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After the removal of the AH, they're thinking of other ways to support trading, just more meaningful as opposed to a soulless, anti-social AH solution. it makes total sense, indeed. Sorry if you can't see that.
Because if there was a full beta test, everyone would QQ about the whole game being spoiled before release.Quote from asfastasican
If Jay Wilson was less of a yes man and less of an inferior designer then maybe this nonsense would have never happened. Forget the whole not having a proper beta test.
What blows my mind is how those two parts of the sentence have absolutely no relationship with each other.Quote from asfastasican
Just the whole fact that they thought they could have an AH system WITHOUT bind on equip items just blows my mind.
And completely illegal, unlike D3. And no, it wasn't secure, there were scams all over the place, with or without third party sites. AH is miles better in comparison, since it is a double-blind system.Quote from asfastasican
It's hard to believe that some of you thought trading in D2 was bad. It wasn't. Hell, even if you wanted to buy an item from a 3rd party site it was quick, easy and secure.
Yes, but it took time during which you actually didn't play the game. AH is more straightforward, unless you play the AH just to play AH, which is another question entirely.Quote from asfastasican
Plus trading with other players or banks was a fun and interesting experience.
Aaannd here comes the true Scotsman fallacy. Congratulations.Quote from asfastasican
An entire player driven economy was created on its own with D2 and the game lasted for a decade, and here some of you are upset that they aborted this disaster they call an AH. Some of you are not true Diablo fans. For shame.
I watched the interview, and this does not change the fact that they just released a nuclear bomb without building shelters first.Quote from Doorsfan
They said they were going to bring out more information regarding this entire thing @Blizzcon. If you actually watched the interview with them reasoning about the change.
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This will make a huge, great community. Should kill all bots and make them obsolete.
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2) Need to now make all items drop more often, the drop rates of console likely are close to perfect.
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3) No items should ever be BoA now, not Marquise, not Legendaries, not Mystic changes, nothing.
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Oh yeah?
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Its hard to trade and or sell awesome items when they are BoA.
Blizzard is not perfect and they have been known to make mistakes (mostly in WoW).Quote from brx
Think for a second, if it was a lose-lose situation they would not have done it.
Selling boxes is not enough in today's environment. You gotta have a source of recurrent revenue as well. Which means either RMAH or cash shop.Quote from brx
Maybe they'll make more money selling expansions than milking the very few people left spending actual money on virtual good like idiots.
Because getting scammed in trade channels will totally make people stay?Quote from brx
This is the only acceptable middle ground. No one enjoyed the ah, it was not a convenience but a necessity and made people quit the game.
And in the same way, D2 revolved around trading channels. Was it better? I don't think so.Quote from nadenitza
Problem is everything revolved around the AH - trading and gameplay. You play for selling shit on the AH, to flip, snipe and farm gold so you can gear your char.
And a lot of people played entirely self-found in D2? Especially all those with high-end runewords? Everyone traded (and duped, and hacked).Quote from nadenitza
Only a lunatic would go self found in that environment couse it's not meant for it due to the bad itemization witch takes the AH into account.
I understand your point, but that means AH needs additional fixes to prevent flipping and sniping. Removing it completely is basically recognizing that you're incompetent in game economy balancing (which Josh apparently is).Quote from nadenitza
Time spent in game means almost nothing especially till you get to inferno. It means nothing afterwards too if you don't get extremely lucky with a semi-good items... that you realize you need to sell on the AH to get gold to get gear... from the AH. Am blunt here but it's basically just that.
In this case, their communication was handled extremely poorly and someone should be hanged for that to make an example.Quote from nadenitza
I don't follow the news and dunno if they have a different method to facilitate trading, if you take a decision of such magnitude you have a back up plan. Maybe they have something planned?
Because people act totally rationally. Right.Quote from nadenitza
On the point of third party sites - well people should know better but who am i to judge? If they wanna use em let em use em, if they got their info stolen who's to blame? No one but themselfs.
Of course they're not waging legal wars against them, since they're doing the same thing. However, if you remove the AH, they'll probably have to change the EULA accordingly and forbid selling game items and gold (although gold will be much less useful with such a model) for real money. And THEN they'll have to wage legal wars, exactly like they do with WOW gold selling sites.Quote from nadenitza
Even with the AH, tp sites still run rampart and blizz does not seem waging legal war against em.
You said BOA destroys trading. My point is that removing AH destroys it too, and has much more nefarious consequences.Quote from nadenitza
What does BOA has to do with third party sites and bartering?
I don't use them. Problem is, a lot of people do. There will be scams in trade and on third-party sites, credit card numbers stolen, in short hell will break loose. Moreover, Blizzard will have to spend (like in the good old days) money on lawsuits against the said sites. From every economical point of view, it's a lose-lose situation.Quote from nadenitza
If third party sites bother you so much then stop using them?
Sure, but if you have a secure environment provided, it looks much more attractive compared to some Chinese website.Quote from nadenitza
The worst thing they [blizz] did was embrace their "metod" and sort of - legalize it ingame, now they fix that mistake. With or without BOA there will be third party sites that sell items, you can't fixt that. Even blizzard can't.
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BoA has no place in a diablo game. It simply destroys any form of trading. It's a lazy solution for a game like wow where your loot is handled in a plate.
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Bottom line was - the AH fucked up itemization and loot hunt. It was convenient, sure. But that convenience made the game not a rpg but an AH simulator. With the removal of it many core changes should arise witch in turn is what might fix the game entirely. I still can't believe it happening, woah...
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It is different in gameplay, but not in its market positioning - it is a niche game geared towards a limited community of players. Quite logically that means a very limited revenue.
"Middle of the pack"? They are not in top 25 for sure, and probably not even in top 100. Sure, if you include all the steam-selling companies, they'll be in the middle of the pack, but let's remain serious for a bit.
"Also, why stick solely to foreign sales?" --> I'm not. 5 billion is their global sales volume according to their own website.
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Dude, I mentionned CCP Games to you (the guys that make EvE Online) and even them generate more revenue.
There is nothing wrong with being a niche company in itself, only you will remain niche as long as you don't cater to the crowds. Which makes sense - people don't purchase products they don't like.
I won't even mention the fact that the Japanese video games market is worth in the tune of 500 BILLION yen. I think you can divide 5 by 500 yourself, and see what the approximate market share of that amazing company is, even in its own homeland.
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Sales volume of that imba (bwahahahahahaha) studio is, in 2014, of 5 billion yen. (http://www.fromsoftware.jp/pc_en/company_about.html)
At today's rate, that's a whooping 38 million euros. That's nothing for a game company (even CCP games, which is a pretty niche game maker, has nearly double the revenue)
Sorry, but if that's your counter-example, it failed miserably.
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Right, because thinking about it before was too easy. Makes sense too
And if AH is anti-social, then trading chans are 100x times worse than that.
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But of course, it makes a lot of sense!!!
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Oh, I read it as, "can't reroll affixes on an item if it already has a socket".
I need more coffee!
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What exactly is that about?
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Alas, as the author of the article points out, it is not a complete view:
"We won't know the total console Diablo III sales figures until Blizzard decides to release that info."
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There will be a lot of scamming regardless. Unless they come up with a bullet-proof solution (which I highly doubt).
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It was a very tough choice, but frankly, totally understandable. What they messed up is rebalancing inferno on a much shorter notice.
What blows my mind is how those two parts of the sentence have absolutely no relationship with each other.
Having an AH is fine, as long as there is a way to take items out of the economy, which can be accomplished by many other way (and yes, BoE is one of them, but only one).
And completely illegal, unlike D3. And no, it wasn't secure, there were scams all over the place, with or without third party sites. AH is miles better in comparison, since it is a double-blind system.
Yes, but it took time during which you actually didn't play the game. AH is more straightforward, unless you play the AH just to play AH, which is another question entirely.
Aaannd here comes the true Scotsman fallacy. Congratulations.
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You misunderstand. My original point is that D3 still has 10 difficulty levels in inferno. You said "they have to re-tune everything anyways". But re-tuning or not, it will still be 10 levels. Unless they change the MP system, but we don't know that. Which was my point
Which means one of two things: either they will keep the drop rates low and people will complain about the fact they can't progress by themselves and that they have to trade to progress, or - which is far more likely - they will "fix" the whole thing console-style and just make legendaries drop in packs (see 6x increase and smart drops in the Gamescom video).
I'm not a huge fan of current D3 implementation, but at least it kept some kind of treadmill, as you could eventually jack up the Monster Power to 1 more level. They should have put an emphasis on a way to remove legendary items out of the economy, not destroying the AH.
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This was perfectly predictable. Unlimited supply and no items ever going out of the economy (we're not talking HC here, of course) means that the whole system is heading for a crash. Basic economy.