Well, when I first posted in this forum my opinion on PvP you answered to me that I shouldn't play the game because it's not for me, even though I haven't stated that the game would be bad without competitive aspects. Here you go, one example of negativity to a new user.
You clearly do not look for agreement when you are publicly stating that the people you are talking to are bringing negativity to the community. You are insulting a lot of people.
This is also precisely what I see in ecutruin posts. I would like to see reason and logic other than "I don't accept thoes answers because they are not the answers I want".
Hrm...If you cannot enjoy the game without a strong competitive environment, then maybe the game isn't for you...that's not an attack, that's just explaining that Diablo 3 isn't catered towards a highly competitive environment. It's not meant to either, kind of end of story.
I do want to find a middle ground. If I didn't, I wouldn't be attempting to discuss the issues. I am looking forward to Arena and what it'll offer for the community. From playing the Beta, the game will be awesome.
I've given reason and logic. You avoided my question and instead of answering it, you tried to say the negative environment doesn't exist. Where~as my question was posed with reference to it existing. I've also explained where I've gotten my opinions from, and such opinions are based on my experience here on the forums, in other games, from other posters, etc. It is not a baseless opinion and either you have not experienced the same situations, or choose to ignore it.
There is no right answer it is all opinionated. Then they give you their opinions and you ignore them or treat them like children/idiots and say "your wrong" or "avoided my question". Now your saying you don't accept the answer unless it is your answer. My answer to your question is no I don't think competitiveness creates negativity or enables it. You will find the same "negativity" throughout the whole game, because it is in the players not the game. You are a very competitive person evident by you posting so rigorously on this forum and others about your anti-competitiveness. Furthermore, I think you are just trolling to distract everyone about what this forum is supposed to be about.
They have not answered the question, therefore I'm going to not accept an answer that isn't an answer to the question I asked. It's pretty simple. It's like asking the question "Out of two colors, red and blue...which do you like better?" and someone answering "elephant". They aren't giving an answer that represents the question. They are trying to justify the actions of a group of people that act in a negative manner.
I'm not trolling either. This thread is about Diablo 3 being an eSport, and I don't feel it should be...for the reasons I've cited. If that means we don't get private Arena's either as a result...I'm alright with that. They are not a NEEDED feature for the game to be amazing, and the public Arena system sounds like it will offer a fun casual environment for people to PvP.
You don't accept an answer that is not the only "true" answer to your manipulative question. Your question assume that everyone should view the competitive community as negative, and it's not true as many here answered to you. Interesting thing to note is that mostly you reply to every single post about competitive PvP. So maybe you are the negativity that attack everyone here? I think the environment is neutral.
Here's an interesting question, did you play Diablo 2 highly competitively? Do you play many other games with highly competitive communities? I'm curious what your actual experience with such communities actually is...because mine, has not been very positive. In any game with a highly competitive community it always ends up being as we've seen here.. the clash of casual vs competitive.
So yes, I'll not accept answers that revolve around people trying to excuse the behavior of people who use insults or badgering to defend their position. You cannot argue that the negativity doesn't exist because its very apparent. Sure, there are good sides to the competitive community, I won't argue that. However, if you look at the majority of highly competitive players posting here on the PvP forums...you cannot argue that they represent the negative aspect that I talked about.
I'd also like to know how I 'attacked' everyone here? By...pointing out that their suggestions go against the design that Blizzard has set forth for their game? To try and explain reasons as to why Blizzard made their decision? Maybe my attempts to figure out solutions that could bring the PvP and PvM communities in agreement for certain feature requests? Oh yeah... I'm totally being negative.
(Edit) You will easily be able to partake in this kind of competetive environment in Diablo 3. Though I have no evidence to support this claim, I think(hope) there is enough demand for 1v1 duels that Blizzard will implement them in the PvP patch.
Unless you've heard something I haven't, there is nothing to support that you will. What they said is that they may end up with custom PvP matches if they pass their review process for the PvP patch. However, they also went on to say that the effect such feature have on the community may be a good reason NOT to add such features. So, there is an equal change we will or will not get features required for such competitive environment.
Personally, I hope we don't. Primarily due to the reactions I've seen from the competitive players here. I'd rather not encourage such behavior at all.
Because only you view such environment as negative and you don't accept the answer that it might not be the case.
No, I don't accept an answer that is not an answer to the question. I'm not the only one that views the clash that happens when casual and competitive communities collide as negative. Its evident immediately due to the way many competitive players act here on the forums when a more casual player has an opinion about the game. If said opinion is not competitively focused, it's generally attacked. You think such an environment is positive?
If Blizzard really didn't want competitive PvP then they shouldn't have put it in at all. No matter how restricted it is, people will want more, these forums for example. The PvE will have the same amount of "negativity" as the PvP, because it is the person who is negative. People are answering your questions but I guess you don't want to read them.
No, people are doing as you did and giving reasons for the negativity, giving it excuses, etc. The exact question was simple, and it wasn't directly answered once.
ecutruin: You agree with blizzards stance and blizzard disagrees with the hardcore PvP playerbase, blizzard in turn gets alot of crap for it and you cant expect hardcore PvPers take another stance aginst those who agree with them. They want PvE and casual meaningless PvP. Hardcore PvPers wants PvE and AWSOME endgame PvP to focus on when we got the gear we want. Casual PvP just wont do, it will be meaningless to ALOT of hardcore PvPers, being unable to progress in some way is not rewarding, exciting, fun or positive in any way. Casual PvP will become extremely boring and alot of players will quit when they have nothing else left to do. When you've farmed inferno, perfected your gear, played alittle TDM, what then? You have NOTHING of value to gain within PvP after that. I hardly doubt people will play the game forever just to keep farming. Also, the team that loses gains ranking anyway, not just as much as the winner. What kinda stupid system is that? Rewarding the losing team? Even if they try to create this "casual" PvP, people will still think competetively, but will eventually get insanely bored for not being rewarded except gaining some new banners and achievements. Wohoo.. thats what i want. A banner and an achievement i will stare at for years. People will certainly look at it to! Not. I can use the freakin' custom banner for years to come, who gives a crap? There is no status shown with a banner. A player with a high rank, thats a status and gives braging rights. Blizzard wants you to PvP for fun. Fun in their eyes is just killing other players, nothing more. That will stop being fun, pretty quickly to. The way i see it, they have made an arena with TDM mode so far, all the rewards you can get isnt even rewards imo, i couldnt care less if i got a new banner or an achievement. As there is no penalty at all, players can watch a movie and just stand still in the arena, still getting rewarded for their awsome absence. Sure, it might be fun for a little while but, eventually pretty quickly you'll get bored and realize that there is nothing to improve and you have no goal to climb towards. And yes, there were rules within PvP in D2. Yes, it was pretty balanced with the rules used, ganking low levels is nothing a hardcore player does unless they're high or drunk and yes there were goals, becoming known as a good PvPer, some even arranged private tournaments with different prices. All D2 lacked was good systems to help making the PvP better. They lacked the technology we have today.
Gryzorz: PvP is competetive by nature and have always been. It's like saying pro football players isnt competetive at all. They need to be in order to have the motivation to play. If you're not competetive as a pro football player then there is not even the slightest feeling of happiness or sadness in winning or losing because it wouldnt matter if you werent competetive.
If you honestly want to reply to me, please actually break up your walls of text.
Gryzorz put it very well with his football analogy (+1). Just because it is PvP doesn't mean it needs to be a highly competitive environment. Instead, a PvP game can be designed in such a way that it rewards everyone that plays and everyone has fun. It doesn't need bragging rights, ranking, or any of that. I hope Blizzard achieves such a goal.
Negativity comes from persons, not pvp'ers, casuals or hardcores. It's not that hard to understand, is it ? You can't deny human behavious through internet. I want the game to be as best possible, and that means quality content for most kind of gamers (like blizzard ussually does). I still don't see the negativity as an only competitive issue, because here you are, as a casual fun guy, posting on a pvp forum about how they breed bad community members (short - morons).
By the way, you also say games are meant to be fun. You know fun is subjective right ? Or are we going to come back to the debate wether theorycrafting or playing to win is work instead of fun for some people ?
Your posts remember me so much about fluffymeisters against competitive gamers on wh40k. If you have a problem with some kind of gamer, it's your problem, not theirs, grow up an deal with it on a mature way, not crying on forums how meany people is on games.
You STILL aren't directly answering the question I asked... oh well.
I don't believe I have stated once that negativity is purely a competitive issue. What I did stated is that the highly competitive environments tend to create heightened negativity. Generally this happens more in a situation where a game has a casual crowd and a competitive crowd. In situations where the game is purely meant to be competitive completely, the community tends to be more enjoyable.
I don't think I've stated once that PvP breeds bad community members either, so please stop twisting my words. I've said that a highly competitive PvP ENVIRONMENT creates a negative ENVIRONMENT that tends to breed more players that react to more casual players with insults, badgering, contempt, etc. On the flip side, the majority of casual PvP players try to interact nicely...even if they disagree.
Since Blizzard has made it very clear that they want a co~op environment, its my opinion that a highly competitive PvP environment would be a negative to the community as a whole. If Diablo 3 had been designed with its primary goal to competitively PvP, then it is likely I would have never posted here in the first place.
I love all of the guys in this forum who think rankings = esports. Like if there is any ranking at all shit just becomes an esport. No work needed from the community or anything. Just slap that rank on there and bam here comes the money!
I don't think anyone has stated that. However, there are connections between ranking, eSports and competitive play. Since Blizzard has specifically stated that PvP will be aimed at casual PvP, ranking is completely inappropriate for the game.
Actually he called you PvM fanboy, because you come to PvP forum and your most used argument is "the game is focused on PvE". If you get insulted by that, I seriously don't know what are you doing online.
I'm not even gonna comment on the other parts, since I already did at least once before.
Ah, I guess I had misread that. However, the intent is the same...he was using a label like that specifically as a derogatory remark. It was used in a negative manner and as such an insult. As for my argument, its actually a very valid argument. Considering Blizzard themselves stated that the primary focus of the game is co~op play, I'd say its a strong argument at that.
Its funny how you guys keep labeling me as a PvM only player when I have clearly stated MULTIPLE times now that I actually have a great interest in the PvP system of Diablo 3. I'm really looking forward to Arena. So somehow, because I suppose the path that Blizzard has taken for the game, I don't deserve to comment about PvP issues? I'm sorry, I want the game to stay a fun and positive environment for the community...that's a bad thing?
There is nothing insulting in his post. On the other hand, when you come to a PvP forum and say that competitive PvP community is "poisonous" I am actually surprised that your statement is false.
He was actually insulting. The same way that many people here insult other posters. He is calling me a Blizzard fanboy purely because I support Blizzard's viewpoints. It is used in a derogatory fashion as an insult.
As for the PvP forum comment, I don't believe I've ever stated that PvP was poisonous...I stated that the negative environment created by the majority of competitive PvP players was poisonous. I am interested in PvP, however, I want the casual environment that Blizzard stated they were creating.
So how exactly public arena that we know about right now will adress the issues you mentioned: no balance, no rules, no goals. I don't see how it does that. It actually create only additional problems, like restricting players to kill each other in only one specific way, no place for players creativity in creating their own rules for the fights. I don't see Blizzard support for PvP in public arenas that they mentioned they want.
Hrm.. public Arena will match you against people your level, your rough skill level, and your gear level. Seems quite a bit more 'fair' when compared to the earlier games in the series. It also allows Blizzard to create different types of game~modes to appeal to different players. Due to the fact that it enforces no ranking system and no complex PvP stats, it encourages a more casual gameplay as well that I feel is a positive effect on the overall community.
Ecutruin: PvM fanboys can stay out of the PvP forums if you have nothing constructive or good to say. I just dont like you or your bad arguments. You're saying you have alot of D2 PvP experience but all you do is trashtalk about PvP and how bad this and that is and on and on. Something dsnt add up, you're either lying about your experience or you didnt enjoy it at all because you failed and turned to PvM because it's the easy way to go.
If PvP players like yourself stopped using insults with nearly every post, perhaps the rest of the community would be more receptive.
I did play Diablo 2 extensively, both PvM and PvP. I've also experienced PvP heavily in various other games. Diablo 2 probably had the worst PvP I've ever played in comparison. It wasn't balanced, there were no rules, no goal, and it generally devolved to a high level running around killing lower level players. Probably fun for that high level, not fun for the rest. Public Arena is a great option.
@Conax, Sorry.. I'm not going to read a gigantic run~on wall of text. I suggest you either reformat it or give me a 'tldr' for it.
That said, I read the first sentence or so and you're quite wrong. All they have to do in order to disable eSports in D3 is not add private Arenas. With no way to run tournaments there would be little room for any form of eSport to evolve. Not adding private Arena would not affect the majority of their player~base negatively and as such is something they COULD do without negatively impacting their community as a whole.
What, that's positive to tell competitive players are breeding chaos, mayhem or whatever to your gaming experience? Of course it's negative. The only responsibles of your gaming experience is blizzard and yourself, wanting everyone to play following your moral rules is unrealistic, because people don't have the same moral rules on the first place. On sports many players trashtralk others, many others are examples of sportmanship, so you would say sports are bad because there are players who insults or even physically confront their opponents. You are being negative because you are getting everybody on the same sack and being unable to see what good brings competition and dedicated competitive players to the game.
And you pretty much ignore my points.
It's not that I am unable to see the good that comes from competitive play. Competition does bring good things as well, however, in a video game environment where the overall goal is to play for fun...competition tends to create a negative environment. If others are supporting me its not because I'm some great speaker, its because they see the same issues I've seen and don't want to see it repeat in Diablo 3 either.
As for the issue of pushing my moral views on others. I'm sorry, calling people carebears because they would prefer a casual PvP experience, calling people retards because they prefer the Diablo 3 skill/stat system, etc.. isn't something that should really be accepted by a positive community. It's about treating other players decently regardless of their play~style. Its a negative environment.
I believe I've hit all your points this time, yet ~~ you ignored my question still. Do you want all the negativity as part of the Diablo 3 community?
Well you avoided my question too, wich is, do you think that people are going to want more PvP features when it comes out? Whether or not the players are casual players or competitive, the will want more. Second question, (more of a statement), you want to control how you play the game and so does everyone else. That's why I'm posting and why you are posting and everyone on the middle.
This is obviously my opion so you don't have to comment on it. Also when the PvP come out the main focus of people is going to be interested in PvP. People are not going to have it for at least 8 months (wich is two months after the predicted inferno completion) if not longer. Whether or not people are tired of the PvE content they will flock to the PvP when it comes out because it is fresh and new. I also assume that the majority of the players to on to the forums and decide what side the are on. So the "majority" of players will be blindly asking for PvP features and visa versa with the "minority". Nobody can predict what millions of people are going to want.
Also when people can play and COMMUNICATE with each other there will always be negative environments. The only way to avoid that would be to play by yourself or Blizzard takes out the communication between players, wich they can't. Even if your on the same side it is still player versus player unless the game has no challenge at all. In hardcore you are not going to run with someone that could get you killed. And seeing that you can't die in the arena the PvE will probably breed way more negative environments than PvP, even more so since the "majority" playes PvE.
I hadn't realized you were asking a question. To answer it, no...I don't expect the majority of players to demand more PvP features. From the sound of it, Blizzard is already catering to the majority of players with Arena. Why would they have a need to demand more features?
Sure, when people can communicate there will be bad apples. However, there is a difference between a few bad apples and a whole orchard of them. A highly competitive community creates such an environment. It encourages people to be bad apples by rewarding such behavior. Why add a system that that promotes such an environment?
Ecutriun your main focus is on the negativity which competition brings, which is kind of natural and doesn't matter because it's human behaviour, you can't fix it with in-game mechanichs, and happens on PvP and on Coops (you will see it when people is complaining about having to leave because leechers, bad teams, saying why can't they find a decent group for inferno because random sucks, people will tell to get friends or gtfo, etc etc).
I pointed you what competition brings to the table, so you can empathyse with the people who actually enjoy gaming that way. That doesn't make them morons, that doesn't make anything flourish, people is people, and people who aren't competitive can be exactly the same douche on a different way, yet they bring way less to the table to the community.
Blizzard didn't speak about bad community issues (harassment , etc), they had spoken about players who may ask them for stuff they are not pretending to fulfill, like pvp balance, not because they think pvp community is bad, but because the feedback from pvp'ers normally tend to try to force them to balance the game only for PvP and they want to keep it coop. They avoid it excluding ladders from the game, because that way people can't track on what setups, builds or classes are on top, so the feedback about pvp balance can be more easilly dismissed.
Your points about competitive gamers breeding bad people, are obnoxious, ignorant, disgusting and insulting.
You ignored the question...again.
Anyways, yes, I've been focusing on the negativity that a highly competitive environment breeds. I stand by my points on a highly competitive environment breeding a negative environment and instilling said negativity onto others. They aren't ignorant, or obnoxious and you cannot tell me that my points don't have validity. I won't say that everyone that is competitive is negative. However, overall, my experience with the heavy competitive environments has shown me that such environments tend to encourage people to be negative and harsh. My experience isn't minor either, I've played many many PvP focused games over time.
Sure, the negative people will exist in co~op as well, however, co~op is not an environment that ENCOURAGES negative behavior. Competitive PvP is an environment that tends to encourage people to behave in a negative manner and as such would (in my opinion) be a negative influence on the community.
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Hrm...If you cannot enjoy the game without a strong competitive environment, then maybe the game isn't for you...that's not an attack, that's just explaining that Diablo 3 isn't catered towards a highly competitive environment. It's not meant to either, kind of end of story.
I do want to find a middle ground. If I didn't, I wouldn't be attempting to discuss the issues. I am looking forward to Arena and what it'll offer for the community. From playing the Beta, the game will be awesome.
I've given reason and logic. You avoided my question and instead of answering it, you tried to say the negative environment doesn't exist. Where~as my question was posed with reference to it existing. I've also explained where I've gotten my opinions from, and such opinions are based on my experience here on the forums, in other games, from other posters, etc. It is not a baseless opinion and either you have not experienced the same situations, or choose to ignore it.
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They have not answered the question, therefore I'm going to not accept an answer that isn't an answer to the question I asked. It's pretty simple. It's like asking the question "Out of two colors, red and blue...which do you like better?" and someone answering "elephant". They aren't giving an answer that represents the question. They are trying to justify the actions of a group of people that act in a negative manner.
I'm not trolling either. This thread is about Diablo 3 being an eSport, and I don't feel it should be...for the reasons I've cited. If that means we don't get private Arena's either as a result...I'm alright with that. They are not a NEEDED feature for the game to be amazing, and the public Arena system sounds like it will offer a fun casual environment for people to PvP.
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Here's an interesting question, did you play Diablo 2 highly competitively? Do you play many other games with highly competitive communities? I'm curious what your actual experience with such communities actually is...because mine, has not been very positive. In any game with a highly competitive community it always ends up being as we've seen here.. the clash of casual vs competitive.
So yes, I'll not accept answers that revolve around people trying to excuse the behavior of people who use insults or badgering to defend their position. You cannot argue that the negativity doesn't exist because its very apparent. Sure, there are good sides to the competitive community, I won't argue that. However, if you look at the majority of highly competitive players posting here on the PvP forums...you cannot argue that they represent the negative aspect that I talked about.
I'd also like to know how I 'attacked' everyone here? By...pointing out that their suggestions go against the design that Blizzard has set forth for their game? To try and explain reasons as to why Blizzard made their decision? Maybe my attempts to figure out solutions that could bring the PvP and PvM communities in agreement for certain feature requests? Oh yeah... I'm totally being negative.
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Unless you've heard something I haven't, there is nothing to support that you will. What they said is that they may end up with custom PvP matches if they pass their review process for the PvP patch. However, they also went on to say that the effect such feature have on the community may be a good reason NOT to add such features. So, there is an equal change we will or will not get features required for such competitive environment.
Personally, I hope we don't. Primarily due to the reactions I've seen from the competitive players here. I'd rather not encourage such behavior at all.
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No, I don't accept an answer that is not an answer to the question. I'm not the only one that views the clash that happens when casual and competitive communities collide as negative. Its evident immediately due to the way many competitive players act here on the forums when a more casual player has an opinion about the game. If said opinion is not competitively focused, it's generally attacked. You think such an environment is positive?
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No, people are doing as you did and giving reasons for the negativity, giving it excuses, etc. The exact question was simple, and it wasn't directly answered once.
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If you honestly want to reply to me, please actually break up your walls of text.
Gryzorz put it very well with his football analogy (+1). Just because it is PvP doesn't mean it needs to be a highly competitive environment. Instead, a PvP game can be designed in such a way that it rewards everyone that plays and everyone has fun. It doesn't need bragging rights, ranking, or any of that. I hope Blizzard achieves such a goal.
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You STILL aren't directly answering the question I asked... oh well.
I don't believe I have stated once that negativity is purely a competitive issue. What I did stated is that the highly competitive environments tend to create heightened negativity. Generally this happens more in a situation where a game has a casual crowd and a competitive crowd. In situations where the game is purely meant to be competitive completely, the community tends to be more enjoyable.
I don't think I've stated once that PvP breeds bad community members either, so please stop twisting my words. I've said that a highly competitive PvP ENVIRONMENT creates a negative ENVIRONMENT that tends to breed more players that react to more casual players with insults, badgering, contempt, etc. On the flip side, the majority of casual PvP players try to interact nicely...even if they disagree.
Since Blizzard has made it very clear that they want a co~op environment, its my opinion that a highly competitive PvP environment would be a negative to the community as a whole. If Diablo 3 had been designed with its primary goal to competitively PvP, then it is likely I would have never posted here in the first place.
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I don't think anyone has stated that. However, there are connections between ranking, eSports and competitive play. Since Blizzard has specifically stated that PvP will be aimed at casual PvP, ranking is completely inappropriate for the game.
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Ah, I guess I had misread that. However, the intent is the same...he was using a label like that specifically as a derogatory remark. It was used in a negative manner and as such an insult. As for my argument, its actually a very valid argument. Considering Blizzard themselves stated that the primary focus of the game is co~op play, I'd say its a strong argument at that.
Its funny how you guys keep labeling me as a PvM only player when I have clearly stated MULTIPLE times now that I actually have a great interest in the PvP system of Diablo 3. I'm really looking forward to Arena. So somehow, because I suppose the path that Blizzard has taken for the game, I don't deserve to comment about PvP issues? I'm sorry, I want the game to stay a fun and positive environment for the community...that's a bad thing?
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He was actually insulting. The same way that many people here insult other posters. He is calling me a Blizzard fanboy purely because I support Blizzard's viewpoints. It is used in a derogatory fashion as an insult.
As for the PvP forum comment, I don't believe I've ever stated that PvP was poisonous...I stated that the negative environment created by the majority of competitive PvP players was poisonous. I am interested in PvP, however, I want the casual environment that Blizzard stated they were creating.
Hrm.. public Arena will match you against people your level, your rough skill level, and your gear level. Seems quite a bit more 'fair' when compared to the earlier games in the series. It also allows Blizzard to create different types of game~modes to appeal to different players. Due to the fact that it enforces no ranking system and no complex PvP stats, it encourages a more casual gameplay as well that I feel is a positive effect on the overall community.
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If PvP players like yourself stopped using insults with nearly every post, perhaps the rest of the community would be more receptive.
I did play Diablo 2 extensively, both PvM and PvP. I've also experienced PvP heavily in various other games. Diablo 2 probably had the worst PvP I've ever played in comparison. It wasn't balanced, there were no rules, no goal, and it generally devolved to a high level running around killing lower level players. Probably fun for that high level, not fun for the rest. Public Arena is a great option.
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That said, I read the first sentence or so and you're quite wrong. All they have to do in order to disable eSports in D3 is not add private Arenas. With no way to run tournaments there would be little room for any form of eSport to evolve. Not adding private Arena would not affect the majority of their player~base negatively and as such is something they COULD do without negatively impacting their community as a whole.
It's not that I am unable to see the good that comes from competitive play. Competition does bring good things as well, however, in a video game environment where the overall goal is to play for fun...competition tends to create a negative environment. If others are supporting me its not because I'm some great speaker, its because they see the same issues I've seen and don't want to see it repeat in Diablo 3 either.
As for the issue of pushing my moral views on others. I'm sorry, calling people carebears because they would prefer a casual PvP experience, calling people retards because they prefer the Diablo 3 skill/stat system, etc.. isn't something that should really be accepted by a positive community. It's about treating other players decently regardless of their play~style. Its a negative environment.
I believe I've hit all your points this time, yet ~~ you ignored my question still. Do you want all the negativity as part of the Diablo 3 community?
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I hadn't realized you were asking a question. To answer it, no...I don't expect the majority of players to demand more PvP features. From the sound of it, Blizzard is already catering to the majority of players with Arena. Why would they have a need to demand more features?
Sure, when people can communicate there will be bad apples. However, there is a difference between a few bad apples and a whole orchard of them. A highly competitive community creates such an environment. It encourages people to be bad apples by rewarding such behavior. Why add a system that that promotes such an environment?
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You ignored the question...again.
Anyways, yes, I've been focusing on the negativity that a highly competitive environment breeds. I stand by my points on a highly competitive environment breeding a negative environment and instilling said negativity onto others. They aren't ignorant, or obnoxious and you cannot tell me that my points don't have validity. I won't say that everyone that is competitive is negative. However, overall, my experience with the heavy competitive environments has shown me that such environments tend to encourage people to be negative and harsh. My experience isn't minor either, I've played many many PvP focused games over time.
Sure, the negative people will exist in co~op as well, however, co~op is not an environment that ENCOURAGES negative behavior. Competitive PvP is an environment that tends to encourage people to behave in a negative manner and as such would (in my opinion) be a negative influence on the community.