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Titan Quest had this, and it was a bless (no need to retrieve body). But it didn't mean death was just a minor setback, because the checkpoint was almost always at the entrance of the dungeon/level/area, and the tougher monsters/heavier mobs were always near the end, so dying meant long walks to get into the fight again.

Anyway, it was like Diablo 2, but without needing to run around like a chicken in order to get the body. It's good to see Diablo learning stuff from it's best clone.

That seems to be a fresh of breath air like that new direction they are heading good job Blizz!

I wish we had new info.

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Sorry, this is a bit of topic but when Makenshi compared the checkpoint system in the BlizzCon Demo to Titan Quest I remembered that I wondered how the damage dealt by a weapon/spell was displayed in Diablo 3. In Diablo II you had to be a brainiac if you wanted to know which weapon dealt most damage (with different attack speeds or castrate ...). Didn't Titans quest have a very nice system displaying average dmg/s ? It made gaming a lot easier. Does anyone know if average dmg/s will be displayed in D3?

It will be according to the weapons stats shown in the demo.

Since I usually play Hardcore, it's not much of an issue for me.
As long as I don't die.

I didn't like the previous system that was used in Diablo II. It was really annoying, especially when versing Nihlathak and you die on top of 5 corpses that he hasn't blown up yet. :mad:

When I played the Diablo III demo at Blizzcon 2008, the Checkpoint system was incredible.

Interesting - nice signature by the way LarryNC.

I, personally, liked the Diablo 2 way of dying. But knowing Blizzard, this should end up good anyways.

Knowledge of how to use a calculator?

You will still know the minimum and maximum damage as well as the intervals, of course - the DPS display doesn't conceal information, it gives you more information in plain sight without having to do the calculations yourself. Besides, all those modifiers you named do not change a weapon's DPS either way so you don't have a point. DPS is physical damage per second. Everything else that goes on top of that are variable elemental bonuses, passive bonuses from other gear, etc. D2 system merely gave you loose descriptions of a weapons speed and min/max damage. There was no way to know the overall effectiveness your weapon has in say, a bossfight, unless you test it yourself with a stopwatch.

More information, combat logs, things like that. More depth to the game.

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Man, this is giving me an idea. They should have like special death animations for Hardcore mode. Like, the monster totally pwns your body, then turns his head to the screen and points and laughs at you.
Maybe even like no death animation in Hardcore is ever going to be one you can also find in softcore, but all of them are more brutal, hilarious, and/or cooler.
Someone should mention this to Bashiok.

Lol if they did that I: would just make a char and die by every boss to see what they did

It could work...

i really REALLY dislike the checkpoint system... might as well make urself invincible as it basically gives you unlimited retries. i prefer having the aspect of having to go pick up your body as a good deterrent not to die.

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i really REALLY dislike the checkpoint system... might as well make urself invincible as it basically gives you unlimited retries. i prefer having the aspect of having to go pick up your body as a good deterrent not to die.

It gave such a bias to sorceress's though, and would continue to give bias to any character that relies on their weapons and armour (i.e. barbarian)

Could always save quit anyway

Quote from "pernunz" »

It gave such a bias to sorceress's though, and would continue to give bias to any character that relies on their weapons and armour (i.e. barbarian)

Could always save quit anyway

*Tries to imagine a naked sorceress without her Infinity and all here l33t gear trying to recover a corpse from a mass of Doom Knights Venom Lords in the Chaos Sanctuary, and Wraiths in the Chaos Sanctuary, but fails. *

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i really REALLY dislike the checkpoint system... might as well make urself invincible as it basically gives you unlimited retries. i prefer having the aspect of having to go pick up your body as a good deterrent not to die.

Most games do it and they're fine.

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i really REALLY dislike the checkpoint system... might as well make urself invincible as it basically gives you unlimited retries. i prefer having the aspect of having to go pick up your body as a good deterrent not to die.

How does the system in D2 not give you unlimited retries? Sure, the game apparently has problems handling more than 16 bodies in game at any one time, but that's a system limit, not a conscious design decision.

Besides, if you have to run from a checkpoint, it could be very much mroe irritating that just popping through the TP you opened after reaching Baal's Throneroom.

You who played the demo answer me this:

How low on health and mana you restart after death?
Does the penalty increase after several deaths?

Thanks.

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You who played the demo answer me this:

How low on health and mana you restart after death?
Does the penalty increase after several deaths?

Thanks.

well i didnt play the demo at blizzcon. (in minneapolis) if i was there. i dont think i would payed attention to those. but still those are good questions. also. since the game is in early development if someone who does post those statistics, it will probably be subject to change in the near future probably.

http://s3.gladiatus.us/game/c.php?uid=128584


this is amazing