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    posted a message on easiest/most tanky build to finish gr90+ ?

    Just did GR90 today on seasons with M6. Zero deaths while sitting at just under 600k DPS at paragon 650ish. Wearing zero ancient items. GR90 took just over 11 minutes with no power or conduit pylons.

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    posted a message on easiest/most tanky build to finish gr90+ ?

    I played M6 DH back in S9 and was running GR90s at under 1k paragon with very few augments and very rarely dieing. Maybe like 1 death per 3-4 rifts from not paying attention. With the buffs added for S12, I'd guess that it'd be extremely faceroll, far more so than it was back in S9 when I played it.


    Through the 11 seasons I played, I'd say M6 was the laziest and easiest build to play.

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    posted a message on What do you think about the new Challenge Rifts mode?
    Quote from Skelos_bggo-next

    Quote from Bagstonego-next

    I wish they would pick builds for CRs that are interesting and fun, but less well-known.


    How do you identify such builds with an algorithm? I mean we can easily browse the LBs and spot fun builds, but how to program the selection system to do it? It is not that trivial.

    They can simply hire someone to pick the builds. There is no reason for them to be using an algorithm to pick builds on such a new system. Even if they wanted an automated process it should be done much later, like at least like 3-4 months down the line.
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    posted a message on What do you think about the new Challenge Rifts mode?

    It's pretty much terrible.


    1) There is no incentive to create competition.


    2) As far as "new builds" goes, it's more like an old build with mistakes in gearing/talents.

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    posted a message on HC Builds for GR70 (primal ancient items)

    I did GR80 on a HC DH after about 20 hours total of solo play last season using the M6 set. I was plvl'ed to 70 (so saved like 4 hours), but did not have haedrigs gift so I had to farm starting from normal, through about T8 then moved on the GRs.


    Considering GR70 only needs like 1/4th the DPS of GR80, and the DH haedrigs in S10 is marauders, I'm sure the entire leveling + GR1-70 process can be done as DH in like 10-15 hours total.

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    posted a message on Okay, who's doing seasons AFTER getting all their stash tabs?

    Getting the stash tabs were never the reason I did seasons in the first place.


    Will continue to do guardian every season until I find another game I'd rather play. Not going to bother with NS aside from the couple weeks between seasons.

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    posted a message on Which class will you run in season 10?

    Probably starting DH since can unlock primals in probably like 10 hours or less with it, as well as use it for general farming. Not sure what class I'll switch to afterwards, maybe wizard.

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    posted a message on Was it worth all the complaining? Primals

    I actually care about 0% between primal 1.0 and 2.0. Both of them would have roughly 0 effect on the way I play my character since all they do is a minor stat increase. To actually be exciting, they would need to do something that actually alters gameplay or the way my character looks in some way. Doing 0.25% of a GR tier higher after finding a primal is pretty much a 0/10 for excitement.

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    posted a message on upcoming changes primal 14/2 pluepost
    Quote from Shapookyago-next

    Quote from TianZigo-next

    How do people still consider GR70 as a wall? It takes like maybe 10 hours at lv 70 to pick up the gear needed to do a GR70.


    A GR70 while wearing a set is probably even easier than doing the GR45 no-set conquest.



    Not everybody plays the meta builds. Not everybody knows how to play. A friend of mine would never reach GR70 solo. She's not a gamer per se. She likes D3 and plays it every now and then, which leads to her losing track of what's happening and her dying a lot.
    Why is she not allowed lucky drops in form of primals?

    Would someone that doesn't know how to play actually care about primals in the first place? I mean I place on the leaderboards regularly and hardly even care about ancients myself aside from being able to stick an augment on it, lol. Primals are kind of like just something nobody really asked for.


    I think having a wall at 70 is pretty retarded too. I mean if i were to put a wall, I'd stick up somewhere up at like the top 1% or less where only people that cared like super seriously would ever get. Something along the lines of like Gladiator in WoW, Legend in Hearthstone, Grandmaster in StarCraft, etc. I don't know why they'ed stick a wall in the middle of the general playerbase.


    I just feel like 70 is just such a half-assed wall that it's not really even a wall at all. It's kind of just there, for no purpose. Nobody likes it, nobody wanted it, it really doesn't even make sense aside from being mildly annoying. It's not high enough to be a real goal for someone serious into the game, and it's a pointless obstacle for players that log in out of sheer boredom.

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    posted a message on upcoming changes primal 14/2 pluepost

    How do people still consider GR70 as a wall? It takes like maybe 10 hours at lv 70 to pick up the gear needed to do a GR70.


    A GR70 while wearing a set is probably even easier than doing the GR45 no-set conquest.

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    posted a message on upcoming changes primal 14/2 pluepost

    From bad to even worse. Somehow not that surprised, lol.

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    posted a message on Brainless Builds Comparison: Sage's set builds (with videos)

    I just crafted some sage pieces for my HC seasons alt DH and recorded a T8 run with one of my builds. Was trying for about 12 minutes, but ended up as 11 minutes instead since I didn't use a timer, just looked at in game clock. Uploading the video to youtube now. I ran this build in the past at some point very comfortably in T10 on a more properly geared seasons DH. Build is likely capable of over T10 in the right gear, but I switched builds before really trying.


    Got 126 DBs, though 21 were from a blue gob. So 105 DBs from non-goblins, plus some wasted time killing and looting the blue gob. I also left 2 DBs on the ground, lol. Would be pretty close to 120 DB in 12 minutes, which is what you got with shadow/sage-FoK.


    Just for reference, I only started HC like 4 days ago this season, and the run is on is my HC alt. So the character is pretty poorly geared:

    - 0 ancients

    - 0 augments (obviously)

    - 531 paragon

    - 7700 dex, lol

    - A lv60 or so bane of trapped, and 2 other crappy gems, i think lv25 on both

    - I have a wasted passive and cube item (awareness passive and Gunes because I'm playing HC. HP doesn't even dip in T8, but better safe than sorry).


    As an additional note, I haven't played this for a while. So as you can see I run into walls, backtracked like half a map running into a dead end, shoot facing the wrong direction, missing prep on cooldown a bunch of times, etc. And even with poor gameplay and awful gear it still performs just as well as the builds that were posted here.


    Video added:

    https://youtu.be/wkCejDcEduw


    Build guide added (Maybe incomplete, will fix it later if there issues):

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    posted a message on Brainless Builds Comparison: Sage's set builds (with videos)
    Quote from Bagstonego-next

    I agree with everything you say. But would you be so kind to share those other, more efficient DH Sage's builds? I have time at some point in the future I might try them out and add videos, at least of TX/T11 (I found the T8/T12/T13 videos to be pretty useless and only did them to highlight that T8 is good for lower paragon/worse gear and gems, and T12+ is almost always worse in terms of efficiency because of the Sage's implementation of "+1" instead of "*2").


    I just took the best Sage's builds I could find in our DB, and other DHs I talked to told me their weren't better ones. So if you say there are... well, where are they? ;-)

    Finding the builds and sharing them should be a job for streamers and youtubers. I mean I don't know which DH's you've talked to about sage sets, but I know at least 3 different setups that perform both better and easier for me than the 2 DH builds in this thread. Not to mention they all have quite a few variations to them for adjustment to different difficulty, and T11 and 12 really doesn't drop efficiency in decent rolled gear with at least one of them. That's just from casually testing out sage setups over the past few seasons when I need to farm DBs, there's probably quite a few more builds, likely even ones better than the ones I've found. There just needs more people to look for them.

    Anyways, I'll upload one of the setups later to at least have a reference point that there are better setups, but probably won't upload the others. Will leave those to the streamers and youtubers to find :P
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    posted a message on Brainless Builds Comparison: Sage's set builds (with videos)
    Quote from Bagstonego-next

    I'd be curious to see your 168 DB build and like to try that myself. The builds aren't outdated, the issue simply seems to be that the top DH builds/sets do not allow good combination with the Sage sets. I talked to some DHs and they said that basically Sage's is okay-ish for the beginning, but once your UE gear is good enough to clear T11+ it's just so much faster and better that it's not worth it to use any of the clunky builds I tested.


    Also keep in mind that "testing your own build" means that you have more experience with it and play it much better than someone else who just takes a build, slaps items/skills on, and gives it a go (that's why I labeled this "brainless comparison"). I didn't work on my playstyle for an hour or so for every build, I treat every build with the same disrespect :P


    In the end all of this is just a sample comparison and not the definitive truth. Just helped me to see how many different builds there are and test some of them; I ended up playing some of those recently but just picked the one that I liked with regard to playstyle, even if I sacrifice a few percent efficiency. After all, it's a game...

    Hmm, I personally think the issue is a lack of testing and experimentation, because I have used sage setups with DH in T11 earlier in the season without feeling clunky doing so. Also clunky comes by design, as should be obvious with setups that require more CD and/or resource management.

    There will always be some "testing of builds, items, and variations" since I like to design my builds myself. Even my GR pushing DH M6 setup is fairly customized, which had a GR92 clear earlier in the season (rank 4 at the time, rank 3 after people got banned, lol) despite being a solo player and thus under paragon, gem level, etc. While I never really polish builds like I did back when I was youtube'ing, I do at least enough basic testing to see if it works and if some obvious variation is clearly better.

    As for playing builds better, I think it's questionable. How well a build is played in large part depends on how easy it is to play a build. Another major factor is just how compatible players are with the style. Like I've played shadow/sage way more than 12 minutes (more like hours) a few seasons back, and can say that you play that build better than I do based on your 12 minutes of gameplay. As far as builds goes, even for speeds GRs and speed T13s there are other builds (along with variations as well) that I prefer over the standard UE that most players seem to run, probably in part because I'm actually pretty bad at playing UE. I don't think build compatibility is really universal, different players are likely to excel in different builds.

    Don't get me wrong, I like the compilation of what you did. It's just that as a DH player I can't help but notice that the builds submitted by DH feel old and lacking. There are at least a few other DH sage builds that IMO are more fluid, easier, faster, and capable of higher torment. Some of which already existed in previous seasons.

    I simply think D3 has a lot more viable builds and variations for DBs, speed GRs, pushing, etc than most people realize.
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    posted a message on Brainless Builds Comparison: Sage's set builds (with videos)

    The 2 DH builds chosen in this seem pretty sad. I think maybe just too outdated. Maybe we no longer have streamers/youtubers updating players with new builds, though at the same time it does let players go out and actually design their own builds. I timed some sessions at 12 minutes each on my seasonal DH with one of my DB builds and have gotten to as high as 168 DBs without killing goblins. Setup might not have even been that optimized either since I had never timed runs on it before back when I was using it. Fairly sure most of my setups I've used over the past couple seasons would at least beat that 120 in 12 minutes. Wonder how long till a streamer will start working on builds and find a similar build to any of the ones I use. :P


    On another note, i didn't even hit 600DB/hour rates like you're getting when I tried playing shadow/sage back in the day. It's like the hardest build to play, lol.


    I also think the rift makes more than a 12% difference, especially with ingeom setups. Maybe I just suck really bad at running into dead ends, but some rifts are way better than others.

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