0Monster Power Level Charts
Two members of our forum - POI5ON and KageKaze, have been busy compiling some info about Monster Power levels for bosses, and how their HP scales with each level. Here are their finding presented in charts by KageKaze, with HP info provided by POI5ON. Don't forget to check POI5ON's thread located here and KageKaze's one located right here, for much more detailed information and of course, lots of facts, theories and speculation!
Monster Power Level Videos
As if that wasn't enough KageKaze has also created 2 videos. The one below gives some detailed explanation of what is given as you increase Monster Power levels, while going around and displaying how his level 10 Wizard manages to go through Act 1 Cathedral. The videos are also originally from this topic.
The other video demonstrates his almost 7 minute fight with the Skeleton King.
Poll - Was the Nerf to the Hellfire Ring Justified?
Even though Blizzard have given some feedback on the subject, the nerf to the Hellfire Ring proc has been a hot debate in the Diablo community. What do you think? Was the nerf justified?
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#1 Travestychandler
Zakarumite
Posted 09 October 2012 - 03:29 AM
#2 UberMey
Zealot
Posted 09 October 2012 - 03:49 AM
I know that with MP1+ in Inferno all items will have ilvl63 affixes, but is there any change like this for items from Normal, NM and Hell??
Thanks
#3 GalZohar
Sexton
Posted 09 October 2012 - 03:55 AM
I think the "jump" to 63 is inferno-only, everywhere else is just the "normal" scaling like what you see in Act 3 inferno, so even if you beat hell at MP10 it still doesn't mean you're strong enough for act 1 inferno MP1 or even MP0.
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#4 t0luene
Zealot
Posted 09 October 2012 - 06:42 AM
+1
#5 Benegesserit
Cantor
Posted 09 October 2012 - 07:10 AM
#6 KageKaze
Cantor
Posted 09 October 2012 - 07:26 AM
I know that with MP1+ in Inferno all items will have ilvl63 affixes, but is there any change like this for items from Normal, NM and Hell??
Thanks
I can't say I noticed any real difference between what drops in lower difficulties when Monster Power is active. It didn't look all that different. The only noticable thing that did happen was Diablo in MP10 Hell mode dropped a iLvL 62 1h Crossbow for me and I could have sworn that Hell only dropped iLvL 61 at most. I could just be remembering incorrectly on that one.
I think the "jump" to 63 is inferno-only, everywhere else is just the "normal" scaling like what you see in Act 3 inferno, so even if you beat hell at MP10 it still doesn't mean you're strong enough for act 1 inferno MP1 or even MP0.
I have complied to your request, sir. The main thread has been updated with a line and bar graph for comparison. Here's the breakdown:
+1
Thank you.
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#7 venom1stas
Sexton
Posted 09 October 2012 - 08:04 AM
#8 Molster
Corrupted Chat Gem
Posted 09 October 2012 - 08:20 AM
Seeing as the poll links to http://www.diablofan...urs-blue-posts/ which talks about the 25k dps nerf, im sure people know.
#9 Xenocow
Sexton
Posted 09 October 2012 - 10:06 AM
Was the Nerf to the Hellfire Ring Justified?
YES !!!
By 99.5% ?
HELL NO !!!
#10 zwische
Faithful
Posted 09 October 2012 - 10:08 AM
Would be interesting to see how boss/monster damage scales with MP levels, but that info would probably be hard to get and could only be guessed
#11 UberMey
Zealot
Posted 09 October 2012 - 11:04 AM
I know that with MP1+ in Inferno all items will have ilvl63 affixes, but is there any change like this for items from Normal, NM and Hell??
Thanks
Well, then its only about exp and a little piece of mf then, well not bad anyways ... was expecting to farm good gear in HC on lower difficulties ... atm Im playing with some gears from lvl 30 and Im lvl50 still didnt find better kinda sux to farm ...
#12 lorien1973
Cantor
Posted 09 October 2012 - 12:39 PM
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All this video does is show it to be a complete waste of time for MP10 in normal. He took 7 minutes for 1 yellow and a blue? You can do that in any mode.
#13 Grimraven
Zakarumite
Posted 09 October 2012 - 01:20 PM
How are people agreeing with a nerf more than not???
I think Blizzard finally succeeded in brainwashing people.
#14 Cor7ez88
Faithful
Posted 09 October 2012 - 01:39 PM
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All this video does is show it to be a complete waste of time for MP10 in normal. He took 7 minutes for 1 yellow and a blue? You can do that in any mode.
maaaan...are you serious with this?
MP10 in normal is to level faster, imo very usefull if you want to start a new char.
#15 KageKaze
Cantor
Posted 09 October 2012 - 03:13 PM
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All this video does is show it to be a complete waste of time for MP10 in normal. He took 7 minutes for 1 yellow and a blue? You can do that in any mode.
The point of playing in MP10 normal (or any other lower difficulty) is not for efficency, it's for challenge. You will get more efficient leveling using a fairly low MP as you can still kill quickly and get 20% XP gain per MP level. I imagine MP 2 or 3 might be the most efficent for someone just running through with no twink gear. This could be increased if you have some gear on reserve for that character.
As for item finding, unless you're in act 3/4 in Hell or in Inferno, I don't see many people careing or using MP for item hunting. Not unless you want to take a lvl 60 into MP10 and farm for low level legendaries for an alt or something.
How are people agreeing with a nerf more than not???
I think Blizzard finally succeeded in brainwashing people.
EDIT: Clearing up for clairty and after re-reading the original.
I think it's about being reasonable. You can't just buff everything, if you do, there'd be nothing left and everything would be trivial. I think people are finally starting to realize you sometimes have to bring things down in order to maintain balance. Otherwise they'd then have to buff the monsters all over again and we'd start seeing ridiculous numbers and values all becuase no one wanted to see the word "nerf".
Not entirely true. MP10 appears to be for challenge more than anything else. There's even a thread here in Diablofans that shows it's not efficient even though you have higher levels for the content that you're at. If you were to twink out a character, then maybe it could be efficient.
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#16 duckwilliamson
Zealot
Posted 09 October 2012 - 03:26 PM
It's definitely efficient to level a character with MP10 when you have a 60 running you. Your levels fly up faster than you can progress through content. I like this because as a HC inferno player, it's nice to have a decently quick way back to 60.
#17 Cor7ez88
Faithful
Posted 09 October 2012 - 04:29 PM
Not entirely true. MP10 appears to be for challenge more than anything else. There's even a thread here in Diablofans that shows it's not efficient even though you have higher levels for the content that you're at. If you were to twink out a character, then maybe it could be efficient.
#18 lorien1973
Cantor
Posted 09 October 2012 - 07:27 PM
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MP10 in normal is to level faster, imo very usefull if you want to start a new char.
The extra time spent killing the skeleton king would let you move all the way thru the fields of misery. Now, tell me again, what is more efficient? Sure you'll out level content and make the experience easier, but you'll also level to 60 slower.
#19 lorien1973
Cantor
Posted 09 October 2012 - 09:13 PM
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What might be interesting is this. Extrapolate what your level would be at MP 10 at the end of normal/nightmare/hell. At what point do you reach level 60 - thus giving you access to the best gear. Let's say you hit 60 end of nightmare. And if you can MP10, say all of hell at level 60 - is that net experience better than doing inferno runs?
#20 raidenurogue
Advanced Member
Posted 09 October 2012 - 11:09 PM
Really all it looks like is an upgraded leoric's signet, not an item used for smashing faces unless you get that 1/1000 roll.
I know charms in D2 had it easier, but I never saw someone say "That's a crappy charm that isn't worth the space it would take to benefit from it." Even the low rolled ones were decent and warranted the space for the effect. Anything but the best hellfire rings will not benefit killing power or survivability over a 2/3 trifecta rare. I guess one could argue that the randomness will add longevity to the game for people incapable of becoming bored, but the majority will get a few crappy ones and deem the effort too much for the reward.
I'd say let it scale and let it become pretty powerful, but nowhere near "let the enchantress 5 shot MP 10 Azmodan" powerful.