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Runes and runewords provide a LOT of different, good things to the game.

End game chase items, some very very rare so something to look forward to dropping.

A form of trading currency, since some were so rare and they'd be taken out of the economy by being used.

Could have potentially been a form of mystery, with a new runeword being something to hunt for.

Had another use besides being used as a whole runeword - gave player options for adding small stat increases in their gear.

I'm personally pretty disappointed in how their systems are being developed so far. I think they got the art right, and I'm sure combat feels good, but that's about it. I don't want to get all hyperbolic, but I'm REALLY insulted they are choosing to call this system 'Runewords'. A trigger and effect system? Sure. But they chose to cannibalize such a beloved part of D2, and something people have been begging for?

Not to be all negative but there are a couple worrisome things I've seen so far;

Minor things;

Not super stoked about 3 tiers of legendaries; Legendary, ancient and mythic or whatever they were. That's essentially the exact same system as what's in D3 currently, and while I didn't catch whether a legendary can drop in all 3 states or not, it still creates the same problem of 'a leg dropped, however it's not mythic or at least ancient so that sucks'. Also SOJ has been dropping as a regular legendary in the demo, so if it can't be mythic then that's just wasted potential.

More major things;

Very, very small amount of stats on items so far. Not a fan of an item just giving more 'attack' and 'defense', and hey it's got 3% attack speed. If that's really how it's going to be stat-wise, they've made it on par with D3, yet even more boring. Armors just have 'Attack' and 'defense', Weapons don't have damage ranges, or attack speeds, just a single 'weapon attack' rating. Didn't see anything about resistance stats on gear, let alone anything defense wise such as dodge / block / parry / resistance. Worrisome as a whole so far for actual items.

Runewords! God damnit I have to say this one just really irritates me. They ALLLMOST got it right, one of the funnest gear / drops from D2, because man when I saw runes drop in the demo I actually cheered. However they've said a couple times that 'runewords' exist, but really what they mean is you can socket a trigger and an effect. That is NOT runewords my dudes, and what's frustrating is you can have both this new rune system, while STILL creating hidden items found through using specific runes in a specific order. The existence of this system almost certainly means there wont' be extremely rare runes for chase drops either.

No character stat screen currently. I haven't found anything saying this is just a WOP which means that currently, D4 is the LEAST complicated game out D2 / 3 / 4 by miles. The 'stat screen' so far is literally 3 stats at the bottom of the character page, attack defense and life. I'm pretty there's mobile games with more then that.

The MMO aspect. It's one of those ideas that sounds cool at first, but doesn't hold up after you talk about it. Can you turn it off? What about any sort of community created challenges, which will be ruined by the rng of having random players just in your game world? Giant outdoor bosses are awesome, but HAVING to have a party / random players just personally sucks. Make the bosses super difficult, I'm for that 100%, but not mandatory party bosses.

Crafting. Unless I'm just 100% wrong about how stats will be at launch, I don't see crafting in D4 being good at all. Hell, as it stands now, D3's crafting is better simply because of more stats to choose from / balance.

Drop rate and rare gear. Again, if things stay the course we'll once more have a Diablo game where rare items are absolutely worthless in the end game, and serve only as gold / crafting mat fodder. With such few stats, there won't be any 'downsides' to wearing only legendaries, and with 3 tiers of legendaries plus sets, I just can't believe them when they say they won't be raining constantly.

No mimimap overlay, just a full map and a small corner one. Do I have to say more?

So I'm excited D4 finally got an announcement, but now I'm anxious to see how it turns out.

Edit; Rhykker's video states that it sounds like max level will be 40 currently. That's just... I mean there's a proven formula that's worked for years; Max level 99 or 100, and the last 10 or so are for the hardcore people who play the most, because you end up in the end game around 70 +. Cmon Blizz, dont' 'leave room' for expansions, this isn't WoW and we don't need level increases for expansions.

I forget how I found this site. According to my account that was 7 and a half years ago. Man, I checked this site multiple times a day, for YEARRRRSSSS. Getting drip-fed information was excruciating. I won a closed beta key from here, and I remember being absolutely stoked. I remember getting into some heated arguments as well haha. Hell, I defended stuff like the RMAH for awhile even.

I've said my thoughts on D3 awhile back, so no need to re-hash them here. Suffice it to say, my views on Blizzard as a whole have done a 180. It IS very sad to watch your favorite hobby, your favorite pastime wither. And I'm definitely surprised to see Diablofans going away.

I pretty much stopped frequenting this site about two years ago, when I picked up PoE. But it always held a spot in my chrome bar, and once every couple of months it felt like, I'd check in, only to see the latest threads have their last reply be days old.

Sad to see you go Dfans, you will be missed. (Bleu42 on poe / steam).

The fact that Blizzard is so god damned scared to talk about ANYTHING related to a 'diablo 4' is fucking frustrating. Wow Blizz, yea D3 on switch so god forbid you talk about anything else otherwise zomg less sales right? If they've been working on a D4 for years, as has been speculated, then they absolutely COULD have done an announcement this Blizzcon.

Brevik is right, Blizzard is being consumed by activision. They're more worried about some god damned switch sales of D3 then they are letting us know diablo isn't dead.

I'm so done being disappointed in Blizzard.

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I also come back once in a great while to see if anything is stirring.

I'm willing to bet there's never going to be another actual meaningful update to Diablo 3 again. Of course I hope I'm wrong, but the writing's on the wall man.

Literally all it takes is to look at Path of Exile, and you know that D3 lost, a long time ago. It it absolutely MINDBLOWING how GGG from PoE can not only continue to deliver NEW content every couple of months, but how they are actually willing to change / add / tweak existing content right after it's release. When's the last time you've seen something from Blizzard that was borked, and they changed it quick? Blizzard has drowned themselves in too much red tape. Look how long it took to get the Necro.

Hell, at this point if Blizzard DID do a Diablo 4 reveal, there's no way I could get excited. It would release with minimal content, and it would take YEARS to get more.

Poe is better here, Poe is better there,...
Yet u are on a Diablo forum.

I also come back once in a great while to see if anything is stirring.

I'm willing to bet there's never going to be another actual meaningful update to Diablo 3 again. Of course I hope I'm wrong, but the writing's on the wall man.

Literally all it takes is to look at Path of Exile, and you know that D3 lost, a long time ago. It it absolutely MINDBLOWING how GGG from PoE can not only continue to deliver NEW content every couple of months, but how they are actually willing to change / add / tweak existing content right after it's release. When's the last time you've seen something from Blizzard that was borked, and they changed it quick? Blizzard has drowned themselves in too much red tape. Look how long it took to get the Necro.

Hell, at this point if Blizzard DID do a Diablo 4 reveal, there's no way I could get excited. It would release with minimal content, and it would take YEARS to get more.

Lol yep I read all those listed ridiculous buffs. Really? Sets into the THOUSANDS of percent more damage?!

I'm so bummed I've been wasting my time with POE instead /s

Path of exile is absolutely better than Diablo 3 in every single area that counts.

To your question OP; Yes, D3 is finish the campaign, then do nearly the exact same content while slightly upping the difficulty by a few % (greater rifts).

Actually, if you want a quick rundown;

Farm one area until level 70 with massacre bonuses.

Craft armor and weapons because who needs to rely on item drops in an ARPG.

Immediately skip a couple of the 17 difficulties and put it on T1 because then sets can drop.

Now stand in town and do regular rifts or bounties.

Spend a couple hours at most doing the Season Journey and then get handed your 6p set.

Upgrade rare weapons that you craft and get your sets' mandatory unique weapon.

Now skip even more difficulty levels and move on to T6.

Now do greater rifts until you run out of stones, then do regular rifts.

And now, because a game that's supposed to be around hunting loot instead just hands you everything, the only thing of worth is trying for leaderboards. So get ready to use 1 set for your class that's far better than the others, and have no choice in items because there's multiple mandatory legendaries that your set requires.

But don't worry, having all the items drop all the time just means you get to hunt for the same pieces with just slightly higher stats!

Maybe sets should stop increasing damage by thousands of percent in the first place.

One of the reasons I'm having a blast playing Diablo 4. Strange they chose to name it poe.

Hey guys, just throwing in my 2 cents.

Reading the comments I think its time to clearify some things here. I've been following Diablo news (especially D3) since...forever? There are some details you might have missed the last few weeks and days.

Diablo 3 has been moved to classic games on the Bnet site, and all the previous job postings for the new unannounced Diablo project have been removed from the site. Just one job posting popping up, for the Diablo franchise in general, with C++ knowledge, and at this point speculations have gone wild as D3 may very well be in maintenance mode for good. So a new class or even an new Expansion for D3 is very unlikely at this point. It could be, but I am not betting on it anymore, since the game got moved to classics on the site. This means, in my personal opinion, that the game is done, seasons will go with the newly announced themed seasons for as long as it takes and new content will probably be just some bugfixes and patches throughout D3's lifespan that is.

What is coming next then?

Well D4 is innevitable. A Diablo 3 Eternal Collection Port for the Nintendo Switch may be a realtity too. A mobile game in the Diabloverse is likely too.

If you look all the job postings and all the news that have been online since there was the first job posting in 2015 for an unannounced Diablo Project, you may be understanding my suggestions.

If D4 will come in the next 1-2 years, it will unite MMO elements such as Lost Ark or similar games, with Microtransactions for cosmetics, stash, pets and so on, the playstyle I believe would be very similar as that what we know today, but there will be improvs to this. (See Wolcen)

They will probably going the Road that PoE has it going maybe...

Thanks, and have a nice day.

Hi. Lately i feel very disapointed about d3 after having played season 10 with my WD for a quite time.

my wd is 560 paragon levels, and beaten GR 71 as of now. i was really enjoying the game, feeling of progression and experimenting stuff.. but it stopped.

my problem at this point is.. not about lack of endgame content or atmosphere(.now of course those are issues, but they are already spoken a lot and i see no reason to discuss endgame or atmosphere of d3.) it is.. the lack of diversity, illusion of diversity in this game.

grasp of the dead... sacrifice... zombie bears.. all those skills... primary skills... lots of passive skills... there are tons of useless skills that drives me angry when i try to make builds for them, because simply, they DONT WORK!

and even worse, there are lots of cool looking items ---which are acctually not cool enough--- make one believe that you can do something if you use them... WRONG! apparently thats just an illusion. when you really put them on, and try to slay some demons, you see you just suck! you deal no damage or die instantly or both!

this game is very unbalanced and this really disturbs me. more then half a content for wd is just in the game to create an illusion of choice... i suspect same thing goes on with other heroes too. after all these years of developement AND even moving on to design another hero(necro) one expects core game to be in a good position allready... but im not seeing that at all!

i think devs should inspect closer and test every single item, tweak numbers here and there, and if necessary, even add some new items to make some combinations possible to work as they should. i ve only seen such change for spirit barrage, only 1 skill in whole wd skillset. its not useless anymore thankfully but.. saying again, its only 1 skill among all those useless pile of skills/items.

and theres also another issue, some usefull skills have wierd problems to be solved... for example soul harvest skill.. its very problematic when you enter boss fight, especcialy againts boss who are far, far away from white mobs... like the way to cydea. how am i supposed to use and stack this skill in cydea fight? frustrating...

to cut it short, i think there is a big unthouched sad pile of useless stuff in d3 still which are still not adressed/fixed.

whats your thoughts on this ?

btw, im sorry if my english is too bad and if makes it difficult to understand.

I posted this on the D3 Bliz forums, but i'm posting it here for visibility and discussion. I think this can add a very fun risk to the game and help advance characters into further GRs:

As a means to improve items and add a rewarding risk to the game, allow the mystic/cube to upgrade legendaries or only ancient legendaries.

What does this mean?

Using an NPC such as the Mystic or Cube, give equipment the option to be upgraded with a chance of failure.

What happens to an upgraded item?

If successful, every base stat of the item should be increased -- Not only would every base stat be increased but all rolls of those stats would reroll in the new range as well.

Ex: An ancient Yangs bow has the following default stats at level 0:
Dmg: 1318-1940
Dex: 825-1000
IAS: 5%-7%
dmg: 6%-10%
Resource: 40%-50%
Disc: 9-12

At level 1 which may have 95-100% chance of upgrade
Dmg: 1368-1990
Dex: 875-1050
IAS: 5.25%-7.25%
DMG: 6.25%-10.25%
Resource: 41%-51%
Disc:10-13%

If not successful, break the item. Make it unusable. I'd say destroy it; however, some people may want to show how high they've gotten something before it broke on them.

The leveling system doesn't have to be capped, but the chance of success should decrease with each level.

What kind of regents would it use?

Either new crafting regents can be implemented or it can require all bounty items/crafting items. The items needed to upgrade should increase per level of the equipment.

If there is a max upgrade level, an item that has been maxed can be signified by a border such as ancient items already are. (Maybe a purple/diamond/plat border)

This crafting system has existed in other games that i've played and it adds a very fun element. One thing i do NOT suggest is adding items to repair the item. This kind of ruins the risk.

For those who don't get why people are complaining about the announcements so far clearly you are both not very smart and aren't a big Diablo player specially Diablo 3 because...anyone can tell you that unless the next coming patch which 2.4.3? Are you fucking serious? If it's not loaded with balancing and tweaking as this game still seriously needs it to make the rest of the sets worth half a fuck an and the whole LoN concept a thing, this game is done even more so. Everyone's basically played any build they wanted to by now which are builds they offer, yes, they offer which is another major core issue with this game that being sets buff specific skills only so it's the devs laying out your play style for you. But everyone's done what they wanted to for the most part so....adding new shit to this fixes nothing, necro , new area, a temporary Diablo 1 thing is meaningless and hypes nothing being that it's going to be dropped into a game that's filled with drab gameplay which as I said has nothing left to really explore or satisfy your curiosity and a horribly boring end game. Until at least the rest of the sets are viable, the "return" they're hoping for will leave them knowing they fucked up aside from hearing from us over the last two seasons voicing or frustrations. Fuck endless paragon grind for mainstat only, fuck no caps on grs you never feel like you're doing good enough, fuck getting to level 70 so fast, they might as well start you there and your set in a few hours at most so all that's left is to find those other few pieces of gear which you have to have in order to do 20billion damage per hit and you find the first weekend of a new season. There's next to no rng or excitement to hunt for anything in this game. The entire core anticipation of an Arpg barely exists in this game. It's basically an Arpg for kids. There we go..Diablo 3 is the hack and slash overhead view Arpg whatever you wanna call it...for kids, spread it around.

Forget it man, Consecration is dead and they haven't wiped PTR at all.

Look while I think Drahque comes off like a jackass as much as everyone else does, and I do enjoy Quin's stream when he's actually pushing solo grift (I find watching other people speed gr/t10 super boring and don't know why people enjoy watching that), I do agree with the base reason for this thread. When I first saw "Quin69's Season 6 Guides" on the front page tabs I thought to myself, "WTF?" Honestly, unless money was exchanged and Quin is now officially sponsored by Curse, his name should not be up there. Maybe money has been exchanged. I wouldn't know. I don't follow him that closely.

Also, I do agree that Quin's guide aren't even the best or most popular guides out there.I referenced Drahque's season 6 starter guide a lot the first day. When I look at the builds sections, I usually pick my class then sort by "Top - Month" to get the most popular, up-to-date guides. I play hardcore Barbarian, and Drahque's guides are 1-3 in that sorting. Quin's is 4.

I do agree that Quin is probably the premier Monk streamer/guide maker out there. I followed his guides exclusively when I play Monk. I follow Wudijo for DH stuff.

I do also agree that Quin hasn't finished a season in more than a year? He can complain about botters all he wants, but if he wants to prove he's the best legit player (I use that term loosely because I have no proof whether he uses THD or not, and THD is as bad as botting) he needs to push through to the end and do his best. Him getting top 1 or top 10 or whatever in the middle of the season then quitting because botters overtook him means nothing. Every season, I'm like top 10 or top 20 in grifts in the first few days of season in hardcore. It means nothing if it's not at the end of the season.

Anyway, I think Quin is pretty funny and charismatic. I appreciate that he's probably the last real full time D3 streamer (until he quits each season of course). He has tons of well made videos. But he shouldn't have his own season 6 tab.

This season has been a boring one. Why? Because I accomplished my goals in one weekend. Technically, much less than a weekend if you add up all the hours.

Back in Season 3 I had to earn my items. When I completed a set it was a goal, like an achievement. I needed that set so I could get the fancy portrait frame. I feel good about having that portrait, I wear it with pride. Because...I earned it.

In Season 5 I don't feel like I earned anything. I went from T3>T7 in a matter of hours of casual play. The Firebird set was practically handed to me on a platter. I did not need to earn it, so I do not appreciate it. I tried the Firebird set dungeon, but it was brutally hard. So I went out and played to earn the DMO set. Then I did the DMO set dungeon, thereby completing Chapter 4. Getting past Chapter 4 and getting the portrait frame was the only reward this season, and it wasn't a very gratifying one.

I think progression has gotten out of hand in D3. Within the first weekend of Season 5 everybody and their momma was on T6 and paragon 700+. By Monday I already saw people inviting for T7-T10! This is ridiculous! Why have all these difficulties if players are just going to fly by them at warp speed? Nothing is earned or achieved anymore, it feels like everything is handed to you.

I want to play and enjoy D3. Not speedrun through it like a game of Spelunky. If I don't, I won't have anybody to play with because everybody is light years ahead of you speed farming T10 while they pass over paragon 1000 like it is meaningless.

What do you guys think? Is D3 too dang fast? Should it be a game that you play for 3 weeks and then dump until the next season? I don't think it should be.