It's nice to see them thinking about this.
It's hard to tell exactly what would fix this. Affixes like Jailer, Fast, and Vortex are often too strong and unavoidable. They definitely take skill out of the equation for success. Waller and Frozen "sometimes" are too strong, but if tweaked might be more avoidable.
Reducing enemy damage dramatically and taking away Lifesteal would probably make you think a lot harder about where you're standing. If you have to wait for the occasional health globe or potion to gain back some health you will probably actively try to avoid affixes a lot more. Reflect damage would probably have to go.
It would be great if our health pools dropped really slow but had a tougher time refilling them. Wyatt's point about if you're at 50% health, you shouldn't be too worried but should be looking for some health, was intriguing to me.
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Fair enough. =) Just sharing ideas.
Well, I feel they are minor compared to other affixes you could have instead. Would you sacrifice 50 AR for 100 Int as a Barbarian? That's only a 5th the amount of resistance. Of course you'll take the Int if it's on an item in addition to the other 6 more important affixes you might be searching for. But there's never a reason to "search" for it.
Personally I agree that there might be too many affix types I'm really just trying to add flavor and personality to your character based on the affixes of your gear. Players generally all want the same affixes, it would be cool if different people went for different attributes based on how they like to play.
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Thank you!
Wouldn't it be nice if we looked for attributes based on the style we wanted to play our character?
-All Barbarians would have brute strength, but maybe you would like yours to be more agile than most, or maybe have more brains!
-A tough Monk, or a smart Monk.
-etc.
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Hello! Welcome to a constructive post about how to make items more fun!
The point of this thread:
- To generate ideas on ways to make the affixes of items feel more unique and important toward build diversity. If Blizzard could use any portion of any idea from this thread I would feel successful.
- This post focuses only on the main attributes (Strength, Dexterity, and Intelligence) and how Active and Passive Skills could make these affixes feel more important, while promoting build diversity and personality.
- Rather than coming up with new affix types (making items more complex than they already are), we can explore using the current, less-desired, affixes in a logical way that promotes this goal.
The secondary attributes of each class have almost no use currently. They provide minor defensive bonuses but there is absolutely no reason to specifically look for or stack one.Secondary Attributes:
- Barbarian – Dexterity/Intelligence
- Monk – Strength/Intelligence
- DemonHunter – Strength/Intelligence
- WitchDoctor – Strength/Dexterity
- Wizard – Strength/Dexterity
Idea #1 - Give "Active" Skills two bonus effects, each based on one of the two secondary attributes of each class.Here are examples of how it could work (one for each class):
Keep in mind! I thought of these very quickly, I would imagine the developers of Blizzard could come up with much more creative ideas.
- Barbarian – Cleave
Dexterity: Improves the area of effect by 1% per 50 Dexterity.Intelligence: Gives Cleave a chance to stun, 1% per 50 Intelligence.
- Monk – Crippling Wave
Strength: Increases the damage of Crippling Wave by 1% per 50 Strength.Intelligence: Increases the movement speed and attack speed debuf by 1% per 50 Intelligence.
- DemonHunter - Strafe
Strength: Reduces damage taken while using Strafe by 1% per 50 Strength.Intelligence: Reduces the channeling cost by 1% per 50 Intelligence.
- WitchDoctor - Gargantuan
Strength: Increase Gargantuan's damage and armor by 1% per 50 Strength.Dexterity: Give Gargantuan a chance to stun on hit of 1% per 50 Dexterity.
- Wizard – Magic Weapon
Strength: Magic Weapon grants a chance to knock-back of 1% per 50 Strength.Dexterity: Magic Weapon also increases attack speed by 1% per 50 Dexterity.
Idea #2 - Two "Passive" Skill Trees per class, one for each Secondary attribute:
- Remove the current three passive skill slots. Create two small passive skill trees for each class (one for each secondary attribute). Each skill tree is influenced by it's attribute in two ways:
1. Stacking a secondary attribute increases the effectiveness of passive skills in it's skill tree.- Up to a cap per skill, where lower tier skills cap earlier. (to promote using both tree's low tier skills, even if you have much more of one attribute)
- Maybe no cap for higher tier skills. (to promote continued stacking of a secondary attribute)
2. Accessing each tier of each tree requires having enough of it's attribute:- Tier 1 – 0 points of attribute. (skill effectiveness caps at 100)
- Tier 2 – 100 points of attribute. (caps at 200)
- Tier 3 – 200 points of attribute. (caps at 400)
- Tier 4 – 400 points of attribute. (no cap)
- Tier 5 – 800 points of attribute. (no cap)
Example:-A Barbarian has 178 Dexterity and 900 Intelligence.
-He has access to Tiers 1 and 2 on the Dexterity Tree.
-He has access to all Tiers on the Intelligence Tree.
-Tier 1 and 2 in the Dexterity Tree will still be worth using even though he has way more Intelligence than Dexterity (because of effectiveness caps).
Example Image: (Just a layout, skills are in random places)
(Graphics used are Blizzard's, not my own.)
The Outcomes:
- Your primary should still reign supreme, while the secondaries provide flavor and playstyle.
- Ideally, (for a Barbarian) there will be some builds that stack Dexterity, some that stack Intelligence, and then some that use mixed amounts depending on what passive skills they want access to among the trees.
- The better your gear, the more skills you have access to. It's another leveling system in the form of loot, post 60.
- Attribute affixes on items will be much more exciting. More gear will find use/be saved/get traded.
- Items gain personality and dictate builds.
- There will be more choices than just damage and defense to think about when looking for gear.
- Collecting multiple sets of gear will be useful for different builds.
- Gems become much more interesting and useful in armor.
- Sockets in armor will grow in value.
- All "current" decently-geared 60s would start off with access to at least tiers 1-4 in each tree (based on their stats). There would be many viable builds with those options and no reason to complain about all the gear they bought. They could gradually change to which playstyle they prefer.
Other Thoughts:- The design of the skill trees could be in many ways. What I envision is 4-6 tiers. Using many of the current passive skills but separated among the two trees for matching style. Obviously adjusting their potency to the tier in the tree that they sit.
- (ie.) If you obtained 1 skill point every 5 levels from level 10 on, you would have 11 points at level 60. If the skill trees were 6 tiers, you could only obtain one tier 6 passive skill, even if you had enough attributes to access all 6 tiers on both trees. (could also be 9 points for 5 tiers, 7 points for 4 tiers, etc.)
- With the most powerful passives being at the top of the trees, most players would probably go extreme in one tree rather than dividing equally. Mid-tier passives should be designed to work nicely with each other too, to promote more diversity.
Suggestions from feedback:- (open to your suggestion)
Edits- Added "effectiveness cap" idea to the skill trees to promote diversity when choosing lower tier skills.
Thanks for reading! Please leave feedback if you think the attribute affixes need more love!