KIlltime with Throw build = 10min and 37sec
Killtime with HotA build = 9min and 14sec
That fit pretty good with my experience ingame also. HotA got the highest single target damage output, throw comes in on second place, and WW is the lowest singel target damage output build. (of the standard 3 barb builds)
Very nice, I would have accepted the challenge myself but 1) cant fraps on my comp and 2) I'm not a godly geared barb lol
Funny thing is Im sure there will be a video of other classes doing this run faster soon, its just barbs are more motivated and less Emo (for the most part, don't hate me good non-barbs! lol)
On another note, anyone else notice the trend I'm seeing with barbs that the records are done with Throw/Hota Barbs, would like to see if a WW barb can come close, but haven't seen it so far. I think the damage ability of WW has been exagerated far to long, no doubting the speed though (I still use it for low level exp/farm runs)
I have a wizard and a barb. After 1.05, I felt that the wizard is extremely versatile; while CMWW and Archon are still the two main cookie cutter builds, you can switch some spells or build interesting hybrids that are still viable and you don't lose that much dps/ehp. My barb, however, feels like a one-way-street: take ww+sprint+tornado and melt everything down. There's almost no variety.
Barbs have plenty of variety, its just people are stuck on WW because thats all the sheep talk about. Throw barbs, Hota, Rend, Merciless assault. All are equal or better in terms of dps/survivability, the only thing they dont have is the speed. However adding 2-3 min to an alkizer run isnt going to make or break you unless your going for some kind of record speed clear.
On a different note people saying barbs run the game faster and better than everyone else clearly have no idea about other classes. For instance monks have INSANE damage output and self buffs so yeah they don't have sprint but they can do just as much dmg and it's mostly aoe however with great single target focus. So really what it comes down to is people who think that sprint is op and they can't stand that their class can't run as fast
Actually monks have a spec for that too, infinite Tempest Rush. Takes a more specific gear set but I dropped 45m to completely gear my monk for it and do alkizer runs + rakiks crossing and keep 3 in 10-12 min.
Anyways as to the topic, while there are no official words from blizz about a nerf, I would expect that Overpower: Crushing Advance will somehow be nerfed for the spec since having 80-100% uptime on a 35% damage redirection + the massive LS you get from it is very OP.
stop picking up blues, and yellows less than 61 ilvl.
Blues have always been a waste of time and even with that ilvl 63 stats anything less than 61 doesn't have high enough base armor or dps to be worthwhile (exception being rings and amulet, always pick them up).
I know it may feel like you will make less, but trust me one thing everyone how can make a decent amount of gold has in common is they dont waste time on items they know will be trash.
Also familiarize yourself with other classes stats and nitches in gearing, you can make a lot of gold off rares selling in the 100k-2m range. Oh and don't be greedy with the items you do put on AH, 85% of auctions expired cause some idiot thinks his item should be worth more than it is, expired auctions don't get you anywhere.
2mil is quite expensive for such a belt. Though this isn't really "the price check thread".
I'm interested in hearing how people are doing with this build since 1.0.5. Especially the sprint variant (as after all, anything that isn't running at minimum 40% increased movement speed is not going to be anywhere near as efficient as sprint/whirlwind). I still highly doubt it would beat sprint/whirlwind when it comes to clear speeds but I'm at least interested to see if it can come close or not.
No not quite as fast as WW/Sprint, adds about 15-20 min to a MP 5 act 3 full clear to me, but is very viable still. Wth 5% or more LS it really starts to shine in survivabilty, even with low AR and armor like I have atm. Right now my rend crits have ticked for up to 260k, bash crits for 600k and charges crit for 700k with no WotB and I'm still well short of my end goal for gear. Its also a very good spec against Uber bosses
Either way WW builds with OP are more OP than 1.0.4 WW atm so really the only way to go if you want go with absolute best spec available that is the way to go. If you love 2 hander, board as hell of WW, or don't want to change again when OP gets nerfed next patch (which anyone using it with WW knows it will) then this is very much a viable alternative.
Overpower is overpowered, especially with WW spec.
Crushing advance gives you 35% damage redirection, meaning not only do you take 35% less damage it gets redirected back at monster. To make it even more OP, Life STEAL still works 100% with overpower and was not subject to the original LoH nerf, so you get massive heals from it that only get bigger as MP goes up.
Hmm.. wanted to reply to this. Im not using charge anymore.. dont really like the skill. I just wanted to give my opinion about slam. I think seismic slam is the most awesome skill with barbs. My main attack is Bash - Punish.. with that i can buff my dps for short period of time every now and then. My main dps skill is seismic slam - strenght from the earth. I gain fury from using battle rage with the 15 fury gained from crits. And i also use overpower with crit rune. So i just basically stay away from mobs and crap and just spam seismic slam and destroy everything. So awesome... now i never really die and farming is very fast. Though when 1.0.5 comes out, i need to get some getaway skill like leap or charge. I havent really never liked rend build.. i just feel more safe to stay semi ranged and in that purpose seismic slam works great. I think everyone who has problems surviving in act3 should try this build.. as long as you have enough crit chance to gain fury from crits. Here's my profile:
I used a build like that back pre 1.0.4, have though about going back to it cause I do mis seismic slam. However I'm too in love with merciless assault and rend atm
i'd like to play on US servers, 50 mil for 5 IK pieces...on EU cheapest chest is 70-80mil
seems like a good build but nothing can compare to WW's speed and thus efficiency, especially if doing "alkaizer runs", not to mention the reason why i switched from 2H to dual wield and that is constantly getting stuck in middle of animation because of slow attack speed
Yeah I wouldn't believe 50mil for 5 IK pieces, cheapest chest I've seen in the last 2 weeks was 90m, and outside gloves your looking at 30m each for the rest.
Also saying he got a LL Skorn for 5 mil.. yeah right
The skorn was cheap because it didn't roll such high Crit Damage and it didn't go over 1.4k DPS overall. The IK pieces I got a steal on boots, gloves and helm from someone on the Trade channel who let them go for 30mil all three of them. The chest I bought with real money for about $15 and the belt for $5. So right around 50mil for the 5 set pieces. Deals are out there just gotta search for them and be patient.
Ok a Skorn with LS even at 1.1k dps was over 100m even with a low crit roll pre patch, even now post patch they still are over 70m... and if you truly found idiots willing to part with IK that cheap then your the luckiest man alive, cause even the crap pieces sold for 30m easy
using this build in 1.0.5 only changing leap rune to the one that adds a stun to it and the war cry rune to the one that gives health and health regen and its working great.
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Very nice, I would have accepted the challenge myself but 1) cant fraps on my comp and 2) I'm not a godly geared barb lol
Great job though
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Obviously...
Since its in the barb forums
Funny thing is Im sure there will be a video of other classes doing this run faster soon, its just barbs are more motivated and less Emo
On another note, anyone else notice the trend I'm seeing with barbs that the records are done with Throw/Hota Barbs, would like to see if a WW barb can come close, but haven't seen it so far. I think the damage ability of WW has been exagerated far to long, no doubting the speed though (I still use it for low level exp/farm runs)
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Barbs have plenty of variety, its just people are stuck on WW because thats all the sheep talk about. Throw barbs, Hota, Rend, Merciless assault. All are equal or better in terms of dps/survivability, the only thing they dont have is the speed. However adding 2-3 min to an alkizer run isnt going to make or break you unless your going for some kind of record speed clear.
Actually monks have a spec for that too, infinite Tempest Rush. Takes a more specific gear set but I dropped 45m to completely gear my monk for it and do alkizer runs + rakiks crossing and keep 3 in 10-12 min.
Anyways as to the topic, while there are no official words from blizz about a nerf, I would expect that Overpower: Crushing Advance will somehow be nerfed for the spec since having 80-100% uptime on a 35% damage redirection + the massive LS you get from it is very OP.
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Blues have always been a waste of time and even with that ilvl 63 stats anything less than 61 doesn't have high enough base armor or dps to be worthwhile (exception being rings and amulet, always pick them up).
I know it may feel like you will make less, but trust me one thing everyone how can make a decent amount of gold has in common is they dont waste time on items they know will be trash.
Also familiarize yourself with other classes stats and nitches in gearing, you can make a lot of gold off rares selling in the 100k-2m range. Oh and don't be greedy with the items you do put on AH, 85% of auctions expired cause some idiot thinks his item should be worth more than it is, expired auctions don't get you anywhere.
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No not quite as fast as WW/Sprint, adds about 15-20 min to a MP 5 act 3 full clear to me, but is very viable still. Wth 5% or more LS it really starts to shine in survivabilty, even with low AR and armor like I have atm. Right now my rend crits have ticked for up to 260k, bash crits for 600k and charges crit for 700k with no WotB and I'm still well short of my end goal for gear. Its also a very good spec against Uber bosses
Either way WW builds with OP are more OP than 1.0.4 WW atm so really the only way to go if you want go with absolute best spec available that is the way to go. If you love 2 hander, board as hell of WW, or don't want to change again when OP gets nerfed next patch (which anyone using it with WW knows it will) then this is very much a viable alternative.
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still using enchantress, prefer 3% AS 5% Armor and 15% damage increase from erosion over 3% crit
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Crushing advance gives you 35% damage redirection, meaning not only do you take 35% less damage it gets redirected back at monster. To make it even more OP, Life STEAL still works 100% with overpower and was not subject to the original LoH nerf, so you get massive heals from it that only get bigger as MP goes up.
Enjoy it before its nerfed.
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Left click: Bash - Punish
Right click: Rend - Blood Lust
1: Charge - Merciless Assault
2: Leap - Death from Above
3: Battle Rage - Marauders Rage
4: War Cry - Impunity
Still working out some kinks in my gear since 1.0.5 like low resists and armor but still am not having to many issues.
I have also played around with a seismic slam build, while that was fun, I prefer the mobilty of this spec.
http://us.battle.net...45/hero/3329090
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Uh wouldn't that be something they did right? That would be broken as you could just hit 2 buttons and never die.
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I used a build like that back pre 1.0.4, have though about going back to it cause I do mis seismic slam. However I'm too in love with merciless assault and rend atm
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Ok a Skorn with LS even at 1.1k dps was over 100m even with a low crit roll pre patch, even now post patch they still are over 70m... and if you truly found idiots willing to part with IK that cheap then your the luckiest man alive, cause even the crap pieces sold for 30m easy
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there is a thread on this forum that dicusses HoA builds if thats what your into
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