Are you suggesting I get my games free? I paid full price out of my own pocket to reserve my collector's edition. I think you may have some construed image of who I am or how much money I have.
I care very much about what happens on these forums, that why I've stuck around. I don't like to limit discussion where it's not necessary. Just like it's not illegal to discuss drugs in real life or to admit to using them in the past, it's not against the rules to discuss hacks/bots here or admit to using them in the past. If at some point in the future I feel it's becoming detrimental to even discuss bots I'll make a rule to disallow it but right now without the actual game even being released there is little harm of just discussing the subject.
Ok Daemaro,
One simple question. A yes or no answer will do.
Do you like hackers posting in your forums?
Edit; just forget it. Its clear to me that no one here has really thought about anything ive said.
You all have just dismissed everything i have said even where proof was involved.
Its sad day when mods take the side of hackers.
The next time your playing a game and the fun gets ruined by a hacker.
All of you that particpate in the nefarious threads full of hackers.
Wether you realize it or not. Your playing (no matter how small) your part in the downfall of the very games that you love and paid money for.
Don't bother to reply i won't be coming back here.
You say self admitted hackers like I can even prove such a thing. If this were a court of law I'd need some form of evidence still. If they start posting videos of themselves hacking and botting, then it becomes my problem. General discussion is fine but I won't let it bleed into promoting or advertising.
People can admit to anything but at the end of the day, they're not hacking this site, they're CLAIMING to have hacked/botted on a game that we have no control over to stop it besides reporting it. Which is what we did.
The evidence you seek is in that thread many of them say clear as day that they have hacked games.
They confess to it in thier own words.
The only thing that im suggesting you have control over is your own website.
And sadly it seems you really do not care whats posted or who posts as long as it doesnt have links or guides.
Its like you all get your games free. I have to pay for mine only to be ruined by the same people that you let post in these forums.
Pretending things aren't there isn't going to stop them at all. A forums intent is for discussion. Discussing bots or not discussing bots won't make them disappear. We allow discussion but not linking to them because discussion is harmless, when people start posting the names of bots, how to obtain them, anything like that, it will be shut down. Knowing it's a problem is a good thing.
The first thing we did when we caught wind of it was report it to Blizzard, in the end that's all that can be done really.
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I think I covered the rest of it in my two quotes from the last thread.
The thread raises concern for how much progress has been made in ways of cheating the game. I think it's something we should all worry about to an extent. If anyone in the thread provides links to the hack/bot or the name of the hack/bot report it. If it's just discussion then it's fine.
We stop people from discussing it here and they will just go elsewhere to discuss it. Somewhere darker and more underground. So within reason we allow discussion. So long as there is no descibed way or link to hack or obtain the bot/hack.
Blizzard has already been made aware.
I suppose the all the hackers that start and post in these threads are harmless too?
The thread that i read that started my attempt to put a stop to this was FULL of self admitted hackers.
Do you really want these types of people posting in your forums?
I think my story demonstrates how discussion can end up spreading hacks/bots.
Why does blizzard lock/delete threads of this nature?
The only rebuttals ive seen to my agrument is that people need to know about bots and discussion is harmless.
I think eveyone know by now what to look for when it comes to bots and hacks sence its been goin on for such along time. I think my story i wrote proves that discussion is not harmless.
Botting is a topic for discussion. There is nothing wrong with talking about it. But sharing it publicly shouldn't be accepted. People will share their information behind the scenes as they wish; that's on them. It will happen whether it is policed or not.
People talk about drugs in school. Should we ban all talk about drugs because they are illegal to use?
Your logic is flawed, sir.
Well there is two things i can say about illlegal drugs. One they are bad stay away from them. Two stay away from people that use them.
Also maybe discussing onyl the negative effects would be ok, but people cant just do that.
They like to talk about how good it makes them feel and how much fun they had.
So talk like that peaks the interest of some young people that may caus ethem to try drugs.
I agree with you. A few days ago, there was a bot link on the homepage of this site. I didn't open a thread advertising it, I informed a moderator. The thing is that if I didn't know that bots were possible, I wouldn't have bothered.
I'm not saying we shouldn't punish offenders, I even think they're not punishing them enough. But people needs to know that there are bots around. Living in the bliss of ignorance does not make the world a better place, it just shades your vision of the bad stuff.
I agree people should know what to look for so they can report these things. But i also think most people know this stuff already.
These types of bots/hacks have been going on for along time now.
But there is a fine line between telling people to look out for suspicious activity and just openly discussing hacks/bots.
To his defense, he explained that these discussions have the goal of informing people, of raising awareness, not to spread the bots. Knowing about an issue is the only way to protect yourself from it and/or combat it. I think we can all agree on this. In your mindest we shouldn't talk about drugs because people want to try them. That's extremely short sighted.
If i knew all the information in the world on hacking/botting i still could not do a thing to stop it.
The best thing i could is report it to blizzard so they can stop it.
Me posting all i know about in forums only spreads the information it doesnt stop it.
Blizzard them selves deletes locks thread pertaining to these subjects, becaus ethey know as I do it only serves to spread the information.
While i realize banning the topic here will do little to stop hacking.
Should we not try?
Putting murders in jail doesnt stop people from murdering, but should we just let these people run loose with no punishment. This anology is a bit extreme but same idea.
My post was a reply to most of what have been written in the thread. Try reading it or will you continue to read what you want and reply to what you want and ignore the rest. Seems a bit trollish, don't you agree?
You're talking out your ass now too, what am I not reading? Apparently I am not the only one confused with your post, that's about the first thing me and jedivh have in common. Tell me what to read and I will reply to it, I am not trying to troll anyone, nor am I consciously ignoring anything.
If anyone is ignoring anything it is jedivh, he even keeps telling everyone that he blatantly ignores what I am saying. Very mature way to discuss a topic I must say.
I see why he is confused now. I didn't notice there were multiple quotes within his first post.
So you could actually skip everything I've written now and I'll just feel ashamed. : )
@Jedivh
Sorry, confusing CnP made me read it all so ever wrong.
Nah dont be ashamed its my fault for bad quoting.
I really dont know how to quote from another thread.
on topic; to sum up
Its me saying hacking/botter discussions should not be allowed.
Then trombone saying he should be allowed to spread the hacker porn.
What's with the odd quoting crap? Lol. You can quote me all I want, I still did nothing wrong. You are officially too butthurt to have a sensible conversation anymore. I kinda feel sorry.
Is this all you reply with? "u mad?" "u troll?"..
@Jedivh
That isn't all that fair though, is it?
While I do agree that it shouldn't be in a place like this and even if I do agree with your scenario since it is how it will turn out or in a similar fashion. People will be urged to re-search anyhow so yes, just like Hellmaister said, zero tolerance.
I'm not sure how botting affected you. However, just like the others turned to botting so did you and I dont see how you are any different. Like you said; If you can't beat em, join em. There will always be some sort of bots or "Chinese farmers" to rattle the economy.
It really sends a strange message when you say, "I do not care for any other game but pretty please, don't hurt my D3". I have payed a lot for World of Warcraft (multiple accounts, transfers, monthly payments, race changes) and here you are blatantly shouting out, "Do you like having games you have paid for being ruined by others".
So shame on ye!
I think my poor quoting skills have you confused. or i'm confused lol.
Sorry if I confused you. I used @Jedivh to reply to what you've written throughout the thread, regarding your history of botting and your hate towards botters and the mixed message you are sending.
I see, seems we are both confused. Sorry for the bad quote , but trombone is the person who is talking about how he hacked in games not me.
What's with the odd quoting crap? Lol. You can quote me all I want, I still did nothing wrong. You are officially too butthurt to have a sensible conversation anymore. I kinda feel sorry.
Is this all you reply with? "u mad?" "u troll?"..
@Jedivh
That isn't all that fair though, is it?
While I do agree that it shouldn't be in a place like this and even if I do agree with your scenario since it is how it will turn out or in a similar fashion. People will be urged to re-search anyhow so yes, just like Hellmaister said, zero tolerance.
I'm not sure how botting affected you. However, just like the others turned to botting so did you and I dont see how you are any different. Like you said; If you can't beat em, join em. There will always be some sort of bots or "Chinese farmers" to rattle the economy.
It really sends a strange message when you say, "I do not care for any other game but pretty please, don't hurt my D3". I have payed a lot for World of Warcraft (multiple accounts, transfers, monthly payments, race changes) and here you are blatantly shouting out, "Do you like having games you have paid for being ruined by others".
So shame on ye!
I think my poor quoting skills have you confused. or i'm confused lol.
I think there should be a 0 tolerance for it. And I do mean 0! All forums should get in motion to start deleting all talk about exploiting without any exceptions. Every mention of such things should immediatley be erased! Because by doing so the forum wont contribute in any way from spreading such things and those who want to cheat are forced to do a more aggressive search elsewhere.
Even if you start a topic about how bad cheating, duping, hacking botting etc is it should be deleted. Even if you just happen to mention in a thread that you used to know a guy who enjoyed exploiting the game there should be a deletion. 0 tolerance is the way!
You could always write a email to Blizzard about it. If they care enough they might contact Curse, who will chew out this site administration. It is at least far more effective and constructive rather then checking everyones post history going "ur hacker!"
Do you like having your games ruined by people like trombone? Games you paid money for.
If you don't then stand with me. dont trying to take jabs at me ><.
For the record that trombone quote is from a thread that i started. So i didnt go checking anyones history to find dirt on them.
The way you are portraying this affair is absurd and wrong. Your story would never play out here, because there are rules to prevent it, and the thing you claim I did, never happened either.
For the record, the "Hacker A" he is refering to is me, but I never had any contact with any "hacker B", and I NEVER told anyone where or how to find bots, or how to use them. Not on this forum or in private messages.
You had your previous thread locked because it went right in the gutter, do you expect this one to fare any better? You're contradicting yourself too, now you actually admit that banning me wont help, but you still think it should happen. Sounds like a personal attack toward me more than anything. Why are you making such a fool of yourself?
I never ran bots in D2, but boy did I bot a lot in WoW. There's no secret there, I've admitted to that many times on this forum. I sold gold (about a mill), I botted for a couple years, and wallhacked/speedhacked for even longer. But that was in wow, and I don't intend to do it in D3, unless it becomes way too big like it did in WoW. If you can't beat them, join them.
I'm not a whiteknight no, all I said was that I report all exploits and such that I find in D3. I do that because I want the game to be as clean as it can be, but if it turns to shit I wont hesitate.
Now back to my previous post you never answered to, I was asking for an elaboration. What is it I don't understand?"
Posted 27 March 2012 - 01:53 PM
"The thread raises concern for how much progress has been made in ways of cheating the game. I think it's something we should all worry about to an extent. If anyone in the thread provides links to the hack/bot or the name of the hack/bot report it. If it's just discussion then it's fine."
This was in response to another thread about banning topics about botting/hacking.
I'll tell a little story about hacking/botting discussions.
So once apon a time,
Hacker A comes into a forum to start a thread about the progress of bot/hack. Now this hacker claims he is reporting all this for the good of the game, but then he also says if alot of other people hack he will too. So then he posts pics and videos.
He posts his thoughts and ideas about said hacks/bots. Then a whole discussion takes place about the bots/hacks and what it will do to the game.
Meanwhile hacker B comes in and reads the thread. Then he says to himself, hey I didn't know there was a working bot for D3 I need to find out about this. Hacker B makes post asking hacker A where he found this information. Hacker A says well its against forum rules to post links. So hacker B sends hacker A a personal message asking for the info then hacker A gives it to him.
After that hacker B goes and reads and researches all about these bots/hacks. He figures out how it all works. Then he decides he should make a guide on how to use these bots/hacks sense noone else has done so.
After making the guide that he posts to some file hosting site or a hacker site to be viewed or downloaded.
Hacker B then comes back to the forums saying he knows all about the bot/hack. He gives all his ideas and opinions about it blah blah blah. He also mentions he has even made a guide about.
Now, another hacker, hacker C comes in to read all this. He says, wow a new bot/hack I need to find out how to use this. So he asks hacker B (in a personal message sense links/guides are against forum rules) where can i get your guide on said hack/bot?
Hacker B tells him. Then hacker C tells two friends then they tell two friends etc... till the whole internet is talking about it.
The End
I hope this story shows how discussing such destructive topics make things worse. I know that diablofans.com has drawn a line where tey stand on the subject. All I'm saying is taking it a step farther and ban the subject totally. I also realize that banning it won't stop hacking/botting, but it is the right thing to do and it is a step in the right direction.
All you that think we should openly discuss cheating.
How does it help you in anyway besides giving you more knowlege of cheating?
which in my mind we should be reducing knowlege of it.The fewer people that know about it less it will happen.
There is a channel for reporting these issues nonpublicly.
Thats why blizzard locks deletes threads in the offical forums discussing exploits and hacks.
To reduce the spread!
I think diablofans should be a little more responsible and take the same stance as blizzard.
And btw I'm not bashing diablofans.com. Much love, I come here daily for all my d3 news.
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Ok Daemaro,
One simple question. A yes or no answer will do.
Do you like hackers posting in your forums?
Edit; just forget it. Its clear to me that no one here has really thought about anything ive said.
You all have just dismissed everything i have said even where proof was involved.
Its sad day when mods take the side of hackers.
The next time your playing a game and the fun gets ruined by a hacker.
All of you that particpate in the nefarious threads full of hackers.
Wether you realize it or not. Your playing (no matter how small) your part in the downfall of the very games that you love and paid money for.
Don't bother to reply i won't be coming back here.
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http://www.diablofans.com/topic/37781-diablo-3-loot-scanning-mod-model-swapping-and-the-first-bot-no-guides/
The evidence you seek is in that thread many of them say clear as day that they have hacked games.
They confess to it in thier own words.
The only thing that im suggesting you have control over is your own website.
And sadly it seems you really do not care whats posted or who posts as long as it doesnt have links or guides.
Its like you all get your games free. I have to pay for mine only to be ruined by the same people that you let post in these forums.
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I suppose the all the hackers that start and post in these threads are harmless too?
The thread that i read that started my attempt to put a stop to this was FULL of self admitted hackers.
Do you really want these types of people posting in your forums?
I think my story demonstrates how discussion can end up spreading hacks/bots.
Why does blizzard lock/delete threads of this nature?
The only rebuttals ive seen to my agrument is that people need to know about bots and discussion is harmless.
I think eveyone know by now what to look for when it comes to bots and hacks sence its been goin on for such along time. I think my story i wrote proves that discussion is not harmless.
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Well there is two things i can say about illlegal drugs. One they are bad stay away from them. Two stay away from people that use them.
Also maybe discussing onyl the negative effects would be ok, but people cant just do that.
They like to talk about how good it makes them feel and how much fun they had.
So talk like that peaks the interest of some young people that may caus ethem to try drugs.
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I agree people should know what to look for so they can report these things. But i also think most people know this stuff already.
These types of bots/hacks have been going on for along time now.
But there is a fine line between telling people to look out for suspicious activity and just openly discussing hacks/bots.
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If i knew all the information in the world on hacking/botting i still could not do a thing to stop it.
The best thing i could is report it to blizzard so they can stop it.
Me posting all i know about in forums only spreads the information it doesnt stop it.
Blizzard them selves deletes locks thread pertaining to these subjects, becaus ethey know as I do it only serves to spread the information.
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Should we not try?
Putting murders in jail doesnt stop people from murdering, but should we just let these people run loose with no punishment. This anology is a bit extreme but same idea.
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Nah dont be ashamed its my fault for bad quoting.
I really dont know how to quote from another thread.
on topic; to sum up
Its me saying hacking/botter discussions should not be allowed.
Then trombone saying he should be allowed to spread the hacker porn.
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I see, seems we are both confused. Sorry for the bad quote , but trombone is the person who is talking about how he hacked in games not me.
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I think my poor quoting skills have you confused. or i'm confused lol.
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I agree 100% botha!
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Do you like having your games ruined by people like trombone? Games you paid money for.
If you don't then stand with me. dont trying to take jabs at me ><.
For the record that trombone quote is from a thread that i started. So i didnt go checking anyones history to find dirt on them.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 03:39 PM"Trombone, on 27 March 2012 - 03:00 PM, said
LoL.
I never ran bots in D2, but boy did I bot a lot in WoW. There's no secret there, I've admitted to that many times on this forum. I sold gold (about a mill), I botted for a couple years, and wallhacked/speedhacked for even longer. But that was in wow, and I don't intend to do it in D3, unless it becomes way too big like it did in WoW. If you can't beat them, join them.
I'm not a whiteknight no, all I said was that I report all exploits and such that I find in D3. I do that because I want the game to be as clean as it can be, but if it turns to shit I wont hesitate.
Now back to my previous post you never answered to, I was asking for an elaboration. What is it I don't understand?"
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Jedivh said,
"Every time you speak all I see is your a hacker and your responsible for ruining games that I pay hard earned money for."
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 01:53 PM"The thread raises concern for how much progress has been made in ways of cheating the game. I think it's something we should all worry about to an extent. If anyone in the thread provides links to the hack/bot or the name of the hack/bot report it. If it's just discussion then it's fine."
This was in response to another thread about banning topics about botting/hacking.
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Ok its story time!!!
I'll tell a little story about hacking/botting discussions.
So once apon a time,
Hacker A comes into a forum to start a thread about the progress of bot/hack. Now this hacker claims he is reporting all this for the good of the game, but then he also says if alot of other people hack he will too. So then he posts pics and videos.
He posts his thoughts and ideas about said hacks/bots. Then a whole discussion takes place about the bots/hacks and what it will do to the game.
Meanwhile hacker B comes in and reads the thread. Then he says to himself, hey I didn't know there was a working bot for D3 I need to find out about this. Hacker B makes post asking hacker A where he found this information. Hacker A says well its against forum rules to post links. So hacker B sends hacker A a personal message asking for the info then hacker A gives it to him.
After that hacker B goes and reads and researches all about these bots/hacks. He figures out how it all works. Then he decides he should make a guide on how to use these bots/hacks sense noone else has done so.
After making the guide that he posts to some file hosting site or a hacker site to be viewed or downloaded.
Hacker B then comes back to the forums saying he knows all about the bot/hack. He gives all his ideas and opinions about it blah blah blah. He also mentions he has even made a guide about.
Now, another hacker, hacker C comes in to read all this. He says, wow a new bot/hack I need to find out how to use this. So he asks hacker B (in a personal message sense links/guides are against forum rules) where can i get your guide on said hack/bot?
Hacker B tells him. Then hacker C tells two friends then they tell two friends etc... till the whole internet is talking about it.
The End
I hope this story shows how discussing such destructive topics make things worse. I know that diablofans.com has drawn a line where tey stand on the subject. All I'm saying is taking it a step farther and ban the subject totally. I also realize that banning it won't stop hacking/botting, but it is the right thing to do and it is a step in the right direction.
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All you that think we should openly discuss cheating.
How does it help you in anyway besides giving you more knowlege of cheating?
which in my mind we should be reducing knowlege of it.The fewer people that know about it less it will happen.
There is a channel for reporting these issues nonpublicly.
Thats why blizzard locks deletes threads in the offical forums discussing exploits and hacks.
To reduce the spread!
I think diablofans should be a little more responsible and take the same stance as blizzard.
And btw I'm not bashing diablofans.com. Much love, I come here daily for all my d3 news.
Just voiceing my opinions and concerns.