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Anyone that had been complaining for the removal of the AH should have seen this coming. What would be the point of removing the MEANS to trading without also removing the PURPOSE for trading. Now you truly won't and CAN'T trade, you should be happy.... and its a good lesson to the overly-vocal community that post their same dam complaints month-in and month-out:
Be careful what you wish for!

release date announcement at Blizzcon 2013?

Just wait for Guild Wars 2 all

Game Hunters: Do we have a release date for the game yet?

Morhaime: As soon as possible. We have pushed it into 2012. Really at this stage, it's about completing the polish on the game and preparing it for launch. As with any Blizzard game, we really try not to rush these things out. We try to give them time to bake. We are in beta right now, so we have a lot of people out there helping us test the game. We have been getting great feedback. People are really excited about it. (Source)

HAH!!! More like Bake and Burn

Quote from FallenBurgasFan

who cares its still released 2012..

Who said it was being released in 2012? Oh right, the same people that said it would be released in late 2011...Blizzard. HaHA expect the game in 2013 at best! they haven't even begun to reiterate the in-game dyes yet, it could take a while.

List of stuff they need to reiterate:
The height of the characters
The D3 boxart
the font of all typed writing
the voice of Cain
The voice of Diablo
All of hardcore mode
The number of trees in each act (cant have too much clutter!)
The RMAH (maybe Amazon interested now)
The amount of gold dropped when you kill Azmodan
The voice of Jay Wilson (sorry spoiler, hes the final boss)
....and the list goes on and on.....

Dont see Diablo.. interesting. At this point I think the NBA, I mean Blizzard would be better of making a deal and releasing the game.

you all do know 2012 is a Leap Year. Right? Which means we skip 2012 and go to 2013 your bets are all automatically wrong.

apparently someone figured out the answer- there is no cow level, and surprise surprise it does nothing.
Blizzard= trolls
Bashiok= master troll
jay wilson = king tut troll

Quote from Polrayne

@popo_joe and any others that argue an AH will destroy trading....

I've read many of these arguments and I have to feel that the common underlining motivation is that you want to do P2P trading so you can haggle. Haggle is another word for ripping someone off. Either you do it by offering a boat load of crap to someone for their one great item, usually stating "come on godly player, I need help, please trade..." Or you offer a crap unique item to someone for a better item using the tired, totally inaccurate method of "this is the going rate for your cool item - my crap item." Except you don't tell them your item is crap.

Lets forget trying to reason with those who actually enjoyed going into trading games for hours with their wares trying to rip people off - I respect you find that entertaining (I have no idea why) and I'm not going to try and change that. But lets be realistic. If your main motivation to P2P trading ISN'T ripping people off (haggling) than all that is left is perusing peoples items for something cool - right? Can't you do that in an AH? Yes you can. So why be so upset about an AH? Because you can't haggle. Because you can't be social and motivate someone into taking your item for substandard offers.

You can still (most likely) make a trading game or do P2P trading in some fashion. So why feel threatened at all?

I know why. I think what's really got you all upset is that with an established economy of gold AND a system like the AH to set realistic standards for pricing - your P2P haggling (ripping people off) will be debunked because no one is going to take your crappy items for over priced amounts of gold or items anymore. They can leave your trade, go to the AH - verify the general prices - return to your game and offer you a FAIR trade.

Some have said "listing auctions, perusing the auctions, bidding on auctions is so boring". I can't believe this to be a game breaker for you, since going into trade game after trade game is the SAME THING. The only difference in an AH is that you can't motivate someone to take your item for a substandard trade. Aka - you can't rip people off in an AH. Isn't that really why you are upset?

Come on - tell the truth now.

Polrayne, Well put Good Sir!

Quote from popo_joe

oh...I guess buying is the same thing as trading then... sorry , my mistake.
next time when i'm at the supermarket i'll offer the cashier my pair of socks + my shoes for the groceries.

anyways... the only thing I don't understand is why people want a gold based economy so bad, I know an auction house could help, but was item vs item trading so bad in D2, did it make you stop playing?

it was unique to diablo and original, you won't see any online game that has that, why does people want to put an end to what made diablo so unique?

popo_joe, you are full of crap. Stop trying to sidestep the issue, your not fooling anyone. Your problem has nothing to do with a gold economy. As stated above, you just want to rip people off so you can build your character up. Not surprisingly, Im sure there are lots of people with your mentality.

1. haggling does not equal socializing, just stop saying that. Socializing is "hi, what did you do today?" haggling is "WUG." There is no interest in the other person, only interest in the items you can gain. So stop saying: "I enjoy haggling, I even help people out" cause thats a load of shit. If you haggle, you are only interested in what you can get out of other people, especially noobs. This really irks me because I was "helped out" by lots of people from D2 just to find out later I actually helped them out a lot. Seeing the prices in an AH would help this problem

2. For the last time, Yes. when you buy something with currency, that is STILL trading. Go look it up. The only reason a grocery store won't accept your socks and shoes is because Currency is standard and dependable. A one dollar bill always equals $1. you can't argue what a dollar is worth, its static and it removes arguments and makes transactions go much faster. This is why we want a GOLD based economy.

3. About the whole 'unique' thing (I can tell its a smokescreen but Ill still address it), No, haggling was not unique to Diablo; you could and still can haggle in a lot of online games. And just because something is unique doesn't mean that it should remain the status quo.
The old diablo skill system was unique, not-Talking properly is unique to Sylvester Stallone (sorry just watched one of his movies, I don't know how the hell he made it so far without knowing english), and Sucking every year is unique to the Mets.

Never been interested in ladders or cared about leaderboards. But now with these season legendary items, am kinda forced to play it I guess, if they are any good. If there should be any competition in this game, it should be in some form of PvP. Forcing you to play single player in some other way than your way isn't evolving the game.

The spreadsheet below gives the proc rates for the different abilities.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AnACdJ2VndUOdFlfbm45V1N2Z3NGVVE4RTRKdmU5aGc&output=html

I really think people should post their class and what % of elites they killed in each act before spouting off their opinions. I'm pretty sure a majority of the people saying inferno is fine are a certain class and expect to get 1 shot.

WD - Cleared Diablo on Inferno.
Act 1 elites = 100%
Act 2 elites = 10% (haven't gone back since slightly better gear/build, I can probably kill more now... not worth it though)
Act 3 elites = 20% (haven't gone back here either because I enjoy Act 4 much more)
Act 4 elites = 80%

Inferno needs damage reductions. I would love being able to use my pets again and possibly use a build that doesn't rely on spamming darts off the screen and kiting every single white enemy. The WD is a melee range caster class... let us use 75% of our skills and not force us into a Wizard/DH role.

The game is FUN when you can play it how you want it. You have no choice in Inferno. Lack of choice = lack of fun for me.

The issue is, inferno is 100% doable by every class but u basically need these stats, use these skills and play this style. If I have to be pure tank to solo inferno as a barb, then inferno is broken. I dnt care if nerfing it so much that melees can go dps and do it means tanks do it easy, this isn't an esport it's a game for fun and I should be able to charge in with a giant flaming axe and clobber things without getting 1 shot cus i dnt have a shield...

I've finished inferno on a barb, DH and wizard.. With barb it wasn't hard but god was it boring. Before I hit inferno I was having more fun with barb than any of the other classes smashing through stuff, then i got to inferno and I had to drop from like 19k dps to bout 7k as I went almost pure tank/LpH just so I could kill stuff and it went from insane fun to total boredom and it wasn't even hard just long and dull. This patch will mean I can play my barb how there meant to be played and I welcome it :D.

I dont know about you, but I dont plan on talking to anyone for a good 2 weeks during release while I level. I bought Diablo 3 to kill demons, not have FaceBook 2.0

From what I understand from the situation, the committe never revealed which day exactly they were gonna handle the rating. But, with meetings being held on wednesdays and fridays, people automatically assumed that it would be on wednesday.

Anyway, heres what little I know about the situation.
Before the current GRB came to place, the VRB[video rating board] has been in charge of the rating of games, movies, music etc. The reason the VRB was scrapped was because it was respondible for passing the game 'Seastory' http://cfs15.tistory...7/498acd1ccc62d
yeah, I know, most of the Korean populace was thinking the same thing. 'WTF?'

When the game became controversial due to illegal modifications investigations were put into place and.. as it turns out, there were bribes and manipulations of rules behind the passing of this 'legal slot machine' [which was responsible for wrecking several families] and thus the GRB was born and we can see here why it would be sensitive about issues that concern real money.

But this organization has also brought up some controversies of it's own.
First, the rating progress is overly complicated and the fees attached are unreasonably high, there is no clear guidlines in how a game is rated so there's no way for game companies to know if they have been rated fairly. And there's also the problem that this board is not really up to date on the fast paced change of the gaming industry.
Second, the board had promised to rate game only up to last year and transfer the rights to rate games to the public but they backed out of that promise and applied for a new budget last year and the national assembly approved it.

Furthermore, Blizzard could not have chosen a worse timing to bring up the RMAH in Korea [not that there's anything they could have done about the situation]

Last november, a new law was proposed that would illegalize any real money trade in games that underages are able to play. And yes, the [legal] real money trading sites are doing all they can to fight against this but things don't look bright for them. There was also an incident of a middle school student suicide to which games were somewhat related to during July.
So we pretty much have a really screwed up situation here, and the GRB isn't doing any help to make things less complicated.

You see Blizzard, being aware of the new law against underage real money trade, had applied for a mature rating for Diablo 3. And yet the GRB held the 'anti-gambling'stance claiming that those of underage 'might' still play the game.
Yeah, what kind of phail-logic is that? Why the f- do they rate games anyway if they're going to consider the possibility of someone underage playing despite the mature rating?

But nonetheless Diablo 3 has been dragged into the 'real money in games' issue and the GRB is in a tricky situation to try to prove the need of their existance through this issue.'
Some think that this is all because of bribes to protect the domestic game industry, some people think it's because of the lack of bribes on Blizzard's part.
But if the reason is the latter, I [a Korean if you haven't figured that out yet] personally hope that Blizzard will give the GRB a good ol middle finger and pass Korea. The worthless low-end bureaucracy here is really f'd up and it would be bad if they're spoiled more than they already are [sheesh, at least the high-end works their ass's off]
As for me.. don't know. IF that is to happen I guess I'll just have to get a US copy and proxy or something

Other information
-Beta contains all five classes
-Beta ends with Leoric
-Beta will have hardcore mode
-Beta will have shared stash
-Beta will start in NA, then Europe

source: http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=27822642300&sid=3000