
Yes, all of these changes are complete and will be present in beta Patch 10.

But white items still cost gold? Wont that make them worth something, making me to fill my inventory and later sell them in town
They'll sell for very little. It will quickly become apparent they're not worth the inventory space.

Why have items that are useless?
To make seeing a good item drop that much rarer/exciting.

Will the new Salvage method be included in the new patch?
Yup!

What about "upgrading" gems? since u removed the mystic, its not implemented anymore?
That's the Jeweler. :)

Jay's article says strength affects barbarian damage and dexterity, DH's etc... That's just core, rite? Weapons still add most?
Well there's the basic weapon damage, then if it has +Strength on it you *probably* wouldn't want that item as a wizard.

What if per chance the weapon damage is vastly superior? wouldn't that make sense to take it for secondary attribute?
Very possible! It won't always be an absolute "It has X I don't want it." You'll still need to evaluate.

Town Portal: Instant or cast?
It's the same as the Stone of Recall, just in a different spot with a new (old?) name. It's a 2 second cast I believe.

what? was just getting excited about stone of recall! U guys had me convinced that scrolls suck, and stones rock (no pun intended)
It's the same thing, we just moved it and renamed it.

Comments

  • #1 Xago
    Interesting read. I'm all for the changes they made and hopefully they can release the damn game soon
  • #2 Gekkeloko
    All this shit and nothing about runestone system , i'm just so f'n pissed off right now.
    Not expecting a release till Q2-3 at minimal.
  • #3 Gekkeloko
    All this shit and nothing about runestone system , i'm just so f'n pissed off right now.
  • #4 Tenhi
    Thanks for the News Post Molster.

    Aaaand am I the only one who doesnt like the Stats Change Oo? Imho it leads to things like "You are a Monk -> Dex/Vita" or "You are a Wiz -> Int/Vita"...

    Also if they moved the 5th Button to a Potion Button we only have 4 Buttons + Mouse? Hrm not sure if I like that... with only 4 Buttons you definitely cant put Buffpotions in your Bar (if they keept the Buffpotions xD)

    The whole Town Portal/Cauldron/Cube thing seems fine. Same with the Scroll. Then again I dont understand why the first say "We dont want to break your momentum" and now they take out the in-field salvaging/selling and force you to TP to sell/salvage your stuff... doesnt that break your momentum? They even say "It’s a good idea to break up combat so that players have a moment to evaluate their gear and crafting options before venturing back out."... doesnt that go directly against the "keep the momentum" thing?

    The Mystic is I dunno... meh? I have to say that I liked the Enchants... because there were more (and diffrent) Enchants than what the gems offer you. Because the gems have only 2 stats... one for the helmet and one for the rest. The Mystic had Enchants like +resource on XY and other intresting things. So I'm not sure where exactly they overlap so hard that they need to take the Mystic out of the game... they could have changed the +stats enchants... so that +stats is handeld by the Jewler and all the other things are handeld by the Mystic.
  • #5 Eldius
    Q2. Damn it.

    Nephalem Cube & Cauldron of Jordan: Not sure how I feel about this.

    The Mystic: Understandable, however I can't help but feel that the Jeweler is next on the chopping block.

    Fifth Quick Slot Button: Not necessary, but okay. I guess I can understand that reasoning.

    Stat Revisions: I really like this decision.

    Blacksmith & Salvaging: Makes sense.

    White Items & Salvaging: What good are they to have in game if they can't be enchanted or salvaged?

    Inventory UI: I like it.

    Stone of Recall: At this point, I would say it would be easier just to switch back to scrolls and add the (cannot be used while in combat) restriction.

    Scroll of Identification: This is the one thing I really disagree with. Only having to right click an item just doesn't feel right.
  • #6 bmiha
    I hate the part that they removed nephalem cube and cauldron of jordan ,now you'll need to go to town every 20 minutes when your inventory is full to interact with the townsfolk ,which is insanely interesting.

    They'll probably go back and forth with changes 3000 times until they release the game in approximately 20 years.
  • #7 AlucardIX
    One thing i don't like about the article(and therefore the changes),which is the only thing by the way,is that with so many changes a Q2 release becomes largely questionable.
  • #8 koz-D_III
    i like it all the more time they take the more bad ass it will be!
  • #9 SFJake
    Oh great. They removed yet another hotkey I could have used to avoid using a skill on the Left Mouse Button (nothing I hate more). You'd think through all there hundreds iterations they would at least, just once, add some hotkeys.
  • #10 bmiha
    I agree, we realized Q1 ain't gonna happen, but now ,it seems even Q2 release will happen only in wildest dreams
  • #11 crazydavea3
    Ugh. The only thing I really like is the stat revision. The other things are just them nitpicking the game apart. Surprised theres no update on the rune system. It's looking less and less likely I'll be able to play this game :(. I won't be able to play past mid September, I thought I would have half a year to play it at least... and I can't even get a damn beta key. Blizzard, I am dissapoint.
  • #12 Alcovitch
    Sigh. at this point it just seems like they are stuck in an "iterative process" looping phase. They can't make up their minds about ANYTHING. Games almost finished! lets go ahead and scrap half the systems and start over!

    Some of the changes just seems like needless nit picking.

    Summer or later at this point now.
  • #13 lorien1973
    Scroll of Identification: This is the one thing I really disagree with. Only having to right click an item just doesn't feel right.


    I agree. What's the point?

    The stat UI doesn't look at all like the WoW screen. Totally different. Really. Not copied at all. Queue the "Diablo is like wow" posts!

    Barbarians kinda got screwed with the stat changes, didn't they? Seems like they need Str/Dex/Vit and a little Intellect(?) - while other classes need maybe 2 at the most.

    Simply including affixes that augment specific skills greatly expands the itemization pool and build possibilities.


    This is totally awesome though. Love items with flavor!

    Summer or later at this point now.


    I smell christmas.
  • #14 Savages
    Glad they have been thinking about these things for 10 years. They're completely redesigning it ffs.

    They removed a few things, helping to make it come out sooner. But the things that they have CHANGED will push the game to Q2 or Q3 at least. Not happy about this at all. They really need to get their act together.
  • #15 InfamousGK
    Great news everyone!

    D3 is going to be more like D2 :) oh happy day! OH HAPPY DAY! But when will it come! ohhhhh when will it come!

    lol if they keep it like this I do not care how long it takes!

    I am sooooooooooo happy theyère making it less like WoW and more like... Diablo!
  • #16 Jack_in_the_box
    I think the removal of certain systems will actually help get this game out faster. Initially there is a bit of work to get the replacement systems in place, but when it comes to final polishing there will be less systems to balance.

    Here's hoping this means they will meet their "Early 2012" goal... but I'm a glass half full kind of guy.
  • #17 Forlornz
    Rofl.

    Now they have to change every stats on items, full re-balance the game. I'm generally not pessimistic, but HI Q2!
  • #18 Eldius
    One step forward, two steps back.
  • #19 Kalles
    Wouldn't it be cool if he in the middle of everything just wrote "Oh yeah, the game will be released 'this day'"?
    Then all of those "Omg, changes" whiners would not see the release date while the rest is dehydrating because they know when the game will be out?
  • #20 Vivecstel
    i really don t like these changes...
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