I'll respond to 2 and 5 because those are the simplest questions with the simplest answers and I'm tired of devoting time to this. I have not read as extensivly into other religions as you. The Qur'an says "Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in God." I realize that there is a lot of war in the bible, and I also realize that Muslims do not go around killing people willy-nilly as they see fit. I believe there are several instances where it states (sorry to sound so sterotypic) "death to all infidels." I have also read the book of Mormon and found it to be rather racist. Essentially, God lives on Kobol (planet) and all day long he has sex with his thousands of wives. These wives have little spirit babies and if they're good babies, they come to earth as white people. If they are bad spirit babies, they come to earth in darker shades.
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I'm sorry to sound rude about this, but I believe that is the gist I got out of it. I know mormons who are wonderful people, and I also feel that they do more than a couple of things better than the Christian church. This is just something I have a problem with.
As for the 5th point. I have given you one solid piece of empirical evidence in the case of polonium microspheres which is in disagreement with an evolutionary theory. I will give you one more piece of evidence for you to write off as "creationist propoganda" (now you can quote me for using that phrase.
The moon is slowly moving away from Earth. This has been observed. It moves just a couple of inches every year. The moon has gravity which controls the tides. I think we all know this. The problem is that if the moon is moving away, it must have been, in the past, closer. Now, the inverse square law states that if you half the distance of 2 bodies, the attrictive forces quadruple. This is a problem is the earth is millions of years old. Since the moon is closer, there is more gravitational pull from the moon and tides are suddenly deeper/shallower depending on what side of the earth you are on. If the moon is closer, this also means that it would have a smaller diameter orbit, meaning that it would take less time to circumnavigate the earth. All of these things are facts. Not propaganda.
The point: if the world were billions of years old, and life was many millions of years old, everything living creature would drown. Twice a day.
I'm done. Getting off. Respond how you will, I'm not reading this thread anymore.
Actually, I rely on the bible for everything I do in my life. I'm not referring to old Jewish law that talks about how many times you have to wash if you are in somebodies house who soils themselves. I'm referring to the part of the bible that guides my beliefs and convictions.
I choose to believe in the Bible because
1) It is what I was raised to do.
2) I have read the doctrinal texts of other religions and found that my morals don't agree with what they state.
3) I do not like thinking of myself as just an animal who happens to be slightly more complex than chimps (this is untrue, genetically. In fact, the pinnacle of genetic evolution is the white fern with, I believe, 126 chromosomes).
4) My life works toward an end goal. For somebody who simply chooses to believe in evolution, your only purpose in life is to have sex. If you have ever had sex and worn a condom, you have just completed your single purpose for living.
5) I have found too much evidence contradictory to a world 4.5 billion years old and a universe 20 billion years old.
I could probably come up with more if I took the time, but I've been looking for packet loss for 11 hours and I'm ready to go home. Working on Saturday sucks...
Sorry, I'm not following. What question are you presenting to me to answer? Are you referring to 'prove to me your god exists,' or did you state a question that I missed?
Did you mean to quote me for something I didn't say? I'm assuming that that was intended to be a response to something I said. Please clarify if I'm missing something there. Thanks.
This is an excellent point. The big bang theory is absolutely unprovable. In fact, all scientific theories are unprovable, but the big bang does suffer from this a bit more than most.
"Etched within Earth's foundation rocks — the granites — are beautiful microspheres of coloration, halos, produced by the radioactive decay of primordial polonium, which is known to have only a fleeting existence.
The following simple analogy will show how these polonium microspheres — or halos — contradict the evolutionary belief that granites formed as hot magma slowly cooled over millions of years. To the contrary, this analogy demonstrates how these halos provide unambiguous evidence of both an almost instantaneous creation of granites and the young age of the earth.
A speck of polonium in molten rock can be compared to an Alka-Seltzer dropped into a glass of water. The beginning of effervescence is equated to the moment that polonium atoms began to emit radiactive particles. In molten rock the traces of those radioactive particles would disappear as quickly as the Alka-Seltzer bubbles in water. But if the water were instantly frozen, the bubbles would be preserved. Likewise, polonium halos could have formed only if the rapidly "effervescing" specks of polonium had been instantly encased in solid rock.
An exceedingly large number of polonium halos are embedded in granites around the world. Just as frozen Alka-Seltzer bubbles would be clear evidence of the quick-freezing of the water, so are these many polonium halos undeniable evidence that a sea of primordial matter quickly "froze" into solid granite. The occurrence of these polonium halos, then, distinctly implies that our earth was formed in a very short time, in complete harmony with the biblical record of creation."
This is from an interesting website halos.com
Scientifically, we can never prove anything. All scientists can do is fail to disprove their theories. Here is a simple disproof that has been around for a number of years and ignored for that same number of years due to the fact that this would be impossible in a big bang type creation.
I'll just key in on one point:
"You're woefully ignorant of science and evolution if you're not simple being dishonest. You have absolutely no evidence for your God."
I did not attempt to present any evidence for God in that post. The point being made is that leaps of faith must be made to say that life had its origin the big bang theory. In my opinion, there are to many "plot holes" that need to be filled in order for evolution as the starting point of everything to be fact.
I believe I was created. You believe we evolved from a rock.
The overarching point I'm making is that there are dozens (hundreds?) of species that have a divided hoof, scattered through 6 continents. There are dozens (hundreds?) of animals that chew the cud, again scattered through 6 continents. Of these hundreds of species, there are only 3 animals (camel, hyrax, rabbit) that chew cud but don't have a split hoof. There is only 1 family of animals in the world that has a split hoof, but doesn't chew cud.
I think the fact that somebody from over 3 thousand years ago knew that is pretty incredible. And it seems logical to me that you could not travel enough on your donkey at that point in history to compile that list.
i can see like 70 animals in wiki, and 7 in your list
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Sorry, I guess I could post the entire chapter where all 70 animals are listed, but I didn't think people would want to read all that. It's Leviticus 11 if you want to read it.
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I'm in Texas. The part of the world that is more obsessed with itself than any other
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I'm sorry to sound rude about this, but I believe that is the gist I got out of it. I know mormons who are wonderful people, and I also feel that they do more than a couple of things better than the Christian church. This is just something I have a problem with.
As for the 5th point. I have given you one solid piece of empirical evidence in the case of polonium microspheres which is in disagreement with an evolutionary theory. I will give you one more piece of evidence for you to write off as "creationist propoganda" (now you can quote me for using that phrase.
The moon is slowly moving away from Earth. This has been observed. It moves just a couple of inches every year. The moon has gravity which controls the tides. I think we all know this. The problem is that if the moon is moving away, it must have been, in the past, closer. Now, the inverse square law states that if you half the distance of 2 bodies, the attrictive forces quadruple. This is a problem is the earth is millions of years old. Since the moon is closer, there is more gravitational pull from the moon and tides are suddenly deeper/shallower depending on what side of the earth you are on. If the moon is closer, this also means that it would have a smaller diameter orbit, meaning that it would take less time to circumnavigate the earth. All of these things are facts. Not propaganda.
The point: if the world were billions of years old, and life was many millions of years old, everything living creature would drown. Twice a day.
I'm done. Getting off. Respond how you will, I'm not reading this thread anymore.
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I choose to believe in the Bible because
1) It is what I was raised to do.
2) I have read the doctrinal texts of other religions and found that my morals don't agree with what they state.
3) I do not like thinking of myself as just an animal who happens to be slightly more complex than chimps (this is untrue, genetically. In fact, the pinnacle of genetic evolution is the white fern with, I believe, 126 chromosomes).
4) My life works toward an end goal. For somebody who simply chooses to believe in evolution, your only purpose in life is to have sex. If you have ever had sex and worn a condom, you have just completed your single purpose for living.
5) I have found too much evidence contradictory to a world 4.5 billion years old and a universe 20 billion years old.
I could probably come up with more if I took the time, but I've been looking for packet loss for 11 hours and I'm ready to go home. Working on Saturday sucks...
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drill down a little bit until you get to this statement, "However, few would argue with his point that science cannot prove anything."
http://physics.about.com/b/2011/03/26/scienceproof.htm
Point 1: Unprovable
This is an excellent point. The big bang theory is absolutely unprovable. In fact, all scientific theories are unprovable, but the big bang does suffer from this a bit more than most.
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The following simple analogy will show how these polonium microspheres — or halos — contradict the evolutionary belief that granites formed as hot magma slowly cooled over millions of years. To the contrary, this analogy demonstrates how these halos provide unambiguous evidence of both an almost instantaneous creation of granites and the young age of the earth.
A speck of polonium in molten rock can be compared to an Alka-Seltzer dropped into a glass of water. The beginning of effervescence is equated to the moment that polonium atoms began to emit radiactive particles. In molten rock the traces of those radioactive particles would disappear as quickly as the Alka-Seltzer bubbles in water. But if the water were instantly frozen, the bubbles would be preserved. Likewise, polonium halos could have formed only if the rapidly "effervescing" specks of polonium had been instantly encased in solid rock.
An exceedingly large number of polonium halos are embedded in granites around the world. Just as frozen Alka-Seltzer bubbles would be clear evidence of the quick-freezing of the water, so are these many polonium halos undeniable evidence that a sea of primordial matter quickly "froze" into solid granite. The occurrence of these polonium halos, then, distinctly implies that our earth was formed in a very short time, in complete harmony with the biblical record of creation."
This is from an interesting website halos.com
Scientifically, we can never prove anything. All scientists can do is fail to disprove their theories. Here is a simple disproof that has been around for a number of years and ignored for that same number of years due to the fact that this would be impossible in a big bang type creation.
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"You're woefully ignorant of science and evolution if you're not simple being dishonest. You have absolutely no evidence for your God."
I did not attempt to present any evidence for God in that post. The point being made is that leaps of faith must be made to say that life had its origin the big bang theory. In my opinion, there are to many "plot holes" that need to be filled in order for evolution as the starting point of everything to be fact.
I believe I was created. You believe we evolved from a rock.
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I think the fact that somebody from over 3 thousand years ago knew that is pretty incredible. And it seems logical to me that you could not travel enough on your donkey at that point in history to compile that list.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unclean_animals
i can see like 70 animals in wiki, and 7 in your list
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Sorry, I guess I could post the entire chapter where all 70 animals are listed, but I didn't think people would want to read all that. It's Leviticus 11 if you want to read it.
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