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Not sure what's so hard about leveling a dupe. Care to elaborate?

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I've spent ~1500 shards for 2H weapon and none of them was legendary! fck ths sht

The odds of 20 gambles with a 10% win-rate giving you absolutely nothing is about 12%... the RNG sorting hat put you in the bottom one eighth. The good news is, the odds of your next 20 gambles giving you absolutely nothing is only about 12%

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not sure if anyone posted, but don't compare class balance at top players from each class, but rather 1000th player from each class.

That's not meaningful, as it's sensitive to class popularity. Ideally, you should take the whole GRift distribution curve, normalized for population, and check the tail. With error bars in place, tails that fall off (statistically significantly) faster than other may indicate class balance issues. However, they may also indicate set bonus balance issues, which (obviously) correlates with class balance, but is a completely separate variable that Blizzard can adjust.

IMO, the biggest problem currently is simply the grossly disproportionate power from certain 6-piece sets. They're a hard RNG check, and seriously obfuscate class balance issues. Personally, I think Blizzard ate a fistful of paint chips with those damn things. Variation is what makes long-term grinding fun, not chasing an RNG cock-block... that's just exhausting.

Each class should have a few 6-piece sets with good, solid bonuses for three pieces and no higher. This makes getting those bonuses easier, as 3 out of 6 is much easier than 6 out of 6, it adds flexibility, as you can mix'n'match to keep the bonuses from any given set, combine the bonuses from two different sets and use ordinary legendaries if there's not pair of 3-piece bonuses that fit your playstyle. However, as with that stupid ring, Blizzard has painted themselves into a corner that they won't be able to get out of without causing legitimate anger, not just the petulant carry-on we're seeing here.

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If what you say is correct, every company that writes large applications will have lots of bugs. Is that the case ?

PS: Boeing 7XX aircraft control system has a few million lines of assembly code yet, no bugs. Google it if you think it's impossible

Google turns up numerous cases of 7XX software failure. It's a straw man anyway. Bug-free code is possible, but it's impossible to prove it for non-trivial cases. It's also seriously expensive to develop even five-nines code, that goes triple when the target is a $60 game written for a 3rd-party OS running on a general purpose computer. Moreover, anyone who thinks that software should only be released once there are no known bugs clearly knows nothing about development, QA or project management.

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Most importantly though, the game will always,

This. And the most significant thing to consider here is that it doesn't matter how close the specs and classes are. It doesn't matter how small the gap is between the "most superior" and the chasing crowd. The players who care about that will all flock to the one top spec.

We've seen this in WoW. Talent or gear choices that were literally 1% worse than other alternatives were decried as completely absolutely useless, and it was accepted that anyone who played a 1%-inferior spec was a hopeless noob and should at the very least quit the game forever, or better still kill themselves for the sake of the gene pool.

So what you're saying is that people would exaggerate small differences to ridiculous proportions, confuse tenuous opinions with robust facts, declare any dissenters to be idiots, fanboys or both, and then drag the thread on for far too long in their bizarre crusade to try to get self-professed fans to be as negative about the game as they are in a process which is indistinguishable from trolling?

Gosh. I hope that doesn't happen here

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Three, what will that cost?


Six, What will that cost?


Eight, what will that cost (money/time/PR)?

I highlighted the only 3 questions in your hypothetical post that blizzard would really only care about.

Thankyou for doing that. It really helped clear things up. So now we know the following:

1. Blizzard only cares about money. Three times as much as usual.
2. Blizzard releases large content patches for a non-subscription games well past their sales peak.

Therefore we can conclude the following:

3. Blizzard can create new content for zero cost.

It therefore follows that Blizzard is not releasing nearly enough content, given that its costs them nothing. So that means they're greedy and lazy!

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#highfiveself
#strokeneckbeard

Isn't laughing at people getting hurt on TV the fundamental premise of AFV? ... or NFL, if I wanted to get snarkier.

All that's changed is that YouTube and Twitch provide a much bigger platform for douchebags to be the douchebags they've always been. This isn't a fundamental change in human nature, just a fundamental change in the visibility of human nature.

All that really matters (in the modern age of online, server-side gaming) is how the authorities respond. I don't really give a crap how many idiot cheaters streamed the exploit, or how many idiot sycophants applauded them... what I care about is how Blizzard responds. I'd prefer banning, but paragon resets will do.

Yeah. People never boasted about cheating before YouTube came along, WoW never had a one-button healbot and they never put cheat codes or ads for ROM hacks in magazines either.

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Sorry, we > you, Blizz caters to the majority, not the minority. No one gives a shit what you want, you're obviously sticking your nose up Blizzard's a-hole this whole thread already, we're discussing how sad this rehashed content is to be given to us as a glorious "MAGICAL PATCH 2.1"

Kurwa I hope Russia goes after your country next

I'm not the one placing "we" before every opinion I write down.

Probably because you're suffering from a bad case of perspective. What you need in an infusion of self-righteous conviction, then you'll realize that your opinions are actually empirical truth, that dissenters are mindless fanbois, and then we can all get on with agreeing with each other about how awesome we are and how dumb Blizzard is.

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Firstly, enough with the 'No-one wants X', and 'Everyone just wants Y' nonsense. We're not a goddam hive-mind... hell, we're not even a representative sample. If you're not starting a D3 design discussion with those facts in mind, you're off to a bad start.

For me, the power reset, seasonal achievements and ladders are exactly enough to get me player ladder characters in SC and HC. Season-exclusive nonsense, non-trivial rewards for ladder places, no new achievements... those would have turned me right the hell off... but as things currently stand, I'm really looking forward to 2.1.

Balance, on the other hand, is a total chimera.The profusion of skills and runes aren't there to give us a billion different ways to faceroll Torment 50, they're there to add variety to a grindfest. They're there to give dirty, disgusting casuals who don't care in the slightest about efficiency a ton of fun things to discover. They're there to let us pick a stupid zero-synergy build and see how far we can push it. If you want the best efficiency, you run one of the proven cookie-cutter builds and suck it up. That's the price of playing at the edge of the difficulty curve. Everywhere else in the game, you can pretty much use whatever spec you want and do well enough.

As to the discussion at large, it's completely spurious to assert that Blizzard is spending hundreds of thousands of dollars at the very least on content when they have no idea whether or not people will actually like it (which is what 'out of touch' basically means), and it's doubly spurious to assert that the hate-bait of the month runs the entire team with an iron fist. They're adding features that a lot of people want, and a bunch of people don't want... but seasons and GRifts are completely optional. Don't like 'em, don't play 'em. The only thing about that situation I don't like is that it does mean that effort is being taken away from fixing stuff I care about (like a completely irrelevant Story Mode), but I'm not going to call anyone a drooling incompetent because of it.

It's worth bearing in mind that what good design means, and that includes software design, is taking what people say they want, picking the signal out from the noise, decoding it, reading between the lines, and using your skill, intuition and experience to use that feedback to make a better version of the thing you already had in mind. Blizzard's task is to make a better Diablo3, not check off a crowdsourced feature list.

That screenshot of an unspecified realm at an unspecified time is proof that not only the game is boned but that it's specifically because of changes to trials and exp exploits? That's impressive.

My clan is still active, my friends list is still active. My anecdotal evidence and yours seem to not agree, solution? PILLOW FIGHT!

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Three, what will that cost?


Six, What will that cost?


Eight, what will that cost (money/time/PR)?

I highlighted the only 3 questions in your hypothetical post that blizzard would really only care about.

If your snide bullshit was even remotely accurate, we wouldn't even have a 2.1 patch to whine about bugs in.

I'm not sure where you got that I think there shouldn't be new items added until the "casuals have found every item." That's neither inferred nor explicitly stated in any of my posts because that's clearly something that only an idiot would believe.

That being said, I feel like I'm talking to a politician in that I'm talking to you, but you're not really listening, you're just waiting for me to stop talking so that you can start talking. In an item-based game, when certain items are locked in a particular game mode for a period of time, that means the game mode that doesn't have those items is, BY DESIGN, inferior. It's no different than Campaign Mode being inferior by design.

I am against that kind of "this is the best place to play because it's got all the items, got the best drop rates, etc." design. Why can't non-ladder campaign mode be just as rewarding as ladder adventure mode? Why is that such a far-fetched idea? How does that make anyone "entitled?" Why is it that ladder people get to be special snowflakes? Why not hardcore players? Why not people who play only Act 5 in story mode? Why not people who log in only on Tuesday nights?

Why should ANYONE be a special snowflake?

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If Kadala wasn't such a stupid mechanic with a horrible rate of return -- I would not join RiF channels. But she sucks, so I do it.

And this is why I will never fully support RiF.

I feel like it's a bunch of people who feel as if they're owed a full class set within 5 hours of hitting 70 trying to figure out how to make it possible by letting everyone else do the work for them and then joining a game to collect some blood shards and then heading off to Kadala to gamble and then coming to the forums to complain that they've spent 1,000 blood shards and haven't got a full set of BiS legendaries.

Allowing people to just jump in, at no cost, for the rift guardian, and collect blood shards creates a very entitled attitude about Kadala. And I don't like it. It's not good for the game.

The problem with Kadala isn't that she's too stingy, it's that she's far too generous when combined with RiF. For the AVERAGE player she's probably tuned just right. For people who are gaining ~100 blood shards for 30 seconds of work, she gives out way too much.

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I don't know?

If you play 60 hours/week for a month you've still got 240 hours of playtime out of a game. You're somehow trying to argue that's unacceptable, which I find to be not only stupid, but pedantic. It should be common fucking sense that if you play a game as much, or more, than you spend going to your job that it's going to become stale faster than if you played more like a normal person.

It's YOUR choice to do nothing but play one game 10 hours per day for six straight weeks. Bobby Kotick isn't sitting in your house with a gun against your head forcing you to do so. In short, if this is how you approach gaming, then you need to take personal responsibility for your choices. Blizzard is not obligated to protect you from your own shitty, retarded, decisions.

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OK, time to debunk this common lie. How everyone plays this game affects everyone else who plays it. Take for example Perma-Archon/Berserker builds, the few people who were really abusing those mechanics affected everyone when those abilities were nerfed and the ability to extend them was pretty much completely removed. What are those of us playing the way it is intended suppposed to do when they start making balance changes based around people having full sets of legendaries from cheesing through normal? So seriously, stop with the "it doesn't affect you" BS, it's not true. This game is being designed by MMO makers, they will continue to make balance changes for everyone based on the few. Most of you have probably played MMOs, can you really say you haven't been nerfed because of someone else exploiting? I'm assuming you weren't the one exploiting...and honestly with this crowd, I'm not sure that's a good assumption.

Your example is more along the lines of players exploiting a bug (I'm not saying "Perma-WotB was exploiting, ban ban ban!"). It was an unintended method of play (EDIT: we can infer this because it was fixed). The runes were probably designed with 'average' stats in mind, not considering astronomical crit-stacking etc, and likely under-tested.

People playing on unchallenging difficulties is obviously (obviously) intended. You yourself say they're MMO-makers. That MMO itself has no lock on backwards progression! By which I mean if I'm in iLevel 600 gear, it doesn't stop me from going back to Mogu-Shan vaults and utterly wrecking face, or soloing level 90 heroics, or previous expansion content. Furthermore, if it was intended that you always be pressing forward on the difficulty curve, you would never have been able to go back from nightmare to normal in the first place! If they did not intend for players to be able to ROFL-stomp old content, it is trivial to make it impossible to turn down the difficulty.

Provided that, it is also trivial to adjust the drop rate for uniques on lower difficulties, but they didn't do that either! They have to know full well, with all the experience from Diablo 2 (observing its history if not hands-on development work), and pre 2.0 Diablo 3 that many players strive to find the most efficient path of conquest, and if they're not going to close off unchallenging content, then if they want players to be 'forced' for efficiency into content that challenges them, then they have to adjust the item drop rates appropriately. They did not. Ergo, your entire premise is a fallacy; it is logically inferrable that this is, in fact, an intended method of play.

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I pointed out a problem, and get 6 pages of insults...but I bet your statement doesn't apply to them does it? Just the guy who wants to end your gravy train.

You pointed out something that, at best, is a very minor problem and you did it in a highly aggressive and argumentative way. There are more posts in this thread that boil down to you insulting people who disagree with you and accusing them of farming Normal than anything remotely constructive. You've neither proposed any functional solution or even accurately identified the problem (because you cannot QUANTIFY how this alleged Normal farming is so superior).

Therefore the problem lies with you. Not us. If you think there is a problem you need to do a way better job of articulating it. Have you gathered information yourself? Maybe you could sway some people if you could put some videos together showing that you can, personally, farm 50% more legendaries per hour in Normal than in Torment.

But without that kind of quantitative data all this thread amounts to is you whining that not everyone is playing the game exactly how you think it should be and then calling them cheaters, kids, and such. Real intelligent and mature!

If you want something fixed you're going to have to at least show what is broken and why it needs to be fixed. If you cannot even quantify that Normal has better legendaries/hr than Torment then you have no position. You need facts to back up your opinion. Facts tend to lead directly to actionable points. If your first post was "I did some data collecting and I found that doing the same runs in Normal that I did in Torment 1 yielded 25% more legendaries per hour in Normal" then maybe you'd have a different response. You might have people questioning your data gathering techniques, but you would have people discussing something based on quantitative analysis of a situation.

All you've done is qualitative analysis and berate anyone who dares to disagree with you. That's hardly a good way to get people to see things your way. And, ultimately, if you believe something needs to be fixed you are trying to convince people to adopt your position on a subject.

Why did Diablofans turn into Battle.net forums with this shit. Honestly The hatred is too much; take that shit to the official forums so we don't have to deal with this. Fuckin' nonsense people can't even make arguments without calling each other names and bashing each other for opinions.

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Yeah, they nerfed not only CotA, but every mob in game.

But they didn't nerf "every mob in the game."

If you can't even get your facts straight there is no discussion to be had.

It's more likely that you don't want to have a discussion, you just want to rage rage rage about everything. In that case I'd suggest the battle.net forums where you'll fit right in with everyone else. Meanwhile people who actually want to talk about the game without resorting to demonstrably-false hyperbole will hang out on a site where people like you are treated like the trolls you are.

Enjoy!