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    posted a message on blizzard doesnt love diablo anymore.

    it's obvious, but they will announce a new expansion most likely. so diablo will get some new maps, some changes, but it will still spit at the spirit of the genre and will lack innovation and potential to grow. but there are so many people crawling in blizzards a** it will not matter. they are blind how bad this game is actually.

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    posted a message on Ban wave in EU and US
    Quote from Uglytoes

    Well, I'll start off by saying that I am a botter. Do I value my account? To some extent, but would it ruin my life if it got terminated? Nah. So a little bit about me and why I choose to bot; I am active duty military serving overseas. I work in a very high tempo environment and my time to play is limited. Some of you feel that this is a valid reason for me to enjoy the game less than you do. I think we can all agree that end game is where the enjoyment comes from. Having the gear and paragons to run GRs with friends and push some higher GRs is what I bot for. I cannot afford to sit in front of my computer for 16 hours a day grinding out materials and levels and gear to ultimately get to the part where I can enjoy the game.


    I don't have 1000 keys sitting in my bank or pages full of mats. I am barely over 1000 paragon, but fairly close to 1500. Yes, I do have really good gear. No, I am not even ranked on the leaderboards. I don't play for bragging rights or to flex my epeen at the end of the season. I have botted fairly conservatively. 8 hrs most in one session and most of the time anywhere from 2-5 days a week randomly selected days.


    As Chainer said, in the current system, even at my current paragon level, most people do not want to group because my PL is considered low. So my ability to play outside of a small group of friends is limited. This essentially bottlenecks the community into different tiers that are not even based on skill, but on time put into the game. The community gets smaller by the day and different aspects drive different people away, but I can assure you that the botters, even the 24/7 ones helped sustain the community. Many of you condemn botters, but at the same time you have benefitted from botters. You do not suffer the consequences of account closure but in some way, running in that group with a botter you benefitted. Should all accounts be wiped then? Ignorance is one thing, but a lot of you are being very hypocritical. You celebrate the bans when you benefitted in the end. Botting is not the problem here. Bots provide a means to and end. Most bots cannot run past GR80 roughly, so these people you feel threatened by on the leaderboards did not have the bot get them their rank. Like I said, the bot provided a means to afford that opportunity for them to rank but it did not get it for them. So this brings me back to my original statement. I don't have the means to put in the same amount of time as a streamer. You want a competition based on skill, but currently skill is not the determining factor, its time. But I should be at a disadvantage because I cannot afford to use donations or my mom and dad's savings account to support me? I'm not knocking people's lifestyles but right now Blizzard has dictated that these are the factors that will divide the playerbase.


    TLDR: I'm a botter, ban me idc.


    your main thing u don't realise is the part, that u can't have both. it does not matter what service u do. does not make u a better person. no matter what u do, there are always sacrifices to be made. look at your bank account and be happy about it and laugh about others who play diablo 16/h a day when they look at theirs. or is it ok for u if i apply to the military and take steroids to be stronger than others who 'deserve' that spot more than me? who trained their whole life for it ? just because it is only a computer game in the eyes of the society it is not fair to cheat in a competition. to be fair actully talking about competition in D3 is a joke on it's own. there is no competition in this game. if you look for competition as a *huh* *huh* skilled players as u claim to be show it of in other games. and grinding games are not made for ppl with a fulltime job with less than a couple hours to spend a week.

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    posted a message on Open Letter against Botting

    i like the fact that some players from a known top end clan underline a letter to blizzard while knowingly playing with ppl in their clan that bot themselves. especially ppl that use hacks/cheats themselves to be in the top ladder. note : those are cheats 99.999999999% of all Thud and ros-bot users dont even know about.*flies away*.

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    posted a message on GabyNator BANNED

    damn i wished blizzard would know about all those tools some clans/players have access to beside thud and farmbots. damn that would be a great reveal :D

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    posted a message on I Broke Diablo for a bit with this density. GR70
    Quote from Wyand1337go-next


    Quote from Sarickkgo-next

    I do that every time, even when I fight 10mobs. Guess my class, and guess that 1 ability that does it :D.





    unskill/unequip all area damage, never lag again as wd



    That's only an acceptable solution if you are okay with not doing damage anymore.
    You have to realize that area damage, even if the damage it causes doesn't appear on the screen, makes up most of your damage on bigger pulls, especially as a AoE-class/spec like the helltooth witch doctor. If we stay with the above example of fighting 10 grouped mobs (which is easily achievable even playing solo) and only use the 50% AD from gear, we are talking about half of our damage coming from AD. Now if we put some AD on our gear and end up around 100% AD (that's without perfectly rolled rings with crit, crit-damage and AD), we're already talking about two thirds of our damage coming from AD, which is just massive. Removing that AD is just like equipping a weapon which says "-65% damage" and being okay with it just so the lags disappear. I'm sure if unequipping AD would show up in Blizzards UI as "lol -65% damage against 10 enemies", there would be much more of an outrage.

    And that's for rather small groups of 10 mobs, the damage from AD would scale exponentially with pack-size. At least almost, up to a threshold depending on enemy size and map layout, since you can't clump an infinite amount of enemies within the AD-range of each other.
    Now to be honest, if we account for the AD-bug that makes one of the focus/restraint rings not work with AD, the numbers are a little but lower, but not that much, We still end up having like 42% and 60% of our damage coming from area damage in the above examples with 10 mobs.

    So, I don't want to be mean or anything, but you must be realistic about what big of a hit it is to your damage output getting rid of area damage. If you just play casually, don't care about high grifts, leaderboard ranks, spots in high grift farming-groups or whatever stuff like that and just want to enjoy the helltooth builds for their fun gameplay (which in may opinion they definitely offer), then go ahead, remove AD and be happy. But if you kinda want to bring a serious damage dealer to the board then this is simply no option. You'd be better off switching to carnevil or rerolling to barb or monk.


    barb suffers the same with intense lag in high density tho. i just needs more density to start the same lag. area damage is bugged anyways as it does not count in damage multipliers from setboni nor does it take focus and restraint secondory procced from spenders ( not generators!) into account. u can read that up on many subreddits for every class. btw no matter how hard u push ur area damage the chance of it proccing will never be higher than 20% :). so with paragon u only get roughly 12.5 damage aoe damage on top(to every secondary mob around the one it is procced on ). most classes cant get more anyways beside shoulders and this does not take riftguardian into account or single out enemies. the range of area damage is pathetic aswell. barbs do so much damage not cause of this but the intense scaling of density to bloodrage-bloodshed rune. roughly 80% of their damage comes from that rune alone.

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    posted a message on I Broke Diablo for a bit with this density. GR70
    Quote from Sarickkgo-next

    I do that every time, even when I fight 10mobs. Guess my class, and guess that 1 ability that does it :D.

    unskill/unequip all area damage, never lag again as wd
    Posted in: Diablo III General Discussion
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    posted a message on We want new classes! In-Depth Analysis of what we have now and what could be added.

    there is a game where all these classed exist. it's from the same company.

    Posted in: Theorycrafting and Analysis
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    posted a message on Patch 2.3: Botter's Heaven?

    botters dont effect leaderboards in any way. every good player in the leaderboard is like 10 times more efficient than a bot can ever be.

    botters dont take away anything away from u as u only grinding for ur own sake. and no, i dont bot at all.

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    posted a message on TurboHud - three simple questions
    Quote from qweego-next


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    Doesn't change the fact that they can ban you for anything or nothing at all.

    They don't need a reason.






    again. this is not true. ppl still believe this, but it is not. if they cancel ur license without a proof, u could atleast get ur money back 5years since u bought it. if they need to proof that u used THud for their reason to cancel ur lisence, damn that is shitlot of money waiting for u, probably enough to move to dubai for the rest of ur life. a happy life.


    Read their ToS and come back with that statement.

    just because it is written in their ToS doesnt mean it's final law. if i found a company and write that i beat everyone to death that uses scripts or bots on my server and everyone accepts it doesnt mean i am allowed to do it. internet law is far from being final these days.

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    posted a message on TurboHud - three simple questions
    Quote from eplego-next

    I remember Mouspad's Maphack in Diablo 2 getting the same treatment as TurboHUD.

    None got banned for it, and it got very widespread, and in the end it was more or less a mandatory 3.rd party application for the game.

    Then one night 1. April there was a huge ban wave for that app, "The Big Ban", personally I got 8 accounts banned that night.

    None expected it to come, but it did. Hopefully Blizzard will address TurboHUD in the same manner.


    TuboHUD only do one thing, give information that shouldn't be available to the player, so that they can exploit, cheat or "cleverly abuse game-mechanics".


    It is very clear in the EULA that it is violating the terms given by blizzard regarding 3.rd party applications interacting with the game.

    Thud is not program that does anything with the game itself. it doesnt inject stuff nor does it do smth for u. it is one of the tools like multiboxing aswell. u cant get banned for it cause u are not doing anything that can be forbidden. like thud. it just scans ur memory and provides information of it.

    to make it clear. i dont like turbohud myself, cause it is sad that u even need it to perform at maximum, and it is sad that blizzard doesnt add anything from it to the game, because it provides so much good things rpgs need.

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    posted a message on TurboHud - three simple questions

    [quote=undefined]


    Doesn't change the fact that they can ban you for anything or nothing at all.

    They don't need a reason.


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    again. this is not true. ppl still believe this, but it is not. if they cancel ur license without a proof, u could atleast get ur money back 5years since u bought it. if they need to proof that u used THud for their reason to cancel ur lisence, damn that is shitlot of money waiting for u, probably enough to move to dubai for the rest of ur life. a happy life.

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    posted a message on TurboHud - three simple questions
    Quote from undefined »

    Doesn't change the fact that they can ban you for anything or nothing at all. They don't need a reason.

    again. this is not true. ppl still believe this, but it is not. if they cancel ur license without a proof, u could atleast get ur money back 5years since u bought it. if they need to proof that u used THud for their reason to cancel ur lisence, damn that is shitlot of money waiting for u, probably enough to move to dubai for the rest of ur life. a happy life.
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    posted a message on TurboHud - three simple questions
    Quote from qweego-next

    Quote from giovaxgo-next

    what I think he means is that if they ban me I want to know to reason. And if the reason is TH, this is like to say that they are using an illegal system to detect it.

    So, who have more to lose, me or them ?



    They don't need to give you a reason, so they automatically win.

    that is not win for blizzard, banning ppls license to rent a spot on blizzards server is allowed only for ppl that acctually damage the economy of their servers ( like insulting, botting n stuff) Thud is not in that category, at least for now, and it doesnt inluence anybody when someone is using it, cause it's not a bot orequal.

    Quote from Sigma

    Quote from Angrymobzy

    turbohud is bannable if u showcase it in streams, and dont hide it for the stream only. otherwise it is not, cause u dont do smth blizzard is allowed to ban.

    TH uses memory read and doesnt inject smth in the game. it just lays a transparent overlay over ur diablo screen that shows information only available in ur memory. it is forbidden for companies to read out ur memory tasks, so they cant detect it without revealing their strategies in finding bots and stuff. even so it is technically against their Terms of Service it is against law to ban u reading out ur own memory. if someone ever gets banned for it u can theorytically go to court and punish them pretty hard for it using illegal tools to detect it. prolly nobody would invest this much money to go against blizzard but blizzard doesnt take the risks so aswell. if u are leading a billion dollors worth company u not taking risk on doing illegal stuff that has only real impact for like a 100 ppl of millions customers. it's more or less tollerated but they are not pleased about it. laws can change tho and they can change their TOS but it would not make any impact against human rights in each countries constitution. for EU i can say atleast u will never get banned for using HUDs that work like THud. hope u got my point :)



    You could not be more wrong if you covered yourself in treacle, climbed into a bag full of wrong things, and rolled down a very steep hill.


    OP, No matter what anyone says about Thud, its not worth loosing an account over, If blizzard wanted people to have mods then they would make it modable like they have wow.

    u get the point wrong mate.


    THud is against blizzard Terms of Service.

    Using warden as a clientprotecting software u agree in accepting blizzards ToS. Warden reading out ur memory is against human law (atleast in European Union).

    which leads to: using turbohud is not aloud. reading out ur memory is not allowed. Result: Blizzard detecting u using turbohud is not allowed->kinda like turbohud is tolerated.

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    posted a message on TurboHud - three simple questions

    turbohud is bannable if u showcase it in streams, and dont hide it for the stream only. otherwise it is not, cause u dont do smth blizzard is allowed to ban.

    TH uses memory read and doesnt inject smth in the game. it just lays a transparent overlay over ur diablo screen that shows information only available in ur memory. it is forbidden for companies to read out ur memory tasks, so they cant detect it without revealing their strategies in finding bots and stuff. even so it is technically against their Terms of Service it is against law to ban u reading out ur own memory. if someone ever gets banned for it u can theorytically go to court and punish them pretty hard for it using illegal tools to detect it. prolly nobody would invest this much money to go against blizzard but blizzard doesnt take the risks so aswell. if u are leading a billion dollors worth company u not taking risk on doing illegal stuff that has only real impact for like a 100 ppl of millions customers. it's more or less tollerated but they are not pleased about it. laws can change tho and they can change their TOS but it would not make any impact against human rights in each countries constitution. for EU i can say atleast u will never get banned for using HUDs that work like THud. hope u got my point :)

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