I have talked with this guy a bunch, he is a murder machine.
Im working on digging up more, have to dig through post history.
cant see it goin on, i cant see em 1 shotting using ww and i cant see their efficiency either, im sure they are strong and im sure they hurt but i think we were talking about op saying that WW 1 shotting at mp0 being the most efficient way to go vs me saying it wouldnt be optimal
you realise that if you ww once and thing die you probably wont get enough rage to sprint and keep berserk? so youll be slower.
if you raise the mp you can do better by WWing thrue mobs dropping tornadoes and goin quicker in berserker
for barbarian, your thing might work on paper but it doesnt in game
If you kill stuff with a single spin of WW, do you even NEED to maintain infinite WoTB?
*the answer is no
You just respec your skills to provide you with more general damage.
at this point you shouldnt even use a WW spec
Eh...... maybe.
WW has alot of viable uses outside of infinite WoTB.
Dont think for a second that infinite WoTB is the only reason to use WW, constant crits and the exceedingly high AOE hit rate benefit a variety of Barb builds a great deal.
The best Barbs I have seen dont just blindly spec to flavor of the month.
you realise that if you ww once and thing die you probably wont get enough rage to sprint and keep berserk? so youll be slower.
if you raise the mp you can do better by WWing thrue mobs dropping tornadoes and goin quicker in berserker
for barbarian, your thing might work on paper but it doesnt in game
If you kill stuff with a single spin of WW, do you even NEED to maintain infinite WoTB?
*the answer is no
You just respec your skills to provide you with more general damage.
you realise that if you ww once and thing die you probably wont get enough rage to sprint and keep berserk? so youll be slower.
if you raise the mp you can do better by WWing thrue mobs dropping tornadoes and goin quicker in berserker
for barbarian, your thing might work on paper but it doesnt in game
^^Maybe he's a fan of Diablo, but not of Diablo 3?
Check out the address bar on your browser. See what it says there? That's right.....it says DiabloFans. There's no '3' there.
dont you see the 3 behind the diablofans logo? =D
and the only one who mentionned 3 here is me, you and the op and this isnt a diablofans threads either
What is the point of this game? Getting better loot in order to advance you character/ers, no?
When 1.0.4 came out, I bought a Leorics signet and a Cains set. 60% extra xp.
By doing MP3 (30% extra xp) you don't need to use the Cains set.
By doing MP5 (60% extra xp) you don't need to use the ring.
I am doing MP7 runs now, and yes they take longer to finish than an MP0-MP3 run, about 20min, but seriously the loot is terrible on those levels.
The amount of rares and legs that drop on MP7+ is 3 times more than MP3.
I get 3-5 legendary items per run.
I mean look at my char http://http://eu.bat...65/hero/9813579
Everything I'm wearing, apart from the 2 weapons and the gloves, have dropped in game.
I started out with 64K dps and I'm now at 187k (204 if I don't use the hellfire ring) and have plenty of millions to gear up my other characters once I hit 100 on this one.
I don't see the point of running mindlessly at MP0 one shooting everything, skipping gold and items and looting shitty lvl57 legendarys that won't sell, won't salvage to a brimstone and even the vendor say's OMG another one?
There is so much wrong in that post. Some basic info to get into context: MP3 grants you 30% extra EXP bonus but the monster health is 326% higher than on MP0. Same scenario applies to MP5 or MP7, just that on these MP levels you cant even pretend that your gear allows you to overcome that huge HP increase. There is no gear that would allow you to be getting same EXP on MP5+ as you would be on MP1 or MP2.
You can play for fun, you can do high MP level games for the challenge, just don't pretend you are doing it efficiently.
I started playing on MP3 when 1.0.5 went live. My DH had barely over 100k DPS at that time. I have greatly upgraded my gear since then. Im currently sitting at 240k DPS and significantly more EHP then when I started. I play on MP1 nowdays because I can blast through Alkaizer route in 12-14 minutes, get great experience, lots of rares and approximately 2 legendary drops on average each hour I play (I usually play 2 to 3 hours a week day, more on weekends).
Finally, Ruksak is defending his point from the perspective of melee character. I think it is commonly agreed that melee characters tend to play on higher MP levels due to different class mechanics than ranged characters. As long as the melee character can sustain incoming damage from monsters, which is impacted by MP levels as well, melee can successfully defeat monsters on higher MP. It will take longer but the bonuses provided by higher MP can outweigh the extra HP.
Ranged class, DH or Wizard, will never be able to sustain being in melee for longer period of time, therefore, they will have to kite. Kiting means you are not attacking, your are backtracking to areas where there is nothing to be done and generally make the combat last longer. All these things make you inefficient--you get less EXP and loot. And there is no fun in running around like a scarred chicken when you cant kill monsters faster then they are able to close distance on you.
i dont believe you cant get the same xp you do in mp5 that you can do in mp1-2, they have more hp but you can manage to do it quick enough if you really have the gear for it and even with more hp this just could mean you aoe more creatures at the same time and yes im sure you can do the same xp and even maybe more if you are really geared and there is more then enough gear in this game to do it
Ubbers, Keys farming and fun/challenge are the only valid reason for farming at high mp. People thinking they get more and better loot doing the high mp instead of the low, are just misinformed clueless persons.
People want the high mp's the be worth farming. But facts are blizzard designed it not to be. And no matter how much you want it to be good. Its not. And thats just the way it is.
im 100% sure im getting more (xp/loot)/hour of mp3 then i am from mp0
I use DS instead of TR. Is comparable in terms of farming speed for DW monks, and you don't have to invest in spirit regen gear or similar items. I can farm MP1 with 60m/hour or so and use the same gear to do MP10 ubers (modulo the hellfire ring).
I liked this vid because it finally convinced me to go from MP3 to MP1, despite having close to 150k dps. I probably could do MP2, but on MP3 elites really start to slow you down, which is in no way compensated by the 10% exp bonus from the extra MP level.
There is no point in farming mp3 if you are targeting "leveling".
not always true, if you really have the gear and clear mp3 as quick as mp0 you get another 30% xp so even slightly slower could give the same xp or more
Can you imagine the number of people that would be banned for buying a gem at a low price when the gems debacle was going on? Even those who didn't know better would be banned for simply buying at a low price, even if it were a single gem. Silly extremists! Deal with the origin of the problem, not the folks that took advantage of a great price.
they couldnt ban anyone for buying duped gem(you cant know you are buying a dupe), but they should be deleting em and restoring the gold paid for em if they are duped and delete the gold and ban the seller till it resolve to the duper
they wont do it because some transaction are money transaction and from term of use every rmah transaction is final unless they break the term of use
but by not doing it they are ''duping'' in their own way and effect the market in the same way pretty much but on a very smaller scale.
its pretty much the same way if we would have fake money that were looking exactly the same way as a real one
100$ is still 100$ but the dolars itself would be worth less because they exist
it also open a spot to abuse it
lets say you duped 1000 gem, you sold em at 5 million but rebought most of em of a legit account....
lets say you did that and when you did it when it worked
so from what i said
you paid 5x500 million so 2500 million
you sell em now you get at least 7500 million
you still have 5000 million profit wich arent goin to be deleted in gold or in gem
because i dont know anyone who had a gem deleted
all we know is that they banned some hacker, and thats it
doubt there is any duping beside restoration active atm at least no a very large scale
but it isnt fixxed at all from my point of view
and yes i doubt 4-5 gem myself at 5 million, didnt expected they fix it either when all this happened and yes i wouldnt care if they recash em and every other gem that was duped
They also should have taken action against those who took advantage of the duping when gem prices plumetted to almost nothing namely moldran himself making well over 800m. To me he is no better than those dupers. He himself screamed fix the game it's being ruined all the while making a profit off of what was going on.
YES you are right , the problem is they dont wich is why this thread is made too i believe
they have to stop the duping and they have to do it with more brains when they fix these issue and yes they would have to delete every dupe and delete the original when they restore, always...
Never seen anyone saying he had a transaction reverted via AH wich should be the case if they deleted duped gem
They work it the same way they do in WoW wich shouldnt be the case in a game where currency can be real money
In other words, Blizzard is duping too
Blizzard wont take actions against themselves for duping wich is what i consider they do each time they restore without deleting...so no duping wont stop and no they wont confirm this.
i love their game and loved em all, but i hate how they avoid real issue like these.
And Those who took advantage of the gem duping by buying low did nothing wrong, dont blame em they did it in a legit way and if they kept the duped gem, you can only blame blizzard because buyer didnt do anything wrong.
can only blame those who actually duped, botter or blizzard for these issues
Considering the above Athene 25 sec kill is actualy slow, really slow. However his trolling the masses of the clueless youth. Works like a charm for him.
mind showing me a very, very quick kill, or should i just say you talk shit a lot?
Basic math my young friend.
1 players = 100% hp and for each player joining the hp of azmodan only increase by 75%. instead of 100%. So instead of having 4 times as much hp, how much does he have?
Then you add in the buffs and synergy from 4 classes.. And VOLA there is your answer why his kill time isnt legitimate.
Its not against the forum rules to use your brain on your own.
This means than that he not only having buffs and synergy of 4 players. His also fightning an Azmodan with 25% less hit points compared to a solo kill.
Comprende? or want me to draw you a picture? Not that its going to happen thou.
i didnt asked you to do math, neither implie i cant do em, i asked you to show me a very very quick kill ....something much better then he did in other terms since you claimed his kill was very very slow, id expect you to back up your talking with proof of any very very quick kill , since you rated it very very slow
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cant see it goin on, i cant see em 1 shotting using ww and i cant see their efficiency either, im sure they are strong and im sure they hurt but i think we were talking about op saying that WW 1 shotting at mp0 being the most efficient way to go vs me saying it wouldnt be optimal
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show me, i want to see
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at this point you shouldnt even use a WW spec
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if you raise the mp you can do better by WWing thrue mobs dropping tornadoes and goin quicker in berserker
for barbarian, your thing might work on paper but it doesnt in game
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dont you see the 3 behind the diablofans logo? =D
and the only one who mentionned 3 here is me, you and the op and this isnt a diablofans threads either
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i dont believe you cant get the same xp you do in mp5 that you can do in mp1-2, they have more hp but you can manage to do it quick enough if you really have the gear for it and even with more hp this just could mean you aoe more creatures at the same time and yes im sure you can do the same xp and even maybe more if you are really geared and there is more then enough gear in this game to do it
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im 100% sure im getting more (xp/loot)/hour of mp3 then i am from mp0
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they couldnt ban anyone for buying duped gem(you cant know you are buying a dupe), but they should be deleting em and restoring the gold paid for em if they are duped and delete the gold and ban the seller till it resolve to the duper
they wont do it because some transaction are money transaction and from term of use every rmah transaction is final unless they break the term of use
but by not doing it they are ''duping'' in their own way and effect the market in the same way pretty much but on a very smaller scale.
its pretty much the same way if we would have fake money that were looking exactly the same way as a real one
100$ is still 100$ but the dolars itself would be worth less because they exist
it also open a spot to abuse it
lets say you duped 1000 gem, you sold em at 5 million but rebought most of em of a legit account....
lets say you did that and when you did it when it worked
so from what i said
you paid 5x500 million so 2500 million
you sell em now you get at least 7500 million
you still have 5000 million profit wich arent goin to be deleted in gold or in gem
because i dont know anyone who had a gem deleted
all we know is that they banned some hacker, and thats it
doubt there is any duping beside restoration active atm at least no a very large scale
but it isnt fixxed at all from my point of view
and yes i doubt 4-5 gem myself at 5 million, didnt expected they fix it either when all this happened and yes i wouldnt care if they recash em and every other gem that was duped
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Relog the game and check you stash, maybe this is just that
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YES you are right , the problem is they dont wich is why this thread is made too i believe
they have to stop the duping and they have to do it with more brains when they fix these issue and yes they would have to delete every dupe and delete the original when they restore, always...
Never seen anyone saying he had a transaction reverted via AH wich should be the case if they deleted duped gem
They work it the same way they do in WoW wich shouldnt be the case in a game where currency can be real money
In other words, Blizzard is duping too
Blizzard wont take actions against themselves for duping wich is what i consider they do each time they restore without deleting...so no duping wont stop and no they wont confirm this.
i love their game and loved em all, but i hate how they avoid real issue like these.
And Those who took advantage of the gem duping by buying low did nothing wrong, dont blame em they did it in a legit way and if they kept the duped gem, you can only blame blizzard because buyer didnt do anything wrong.
can only blame those who actually duped, botter or blizzard for these issues
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critical hit damage = more dps
atk speed = more rage + more dmg
mecanics go quicker by combining more crit chance and atk speed so you are more stable rage wise and this should help you keeping berserker
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i didnt asked you to do math, neither implie i cant do em, i asked you to show me a very very quick kill ....something much better then he did in other terms since you claimed his kill was very very slow, id expect you to back up your talking with proof of any very very quick kill , since you rated it very very slow
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