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    posted a message on maybe I am wrong but DIII just doesn't look or feel like DII
    I enjoy reading peoples comments about how much better Diablo 2 is compared to Diablo 3 and that Diablo 3 doesn't feel like Diablo 2.

    I have an idea for you. Go play Diablo 2. They are different games. One of the two was made many years ago.
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    posted a message on PvP vs RM AH, where are Blizzards priorities.
    I've made a poll to see how large both these niches are. Go answer the questions.
    http://www.diablofans.com/topic/26615-pvp-vs-real-money-for-virtual-goods/
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    posted a message on PvP vs Real money for virtual goods.
    This question came up in my post: http://www.diablofans.com/topic/26483-pvp-vs-rm-ah-where-are-blizzards-priorities/

    I just want to get an idea how large the PvP community was vs people who payed real money for virtual goods.
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    posted a message on At what point did this game become an MMORPG?
    It's posts like these which make me despise posting on forums.

    Please describe what makes a MMORPG an MMORPG in exact detail.
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    posted a message on PvP vs RM AH, where are Blizzards priorities.
    Quote from Nooney53

    Quote from ShadowGoat

    Fine, my wording was bad. People buying items for RM was a smaller community than PvP. Thats the only point I'm trying to get across.

    Do you really think so? I knew lot more people who bought items than those who were into "serious" PvP in D2. I mean sure they joined public PvP games, but that's not real pvp.

    I believe it was more popular, but as a fact, your right... None of us can say.

    If I could, I'd start a poll asking "Did you play a lot of PvP in Diablo 2 or WoW", "Did you pay real money for virtual goods in Diablo 2 or WoW", and "I did both".
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    posted a message on PvP vs RM AH, where are Blizzards priorities.
    Fine, my wording was bad. People buying items for RM was a smaller community than PvP. Thats the only point I'm trying to get across.
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    posted a message on PvP vs RM AH, where are Blizzards priorities.
    Quote from Nuvian

    I thought the discussion here was about Blizzards attitude toward implanting a more serious non casual pvp system? you quoted me way back about my post which was about blizzards involvement and support for pvp which was in diablo 2 casual.

    I never said that players/fans didn't take it serious, but the point is that blizzard doesn't want people to be measured by a rank/ladder in pvp, and that is a good thing in my opinion since the pvp side is aimed at more casual players.

    My point was why is Blizzard spending resources on something like a RM AH which was a very niche community while outwardly expressing that they want to make sure D3 PvP is casual, even though competitive PvP in D2 was a much bigger niche.
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    posted a message on PvP vs RM AH, where are Blizzards priorities.
    Quote from Nuvian

    What is so hard to understand about the casual pvp, pvp was casual in Diablo 2, this is Diablo 3 so they want to keep the game true to its roots, i don't see how the RM AH has anything to do with that to be honest.

    And you cant really compared the money/resources/time investment it takes to add RM AH to a competitive pvp system that needs constant attention when it comes to nerfing and buffing all the builds/skills/runestone effects/items etc...

    Diablo 2 PvP was open ended. Diablo 3 PvP is being forced casual.
    RM AH requires development cycles to create. They are spending those cycles on a much smaller community (people who want to spend real money) rather than on a bigger community (people who PvP competitively). Also, managing a RM AH will be very resource intensive. Your dealing with peoples REAL MONEY. You need a lot of support. At the bare minimum, Blizzard would just need to keep PvP very open ended for it to be competitive. No balancing required (this is not an e-sport).


    Quote from lolx2

    having a ladder will not correct a bad pvp system for exemple.

    So lets say barbarian are overpowered and witch doctor totally suck (its my first char, cant wait) So in the ranking well see ton of barbarian, even 3v3 of barbarians because they will be OP. WHY?! because they dont balance the pvp. Second, if the deathmatch is the only sort of pvp, do we ladder the team or the single individual? by what stat? number of kills? why? a witchdoctor who helped you root the barbarian and feared the sorceress to give more time for you to pewpew wont go up in ranking? So that make a very shitty ladder with only the overpowered class at the top and the shitty one at the bottom, yay!

    Diablo is really a bad game for pvp and even worst one for ladder. its not an e-sport, its not build for that, its made to be pve and it is said from the start. Its like youre friend say he will give you a toaster but in youre head you keep wishing for an oven, it wont happen... not right now, not at release.

    and the RMT has totally nothing to do with pvp, not even the same team.

    edit: im going to be flammed for that but i tought D2 pvp sucked. I did it only because i was tired of doing run and levels to friends. Sometime i got a good fight but mostly it was crybaby using portals and potion, running everywhere on the map playing hide and seek. Lemme remember it right with a sorc... hmm .. bone cage, teleport,bone cage, teleport,bone cage, teleport,bone cage, teleport,bone cage, teleport,bone cage, teleport,bone cage, teleport,bone cage, teleport,bone cage, teleport,bone cage, teleport etc... (an exemple, dont go juge like crazy over a simple exemple) or against a barbarian? bone cage, leap and attack, move,bone cage, leap and attack, move,bone cage, leap and attack, move,bone cage, leap and attack, move,bone cage, leap and attack, move etc. Against a paladin? Bone cage, bone spear , bone spear , paladin pot,Bone cage, bone spear , bone spear , paladin pot,Bone cage, bone spear , bone spear , paladin pot etc.

    i gave some exemple, really really basic because of course there is more into it but how much it did happen? After that, people keep telling me! owmegawd! D2 pvp is sooooOOOooo awes0me! I played a ton of games all along the years that pvp was way more interesting seriously

    1. I was not saying a ladder would correct the system. It's just a feature I personally would enjoy.

    2. Look at my above response about the RM AH

    3. You have your own opinion about D2 PvP. You obviously PvP'd against amateurs. I personally played a lot of SvB (on both sides) and a good barbarian could actually hold his own against a Sorc with teleport. People found ways to make things work even if the game was super unbalanced.
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    posted a message on PvP vs RM AH, where are Blizzards priorities.
    I understand why Blizzard has included the RM AH. It's the year 2011 and people pay for virtual goods these days. LoL? Battlefield? D2Jsp existed for D2 so Blizzard is just giving the community a tool that they were already asking for.

    What I don't understand is why they are making it clear how casual PvP will be. I'm sure everyone can agree that the PvP community was MUCH larger than the real money trading community in D2. Why does it feel like they are giving support to such a smaller community with the RM AH and really limiting what we will be able to do with PvP.

    One of the reasons why D2 PvP was so good because there were no restrictions. Players made the rules, did what they wanted. It seems like Blizzard wants to tell us how to PvP and that they want to reinforce that you shouldn't play PvP in a competitive way.

    On a personal note, the only type of reward I want for PvP is a ladder.


    And I'd just like to say something about balance. Diablo 3 doesn't need to be balanced. Diablo 2 was not balanced whatsoever. The community will learn to play with what they are given. If the Demon Hunter is the most underpowered class in the game... Oh well, people will deal with it by having fair fights playing DH vs DH. Blizzard should let the community decide how they want to play, not the other way around.
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    posted a message on MacBook Advice
    You mentioned you wanted to buy a MacBook Pro as an long term investment... You also mentioned you want to play games on the highest graphics. Long term investment and higher graphics don't belong in the same sentence. High performance gaming PC's are lost $$$.

    Console developers always have to optimize for the console they are developing on to stay competitive. Want to make your game more revolutionary then the last and better than your competition? OPTIMIZE YOUR CODE! On the other hand, PC developers usually just say to themselves... "We can same money on resources" or "We are running out of development time/resources, lets just get our customers to upgrade their computer".

    That's why your PC hardware doesn't run games on the settings you use to run them 6 months ago.

    If you want to have a decent lifespan and don't care about running on the highest forever... Get the 15 MacBook Pro with the upgraded graphics card.
    If you need to have the best graphics always I would go with a desktop. This way you can upgrade specific parts individually but understand you'll be dishing out 300-500$ every 6-12 months to stay up to date.
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    posted a message on Boss Loot
    You make a good point about having to do the same MF run countless times, and a look table would kinda fix that... But I feel that a loot table is bandaid to that problem. The real problem is giving specific bosses a much greater loot drop then others. I like completely random drops because that will increase trading/economy, but I will find it boring if the only person you should kill to find items to trade is Baal.

    I played classic mostly. My MF runs always included High Counsil -> Mephisto -> Diablo which is a bit nicer than Baal -> Baal -> Baal but that could still be improved.
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    posted a message on PvP anti guild.
    Quote from bigtimmy

    if this is the real deal and it eventuates. I have half a dozen or so blokes who did fairly well in Wow arena who no doubt will be interested. we were going to do our own thing anyway but more info between more people is always good :). We would probably be on US East

    bigtimmy, i sent you a PM.
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    posted a message on PvP anti guild.
    Quote from Olden Soul

    Sounds fun! I'm really anxious to play Diablo 3. I love PvP. So you can count me in.

    Just set you a PM.
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    posted a message on PvP anti guild.
    Rogaul_6620511 & EGamerEury, currently writing you two a PM.
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    posted a message on PvP anti guild.
    Quote from Zhuge

    ofc this is assuming any of you get keys which i cant say anyting about..

    we do need rival groups as compared to dfans staff.

    :D

    All I ment by beta/release was "the first day we get the game".
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