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    posted a message on "One of the Chosen" Feat of Strength
    Quote from Hexy

    This is not even comparable.

    In both of your examples, both players had the ability to try. The problem is with Blizzard giving rewards to the people THEY selected in the first place. Personally, I believe being selected to participate is just reward by itself, but to further aggravate loyal fans who would love the chance to be picked but weren't, by making it absolutely impossible to reap the same rewards, somehow, is absurb. Everyone who has played Diablo 2 to some extent knows how random MF'ing can be, that's the point. However, everyone has the ability to keep running stuff and increasing their chances through more attempts. Eventually they will be rewarded with good drops. It will happen in time. Rewarding people who were selected by Blizzard to participate is not analogous to your example because the ones who weren't selected had absolutely no definite control over their chances to play the beta.

    To be fair, more keys were given out for D3 beta as contest rewards than tickets sold for any given Blizzcon- and you certainly had a level of control when it came to the contests (how many you enter, how vigilant you are to be first poster, etc.). Personally, I got my key from the Gamefront tiwtter giveaway. A lot of people entered, knowing it was going to the first 500 people who retweeted their tweet, and they never followed up on it until all the keys had been given out. If you dont alreayd know, there was a huge snafu with this contest, as Gamefront thought twitter kept a sorted chronological list of the retweets (they dont). They only show a sampling of 50 retweets from the first to the most recent. Thus, the guy could only give them outto people on those list. There was a topic here on D3 that was talking about it (later in the very same topic that advertised the giveaway before it started) where people who had retweeted after some people were getting keys. It was then found out if you tweeted at the guy giving them out asking why you hadnt recieved your key, and he could see you had posted before other people he had given a key too, you were instantly sent one. Thats how I recieved my key: my vigilence in entering contests and following up on them.

    At the end of the day you can view it two ways:

    1) It was totally random and out of your control. Cool, then that means everyone had the same equal chance of getting the FoS and it's not fair to say "we had no opportunity to get it" when you had just as much of an opportunity as the next guy. You just happened not to get picked, and I'm sorry but thats the nature of random chance. Not worth being angry at those who were lucky, or feel like you were personally cheated by blizzard.

    2) The contests were not random and people could increase there chances of getting keys (by using scprits, or creating builds that won contests, entering every single contest, etc.). You could say they had "unfair" advantages, but strictly speaking you had access to all the same resources as they did and could have done what they did. There was nothing preventing you from getting a key this way. Hell, you could have even found and bought one from someone personally. You may disagree with that, but its ludicrious to suggest there is absolutely nothing you could do to get a key- there were simply no things you were willing to do (buy a key, write a script, watch the internet like a hawk for months, etc.). And ultimately more people got the FoS this way then people who have any given blizzcon FoS, so you can't say the contest group alone isn't enough people to warrant a FoS.

    In either case, there is no issue of fairness here. There is no reason to feel slighted or cheated out of anything because you weren't owed anything in the first place. You can't say you had no chance because you had the same exact chance as everyone else for the opt-in invites. You also can't say there is nothing you could do to get a key as that is also clearly false as many people did get a key without being randomly selected.

    There's just no reason to habor any resentment towards anyone that isn't jealousy at it's core. You wanted to get into beta but didnt get selected. Now that those people are getting something to prove they were in the beta (and thats really all this FoS is- almost every other developer does this) you are angry because you feel like they already got enough. You are mad someone else got something you didnt. That's just all there is to it. And if all else fails and no amount of reason or logic can prevent you from being angry at the 'chosen' or at blizzard- then let them know with your wallet, don't buy diablo 3.

    EDIT: This will also be my last post on this subject. The fact this has been an issue at all I find incredibly indicitive of how childish and petty grown ass adults can be with anonimity and the internet.
    Posted in: Diablo III General Discussion
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    posted a message on "One of the Chosen" Feat of Strength
    Quote from SaracenS

    Alright let me articulate why I don't think this is fair. Blizzard has stated in the past feats of strength were something very difficult or something that is impossible to obtain anymore. They have maintained however through actions and wording that everyone has a chance at the feats. But with this beta that has been flipped, not everyone could have a chance for this feat, infact short of black martket buying a CD Key from a fansite there was no way to be guaranteed to get it.

    Now before you say things like "well I never had a chance to get a gladiator FoS.". This is false you had every chance to get it, you just didn't that is why them giving a FoS away for beta after maintaining for years they would never do it alienates their userbase.

    my 2 cents.

    Let me articulate why you don't think this fair is completely unjustified:

    Blizzard has stated in the past feats of strength were something very difficult or something that is impossible to obtain anymore.
    Yup. This is how FoS work. This is also why they don't give achievement points, but are simply badges of proof for being in a limited number of people for a certain event.

    They have maintained however through actions and wording that everyone has a chance at the feats.
    "Equal chance" in this regard can be interpreted somewhat subjectively. For example, opening the gates of AQ40 could have technically been done by anyone, but certainly we can't say everyone had an EQUAL chance at it. Only one person on the server could do it, and the quests that were required to get the hammer to ring the gong were only completable by a servers top guild(s). An entire guild that is the best on a given server all working so a single individual could ring the gong- hardly something everyone had equal access to. Another example is Blizzcon- whose tickets sell out within hours of going on sale. Clearly there are more people trying to get tickets than there are tickets, even at the moment of becoming available. Not everyone of them is going to be lucky enough to get a ticket.

    But with this beta that has been flipped, not everyone could have a chance for this feat, infact short of black martket buying a CD Key from a fansite there was no way to be guaranteed to get it.

    Here is where you logic train jumps the tracks into a chasm. How is being lucky enough to get into beta any different than getting lucky enough to get one of a few thousand blizzcon tickets when tens of thousands compete to get them? For the ten thousand people all clicking "Buy Tickets Now!" the second they go one sale, and all the people opted into the beta, they both have an equal chance of getting the tickets or invite, and certainly not all of them are going to get what they wanted.

    I also want to ask, how in the hell could you possibly say "not everyone could have a chance for this feat" when everyone had a chance? An equal chance to be precise when it comes to opt in invites. And for contests, well clearly everyone had an equal chance at those as well. I guess you could say "the contests weren't equal- some people used bots and scripts to get the twitter keys!" Well yeah, and you could have used those scripts too. It's no different than someone needing an entire server top guild to get the AQ40 feat. while some people have greater access to tools, everyone still ad an equal chance of using those tools.

    And yes, you could also just buy a key from someone. you can also buy CEs on ebay for extra mark-up, you can buy blizzcon tickets from a scalper for mark up. Everything you can get a feat for can be bought. In fact, since you can buy accounts on 3rd party sites or on ebay, you can buy any item in any game ever! The fact someone can buy a beta key means absolutely nothing to this issue- you can buy anything with money because it's a fucking form of currency. If you have issues with that then god help your soul.

    Now before you say things like "well I never had a chance to get a gladiator FoS.". This is false you had every chance to get it, you just didn't that is why them giving a FoS away for beta after maintaining for years they would never do it alienates their userbase.

    By this point it's clear you simply have no idea what the word 'chance' means. You had a chance to get into beta (assuming you were opted in or competed in contests). The same chance as all the other people who were opted in, or entered said contests. Unfortunately you didn't get chosen. But thats what chance is. It sounds like what you want is for a series of actions someone can do, and if they do them they get a feat. That's not chance. Thats a Gurantee. Thats not what feats exist for.

    that's my 2 cents
    Thanks for letting us know you are a jealous bitter human being.
    Posted in: Diablo III General Discussion
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    posted a message on A pvp debate
    There is nothing more to say in this discussion that hasn't already been said. There is no good that will come from continuing to discuss this issue to death.

    Different people value different things when it comes to games. Some people prefer PvE, some PvP. Blizzard has stated they are focusing on making diablo 3 a co-op PvE game on a fundamental level and have made design decesions based on that direction. If you don't like that, then I'm sorry. If you do like that, then awesome.

    End of discussion.
    Posted in: PvP Discussion
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    posted a message on Am I the only one not rolling WD because they're silly?
    Quote from Khrull777

    @Karsen, Would you prefer a version of Diablo 3 where all the characters are white? Personally, I wish each of the characters carried a briefcase, since I can't relate to carrying a sword to work.

    I would prefer a version of diablo 3 where I can customize the skin color, hair color & length, body type, and gender to that of my personal preference, rather than having race/gender locked to a specific class (thankfully we at least have gotten a choice of gender).

    I belive all people should be able to make their hero look as similar (or different) to themselves as they would like. It is, after all, an action ROLE playing game.
    Posted in: Witch Doctor: The Mbwiru Eikura
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    posted a message on My wife just texted me.....
    start her on barbarian. My GF loves games but isnt that great at em. So kiting isn't really going to be in her abilities. I feel like barbarian is the most intuitive place to start for most girls. Possibly the Wizard.

    I would definitely avoid having them play demon hunter, witch doctor, or Monk
    Posted in: Diablo III General Discussion
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    posted a message on Attack Speed & Different Spell Types
    Quote from soulzek »

    A good and convincing post, but you are leaving out a major factor that makes faster attacks far superior to slower attacks. This effect is currently proven in the beta. I won't tell you what it is outright to leave a sense of mystery to it :miniD:
    Quote from sacridoc

    I know what it is...

    See if anyone else figures it out.

    These posts are incredibly asinine.
    Posted in: Theorycrafting and Analysis
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    posted a message on Why people will buy items off the RMAH including possibly myself
    Quote from Markco_Polo

    You missed people like me who are going to want to purchase crafting materials in bulk.

    Gold has a real money value, so you need to blur the rmah and gold ah. Even if I buy 300 essences from the gold ah, that has a corresponding rmah value.

    For example, if I want to craft these: http://www.diablo3go...ig-profits.html

    Hey look at you posting a link you were explicitly told multiple times to stop posting because it's a link to a scam site to sell worthless gold maing guides to people for money that have no actual content

    post reported.
    Posted in: Old Trading
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    posted a message on I missed the Demon Hunter Sigel
    Quote from Ashadelo

    Quote from Riesza

    I think there will be a grace period before release where you can claim them all.

    I just tried it right now but there was no option to enter email address etc

    That grace period isn't right now....

    look, like a week or so before release, when they've done this for all 5 classes, there will be like a week where you can do this for any of the 5 classes and still get the sigil. that week will be for anyone who missed any Sigils in their own week.
    Posted in: Diablo III General Discussion
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    posted a message on Beta gave Witch Doctor a bad rep?
    Yeah you don't get much in the beta with the WD, but I dont think he is gimp at all. On the contrary I think he is going to be quite strong in general.

    I think one of the WD issues though is that the whole old naked african tribesman with parkinsons who shouts in gibberish when you use skills is one of the big turn offs of the class. Much harder to relate too. I think the female WD is much nicer to play as because of this. Since there is no way to fulfill the male power fantasy by playing as the WD, I think many players will avoid him out of aesthetics.
    Posted in: Witch Doctor: The Mbwiru Eikura
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    posted a message on The Patch 16 Demon Hunter is Stayin' Disciplined
    complaining about nerfs of runes and abilities literally no one has used

    you people are so blinded by your fanboyism it's surreal - and this is coming from someone whose favorite hero is the DH
    Posted in: Demon Hunter: The Dreadlands
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