11/19/2013 7:59:21 PM
So looking forward to it. I hope I can get in through opt-in. Otherwise I may have to resort to a contest on this site like last time. I'm also psyched about the full expansion being available. Im curious though if we have to level up a new character or if we could get one created right at 60?Posted in: News & Announcements
8/29/2013 10:54:01 AM
Posted in: Lore & Storyline
That, I can't say for sure. I mean, all of our encounters with Tyrael as an angel has been with his hood up. We never even saw his face. So is his current face that which was under the hood or do angels even have faces? Cause all the other angels besides Imperius have hoods and we don't even see a head nor eyes under those hoods. And even for Imperius, we don't see his face. Just his helm on top of a black, thing. Though he could have noticed it was Tyrael if what he saw resembled the Tyrael he knew. But I still think he just sensed it was an angel type soul. And that's why he left him alone.Quote from MientaI'm pretty confident in that Malthael knew it was Tyrael.
8/29/2013 12:00:27 AM
Posted in: Lore & Storyline
Where do you get this connection of him not carrying? Also, he was shrinking into darkness before the worldstone's desctruction. It was after that when he left the High Heavens. Also, if he wanted to trap every angel and demon in the stone, why did he leave Tyreal? Malthael sensed that he was not mortal, he most likely knew that he was actually a fallen angel. Though I doubt he knew that it was in fact, Tyrael. And also, if he did trap every angel and demon, who would be able to control the Soulstone to create a new universe? As we have already seen, the Lords of Hell can hardly be contained in the stone. So all of the Archangels being in it as well could quite possibly destroy it.Quote from 1up_MushMalthael did not just abstain because he was not wise enough to decide. He abstain because he did not care. At least this is what he said and what's written. Malthael first purpose is not hunting down the Nephalems. Remember that the event that really mattered to Malthael is the destruction of the world stone. This is what drove him crazy. This is where he started all is wondering thinking about the meaning of life and death. He did not give a fuck about Nephalems.
Malthael was first interested in getting his hands on the black soul stone. Why? He wants some sort of power in order to achieve something. That something is presumed to be righteous intent since El'druin passed trough him.
Malthael then goes wandering about collecting the essences of demons, angels and the living things upon sanctuary. What will happen when all Angels and demons will be trapped into the black soulstone? Seems to me like the essence of Anu and Tathamet being reunited. Will the black soul stone form the pearl that was once at the beginning of all time?
Now, this is what you find on Wiki when you search for Anu:
Made of shining diamond. Anu was the sum of all things: good and evil, light and dark, physical and mystical, joy and sadness—all reflected across the crystalline facets of its form. And, within its eternal dream-state, Anu considered itself—all of its myriad facets. Seeking a state of total purity and perfection, Anu cast all evil from itself. All dissonance was gone. But what of the cast-off aspect of its being? The dark parts, the sharp, searing aspects of hate and pridefulness? Those could not remain in a state of separation, for all things are drawn to all things. All parts are drawn to the whole. Those discordant parts assembled into the Beast-the Dragon. Tathamet was his name-and he breathed unending death and darkness from his seven devouring heads. The Dragon was solely composed of Anu's cast-off aspects. The end sum of the whole became a singular Evil- the Prime Evil, from which all the vileness would eventually spread throughout existence.
The diamond warrior and the seven-headed dragon proved to be the equal of the other, neither ever gaining the upper hand in their fierce and unending combat-till at last, their energies nearly spent after countless millennia of battle, the two combatants delivered their final blows. The energies unleashed by their impossible fury ignited an explosion of light and matter so vast and terrible that it birthed the very universe all around us.
Now, once again, i will ask you guys, what will happen if Malthael successfully traps all aspects, dark and light? Will it result in the creation of a new universe? Malthael became a madmen because of the world stone. He probably found the way to feed his needs. If Malthael was to revive the worldstone or a new universe, this would definitely be something that we could call righteous intents. I believe that Malthael is still haunted by the world stone and all his actions are driven by that. Why Malthael did not appeared earlier in the story? Seems to me like he appeared not long after the black soulstone was retrieved.
8/28/2013 7:49:35 PM
Posted in: Lore & Storyline
I was kinda thinking along the same lines. Malthael didn't vote because he was not sure what was the right choice. There was just not enough facts present to him to make up his mind. However, I think he saw how corruptable we were and that the Primes were trying to use us as weapons that he decided to kill us. Makes sense to me. But that's just me.
If he wanted to do that then wouldn't he have voted against letting Sanctuary exist when the Angris council decided?
It's because he did not know what to do during the voting hence he was said to have went mad. He reappears now maybe because he finally has an answer.
8/28/2013 7:17:20 AM
Posted in: Lore & Storyline
Yeah, it is like a horoscope. I mean, almost every word as multiple means. But I feel we will get no where on furthing a solid theory until the Book of Tyreal is released. So once I move into my new place and get all my shit figured out, that book if being preordered.
People are going to interpret the events that have happened as the prophecy being fulfilled. It is subjective validation.. especially since a lot of the lines are a stretch to have been fulfilled.
'wisdom shall be lost' = 'Maltheal isn't around and no-one knows where he is'... really .. 'lost' could mean anything but everyone was 'choosing' to think it means 'absent' (at the time of D3 release), and now after RoS announcement people are choosing to think it means that he was 'lost' to darkness and became Death.
If Maltheal has been the angel of Wisdom for eternity then he better not have some dumb motive to do what he is doing... surely he would have heard about 'the prophesy' too.. surely he should be smarter than everyone...
I am going to go with the idea that I think the prophecy is a crock of shit.. (created by Beliel haha.. just kidding, Beliel sucks at lying)
There is never an End of Days.. time is infinite and the prophecy sounds like it comes from collective simple minds who think time must have a Start and End point.
However, going all paradoxy on time, I think you're wrong. Time it self is deemed as infinite. But one's time is seen as a finite number. Something that has to end. And that might be what the title, End of Days, is refering to. That it is the End of Days for the Nephalem. Potentially Angels. But definitely for the Nephalem. But once again, going all horoscopes on this.
8/27/2013 10:15:14 AM
Posted in: Lore & Storyline
I don't think it was Itherael that wrote the prophecy. He is not known for interacting with mortals. Also, and this is pure speculation, I don't think he could even see Tyrael falling. Cause he can not see the fate of the Nephalem, he could not see Tyrael choosing to become a mortal nor any of his interactions with them. So who is the person that made the prophecy? I don't know. I may reread, again, the Book of Cain and see if it is mentioned in there, but I think this needs to be addressed.Who wrote the Prophecy? Itheral?
The other thing I want to add is that I think it was always highly presumptuous for Tyreal to call himself 'Wisdom'
I think that Maltheal IS STILL WISDOM and at the End of this expansion (RoS) he 'will be lost' and then the prophecy will really begin!
I also think that 'FATE lies shattered forever' will actually refer to Nephalems having free will...
And onto Tyrael. I think him proclaiming that he was Wisdom was more of something to say he is done being Justice. As Justice is a very fine line, especially because one person's justice is different from anothers, it is probably the hardest one to follow. However, it was Tyraels wisdom that helped the Nephalem seal the Prime Evils in the first place and it was even his Wisdom that saved us back in Lord of Destruction and helped us save the day in D3. Cause if the Worldstone was not destroyed, regardless of whether it was still corrupted or not, the Nephalem would not be as powerful as they are now, making it harder to even kill Super-Diablo. (P.S. I like the term Super-Diablo for his incarnation from the power of all Lords of Hell. There is probably no greater term besides this to describe him.)
Malthael not being Death was just speculation. As of now, I actually still side with it. Granted, somethings with the original theory are already proven wrong. But I could easily change those suspisions into others that would still fit in with the new information given. And with him trying to use the Soulstone to become Death. I don't really see how that would fit. I mean, it would be a cool theory to speculate on. But becoming a god, and especially one that could kill anything, seems more selfish than searching for more power to destroy and nephalem and restore balance. The major thing is, he supposedly has Righteous Intent. Now whether that is based on what he believes or something that, at some angles, can be seen as Righteous, who knows?Quote from 1up_MushI think that Malthael is really death. I think it was in Athene's interview that Josh acolyte(can't remember is name) said that Malthael was death.
I think that Malthael is seeking the same power Kule was seeking from the black soulstone. He might want to infuse the power of the soulstone (after trapping as many soul as he can) to make himself a god of death. I think that "fate lies shattered forever" refers to the black soul stone being shattered and thus putting an end to the possibility of trapping the demons soul anymore.
8/25/2013 3:19:05 PM
Posted in: Lore & Storyline
Well, with the new info posted about the expansion, it is said that he no longer carries his chalice. While the chalice didn't help him too much with his wisdom, it was still symbolic of him. I feel ditching that showed that he gave up being Wisdom. But the only book I have read is the Book of Cain, so who is this Blood God you speak of?Quote from AerisotI was thinking that Malthael is actually just a minion of the Blood God whom is mentioned in the books and was rumored to be the big bad of Diablo 3 like 11 years ago.
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As someone pointed out, how could Maltheal find the Black Soulstone, especially so fast? I believe that Tathamet was the one that told him. Not that Tathamet knew the location before Tyreal and the Horadrim decided on it but that Tathamet can sense the power from it like someone knows where their arm is. That power, the Lords of Hell, are a part of Tathamet so the ability to find where it is does not seem unbelievable. And so I think Tathamet knew that it was going to be placed in Sactuary, probably general location due to the travel to the location was going to be long, so he had Maltheal follow the Stone to where we see in the Cinematic and then we get what we saw.
Thanks you for reading my speculation. If you have any opinions or maybe want to add further, please do so. I look forward to the Reaper of Souls and learning more about what is to come in the Future of Sanctuary.
One other thing I would like to point out, he is still Wisdom, so I would still say he is smarter than every other angel, he knew where they would hide it, and followed Tyrael.
I think that Imperius has not succumbed to Wrath. I feel that what we saw in Vanilla was his pride, taking hold. He was too proud as an angel and as Valor to get help from, what he believed, a lesser race. I think his attitude is different torwards the Nephalem now. And Fate being shattered would need some HUGE event that was not forseen by Itherael. The Nephalem was huge, but I think he can still see the future of the Angels. But I agree, can't wait for the game to release. Will pre-order that CE and hope for a Midnight Release in my area.Quote from Ashy_LarryAnd, at the End of Days, Wisdom shall be lost
as Justice falls upon the world of men.
Valor shall turn to Wrath
and all Hope will be swallowed by Despair.
Death, at last, shall spread its wings over all
as Fate lies shattered forever.
so this is how i look at it, most of it happened already.
Wisdom shall be lost. Malthael left.
Justice falls. Tyrael = falling star.
Valor turns to wrath. Imperius became wrathful towards Nephalem. (hmmmmmm????)
Hope swallowed by Despair. Auriel = captured by Rakanoth = Lord of Despair
Death spreads wings. Malthael (possibly corrupted? but was he? remember that wrathful guy????) Angel of death.
Fate lies shattered. Itherael... they're coming for him, why? who knows. Imperius seems to be the culprit to me. perhaps he's the reason why Malthael became Death. hence why his endevours seem just. Fate is blind to nephalem.
figure, maybe you'll sacrifice yourself in the end? nephalem alike.
Maybe imperius wants the black soulstone? maybe he knew where it was going to go. maybe he recruited Malthael, maybe that's why hes "corrupt." it seems the idea here is that all angels will fall... Maltheal left, tyrael shed his wings, imperius became wrathful, it appears hope will be all that remains. i'm thinking your goal is to save Itherael..
we won't know til it comes out, and i'm certainly one person that can't wait...
8/24/2013 9:47:41 AM
Posted in: Lore & Storyline
My theory is that Malthael is not the Death that is referenced in the Prophecy. He most likely is, cause Blizzard has used Death so much to describe him. But I am firmly keeping my Tin Foil Hat on till RoS is out!Quote from DaurothAt the end of the cinematic, Tyrael says to Malthael: "The Nephalem...will...stop YOU!" and Malthael responds: "No one...can stop...DEATH!" which implies that Malthael is indeed the personified Death, if you will.
Diablo is just being his cocky self. Not really wanting to admit defeat. But we already know Malthael's plan will go somewhat awry. Just like how Diablo's plan went somewhat awry.
But I can't wait till it is out to learn more of what happened and etc. I know some people disliked the story of vanilla, but I loved it. That is the main reason why I am back here with my crazy theories!
8/24/2013 7:24:41 AM
Posted in: Lore & Storyline
I saw that too. But I also thought up a couple more theories on that but with the recent info of his actions being Justifiable, it means that they are both wrong. However, I have a new theory on how Malthael may have fallen. So bear with me on this.Quote from JinshinAn interesting observation I've read is that Tyrael's sword, El'druin, passes straight through Malthael. It is said in the Book of Cain that El'druin cannot harm anyone or thing of righteous intent. Just something to think about.
So after the Sin War, we know that the Angels voted on whether to destroy the Nephalem or not. Tyreal voted no with a 3-1 vote. However, I think the reason why Malthael abstained from the vote was because he did not know them well enough. Later, during the Mage Clan Wars, I believe Malthael was watching the Nephalem to get a grasp on their motives, life style, and whether they were powerful. But what he saw instead was destruction. They slaughtered each other and even innocent people. Even when Horazon and Bartuc battled, they themselves destroyed a city and kill hundreds of thousands. Malthael saw all that he needed and regretted his decision to abstain. He then decided that he would try to learn their future.
However, Fate can't see the future of the Nephalem, so he went about finding out a different way. During that time he spent looking for another way to see the future, the Dark Exile happened and everything Tyreal did was still kept in shadows because Malthael stopped watching the Nephalem. At least until he heard tale about the Sightless Eye. The Sightless Eye is a mirror that can reportedly pecieve the future. It is probably the one item in existance that can tell the future of the Nephalem. According to the Book of Cain, the Sisterhood of the Sightless Eye stole it from their homeland and fled to the Eastgate Keep. That is where they set up their new group. And its whereabouts are currently unknown to Cain, so I think it was take as well. I believe that in between The Sisterhood moving there and Andariel taking over the Sisterhood, is when the Sightless Eye was taken.
I think Malthael took it. He ended up seeing the future of the Nephalem. He saw the destruction of the Worldstone, and fate of the land that the Stone inhabited, and I believe he even saw the corruption of the High Heavens and the Nephalem there as well. But he also saw that Diablo had invaded. Now at the time, he did not believe what he saw was true. But when the Worldstone was destroyed, Malthael understood that what he saw was true. So he left the High Heavens, to search for a way to stop the next vision. What happened during those 20 years of absence, no one knows. But I believe his new power was a means to try to defend the High Heavens. However, he could not.
And when the High Heavens were attacked, he also saw what happened, hiding in the shadows. And the death of Diablo was probably the biggest thing that he saw. He didn't see it happen in the Eye but with his own. He then realized how powerful the Black Soulstone was, and the Nephalem themselves. Believing that they were too dangerous to be kept alive, he decided to destroy Sanctuary. And quite possibly with the Black Soulstone. Why not take care of two birds with one Soulstone? So I think he will try to destroy the Soulstone along with Sanctuary. And that is why it is believed that his actions are Justifiable. And also why he didn't kill Tyreal, because he sensed that he was still part angel.
8/21/2013 11:54:52 PM
Posted in: Diablo III General Discussion
I feel a Spring release would be the latest we would get the game. However, depending upon how much we see at Blizzcon, I would say February would be the earliest. That is still almost six months till. But I am not surprised that they announced it now. Diablo 3 is kinda in the back of my mind. I will occasionally play it but that is like once a month right now. I am spending more time play LoL, SC2, and even WoW. So this feels, in my opinion, a bit late. It is something interesting to think about and with Paragon levels having more meaning in RoS, that it might get people back earlier so that they can get more for those extra stats. I know I want to get more paragon levels so I can hit harder.
I was honestly surprised with the expansions announcement.
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