• posted a message on The meaning of TurboHUD and why it is much more than just a hack

    Anybody else wants to arrogantly repeat the "It's against the TOS/EULA" argument again? I don't think we've had enough of that around here.


    Go dig up threads about THUD usage from a year and even two years ago and find the same arguments all over. People understand that it's against the terms of use but that's not the point.


    Did you know that according to the terms of use, Blizzard are legally the owner of your account and everything you have on b.net? Technically, they can confiscate your account without providing you a single word of explanation even if you bought shit with real money. Are you ok with that? Probably not but you have nothing to do about it.


    Blizzard's TOS says that you can't use 3rd party programs. Ok then, why not ban people who do break that term? Wouldn't the act of not banning those people for so long, legitimize them if not in the eyes of the general public (d3 community in general...) but at least in the eyes of those people themselves and probably many other community members as evident by the widespread usage of THUD?


    do me a favor and go take a look at the b.net EULA http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/eula.html - Especially the Blizzard's ownership, Pre-Loaded Software, Consent To Monitor and Indemnity sections- All of these basically say that Blizzrd have cut your ballsack off and are keeping it in a jar and if anything happens, you are at fault.


    And now to the most ridiculous part, the "so ironic it's sad" part of the deal imo - The Equitable remedies section. I will quote it here:

    You agree that Blizzard would be irreparably damaged if the terms of this Agreement were not specifically followed and enforced. In such an event, you agree that Blizzard shall be entitled, without bond, other security, or proof of damages, to appropriate equitable remedies when you breach this Agreement; and that the awarding of equitable remedies to Blizzard will not limit its ability to receive remedies that are otherwise available to Blizzard under applicable laws.

    This is one of the most stupid things i've ever seen and it shows you that even Blizzard do not take their TOS/EULA as seriously as many of you think people should. People are breaking the TOS by using 3rd party software right? Blizzard is being irreparably damaged by this according to them? Not only are they damaged because the TOS is broken by thew user but also because it is not enforced by the company itself, again, according to them... THIS IS FUCKING BULLSHIT!




    TLDR: TOS/EULA is just a bunch of legal bullshit that shouldn't be regarded as the word of god or anything stupid like that. Mentioning it in every second post as if it's the ultimate truth is a ridiculous, arrogant act that not only does not bring anything new to the discussion, but actually makes it tedious and repetitive. At least the people that "support" the use of THUD try explain their standpoint and often do so with subjective eloquence and not only repeat a single blank statement like parrots.

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  • posted a message on The meaning of TurboHUD and why it is much more than just a hack
    Quote from TianZigo-next

    The main problem with turbohud is that blizzard isn't banning players for using it.


    Cheats should always come with a major risk, and in this case there simply isn't one. As a side effect, it makes competing extremely difficult for players that choose not to use it. THUD users should have been banned like botters since the start, but they left it around untouched so long that even a lot of casual players use it now.


    No idea what Blizz is thinking.


    This is exactly the point. The only reason imo Thud use is so widespread is because Blizzard never banned people for using it... Even when that rank 1 dh made that thread like a year or two ago, it's ridiculous.



    And in general, yes i think that the argument of "D3 UI is so bad THUD becomes necessary" has some merit to it. I played years without THUD then years with THUD then again without and then again with... It boosts your efficiency by a trillion percent... Imagine, as a support barb, you can see mobs on the map before you even go to pull them and that helps you decide whether you want to go in certain directions and pull mobs or not - and this is just one example.


    If it wasn't for the maphack aspect of it, people would still use it as it offers other incredible yet simple things like different counters, indications of item / gem levels, cooldown timers, many, many things that are gradually being added into the game. It's just that features that were added in the last patch, have been available on THUD for more than a year by now.
    What really caused THUD's popularity to spike were the leaderboards because of their competitive aspect.



    If Blizzard would have simply sent out a warning when they introduced the leaderboards and clarified that THUD is not tolerated then everything would have been fine by me and many others i think. But Blizzard not doing anything for years, ignoring threads on their forums, Blizz workers themselves most likely using THUD, all this type of shit just made people 100% sure that it's absolutely tolerated.



    Coming around years later and banning people because they use THUD is ridiculous and utterly stupid in my opinion. I don't know if people were actually banned just for THUD but i think you get my point.

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  • posted a message on Ban wave in EU and US
    Quote from Dark_Solgo-next

    I am pretty sure you guys are hypocrites. Just tell us the truth. Blizzard won't ban for nothing.


    Do you think that Blizzard has a 100% clean and accurate record on banning only people who are at fault? Do you have any idea how many people got banned for nothing over the years and not only in D3?
    "Blizzard won't ban for nothing" yeah because they have been banning left and right for the past few years and have always been right. Oh wait, they hardly banned anyone for a freaking decade and now they roll out a wave after another without saying any fucking thing and people are getting banned for things like AHK and hardware macro that were 100% tolerated since d3 release?
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  • posted a message on Ban wave in EU and US
    Quote from Bot4Lyfego-next

    Quote from Jamoosego-next

    Quote from Bot4Lyfego-next

    I'll bot until the shit game design is fixed- it's nice being able to actually do things IRL and still get progression to keep up with the no-lifers.


    And to all the people gloating about bans... PFFFT- you have no idea how many botters are still going 24/7. Warden can't detect shit when things are set up properly.


    Right on the front of ROSBOT front page:


    "In the last 24h, 1088110 legendary items and 289693 set items have been dropped by your bots"


    The bot actually makes the game enjoyable again, it's like another game within the game. And if I do get caught...
    well $40 is peanuts, with every reward there is risk involved.


    P.S.- botting in Hearthstone too- see a pattern here regarding Blizz games, lulz.



    It's nice to find excuses for yourself but in reality, you just don't enjoy the game anymore as you used to. Stop trying to justify your bullshit and just own it. When i bot i know that i'm doing something against the rules and there is no justification for it other than me being a lazy fuck.

    ...really- I'm being a lazy fuck for working hard to advance my career, and letting the bot farm HC 60+ while I'm making money IRL. If that makes me "lazy", then yes call me lazy fuck all you want.

    In the last 24h, 1029122 legendary items and 270137 set items have been dropped by your bots


    Not the huge drop I think people were hoping for!

    Grow a sack and take responsibility for your stupid decisions and actions. There is absolutely nothing that could justify you botting in a game where it is clearly 100% against the rules. Again, you are just finding excuses so you can feel better with yourself. I have nothing against botters because i myself have botted in the past (not necessarily in diablo but also) and i know that it's "fun" and whatever but just get over yourself, you are not more responsible because you bot, you're not really advancing your career because you bot, you are just making up more and more excuses for your fat ass.

    TLDR bot all you want but coming here to defend it as if it's a good thing just makes you look like a fool. It's bullshit dude.
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  • posted a message on Ban wave in EU and US
    Quote from Bot4Lyfego-next

    I'll bot until the shit game design is fixed- it's nice being able to actually do things IRL and still get progression to keep up with the no-lifers.


    And to all the people gloating about bans... PFFFT- you have no idea how many botters are still going 24/7. Warden can't detect shit when things are set up properly.


    Right on the front of ROSBOT front page:


    "In the last 24h, 1088110 legendary items and 289693 set items have been dropped by your bots"


    The bot actually makes the game enjoyable again, it's like another game within the game. And if I do get caught...
    well $40 is peanuts, with every reward there is risk involved.


    P.S.- botting in Hearthstone too- see a pattern here regarding Blizz games, lulz.

    It's nice to find excuses for yourself but in reality, you just don't enjoy the game anymore as you used to. Stop trying to justify your bullshit and just own it. When i bot i know that i'm doing something against the rules and there is no justification for it other than me being a lazy fuck.
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  • posted a message on How we could put a Stop to Botters from Gaining the Advantage on Legit players

    The idea of limiting paragon to 2k is bad as it won't solve anything in my opinion. People would just farm to 2k and then stop farming xp and do other things which would effectively make the player-base smaller in a shorter period of time after season launch.


    Captcha is also a bad idea because it's not "game-like". You are playing D3 to kill demons not to fill up some forms and answer stupid questions.


    Regarding whether captcha can be solved by bots or not, it can be but it's not that much of a simple task. Also, there are certain types of captchas that cannot be solved by bots (yet) and those are usually a bit more complex than just typing in the wrong letter+number combination but again, it makes the game "un-gamy" so It sucks.

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  • posted a message on D3 need changes. Do Blizzard even listen or care?

    I gotta say this thread has one of the worst titles iv'e seen in a while.


    It's not about listening or caring it's about meeting deadlines, budget and priorities. Only the fact that most of the player-base doesn't even engage in high end game competitive action has to say a lot about the developers' priorities. People need to stop with the "blizz dont listen" bullcrap because it's over-dramatic shit that indicates a lack of understanding of reality.

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  • posted a message on Stop the bling, fix the game.

    What's with the surge of dramatic threads lately?


    I would suggest creating a "What do you think is wrong with the game" type of thread for everyone to complain at and voice their opinions. Maybe OP could summarize people's complaints every once in a while into the first post...

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  • posted a message on What do you think about the "globe support" problem, and what should be done about it?

    I honestly think that certain aspects of the globe spawn support builds really create some awesome gameplay elements. Barb support charging around to pick up health globes while pulling mobs and spawning more globes in-between, i don't know, it's quite a complicated and fun type of game play that requires quick decision making and some thought. I think Blizzard should improve on top of ideas like globe spawn support instead of completely removing them from the game. I think the direction the devs take with every patch is extremely narrow-minded and stupid. It's like they have some set rules from 5 years ago and they are still trying to enforce them into the game disregarding the fact that the meta has evolved and the game has changed dramatically over the past few years...


    Having said that, i still think that it's possible to make fun and engaging gameplay in grifts group play even without globe spawn or healers or whatever but i don't really understand what the devs are trying to accomplish... I don't think we will ever see groups of 4 dps classes outperforming dps+support groups simply because of the nature of things like dps/toughness buffing skills, pulling skills, crowd control skills, etc...

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  • posted a message on Bot banwave?

    And here we go again with the pointless discussion and people bringing up the same useless points. It affects people because of the leaderboards, get that into your head.


    Thread should be closed imo...

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