Wudijo has recently collated a huge and very insightful and detailed guide on UE set. Please proceed to this thread – you'll find nearly all the answers you may face while playing MS build. It covers lots of details regarding optimisation and requirements as well.
The best weapon I've found/crafted so far is Odyssey's End. Do you think if picking Entangling shot is a good idea? It also works with BoTT and adds more damage from abilities. Or is this not worth losing 'instant' dmg and chill effects and higher Hatred generation from EF:F?
Can anybody please share their vision on which spec is (promisingly) best for early 40s GR in hardcore season 3?
UE seems really appealing to me playstyle-wise, but the factor of standing close to targets threatens quite a bit. Or is Natalia's Strafe and RoV better optimised in terms of survivability+dps combination in grifting?
As people tend to say - once hardcore, always hardcore, so this applies to my Diablo experience as well. Having somewhat successfully traveled through S1 with M6 DH and S2 with WoL Torch Monk, I'd like to pick up DH again to play around the new UE and re-worked Natalia's sets.
I'm not pushing too hard and not aggressively aim to HC ladders leaderboards (e.g. S1/S2 was finished by casual runs around 32-35 GRs), but I'd like to understand the potential behind new sets in hardcore.
The question is - how far can the builds around these sets bring you in hardcore? Which one do you consider as a better combination of safety and dps performance? Which do you find more appealing for solo and group play in hc?
UE seems really appealing to me, but the factor of standing close to targets threatens a bit after old Marauder playstyle.
What do you think? What are your gearing plans for DHs in new hardcore season?
Have you managed to test wether the allies' casts of WoL and other abilities benefits from SWK set bonuses? Ofc we keep in mind that PTR is rich on bugs, but may be you have some idea of these bonuses are intended to be applied to allies as well.
every hit after the first hit counts as bounce (aka 170% weapon dmg) including the 3 standard splitted (which are "shattered") aswell as the 4-6 ones from your jekangboard.
Thanks, Kitaen - exactly I wanted to know and actually matches my feelings about BS after patch.
Guys, I wonder how the Blessed Shield damage changes impact the ricochets from Jekangbord? Do I understand it correct, that the 4-6 ricochets count as initial, not-shattered damage (i.e. 430%)?
I don't think the Eberli Charo ( http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/eberli-charo )works for the "shotgun" build as it lowers the "cooldown" of Heavens Fury. If you take the Fires of Heaven rune you remove the cooldown alltogether and substitute it for a Wrath-cost. I don't think the shield lowers the wrath-cost as well.
I know I was referring to Blessed Ground rune if going with this shield.
Can you please share your vision on the desired passives for Foote+Jekang gear combination?
Before the patch I've been running the following: Finery, Hold Your Ground, Renewal and Holy Cause.
With our passives becoming more versatile and potential, I'm thinking to switch to: Finery, Towering Shield, Fervor and Holy Cause. With our 30% dmg reduction buff, survival should not be a big issue imo.
Fervor is amazing now, 15% ias + 15% cdr is a lot of value for one skill and they are both good for the shield build, finery is also good since it scales now as well however hold your ground is a weak damage passive for shields which also goes for any item that increases block chance. Although it does work with it, the numbers aren't that good. Towering shield is a must since it's a flat 20% boost to shields. Last passive should be holy cause for 10% weapon damage increase and the insane heal.
great, thx for quick feedback! Very glad about the changes - makes Shield spec more boss friendly.
Now I really feel torn about what to try first - keep with Blessed shield (have Foote and Jekang) ) or shotgunning (Fate of Fell in stash) or even neverending Heaven's Fury with Fate+Emerli CHaro
Can you please share your vision on the desired passives for Foote+Jekang gear combination?
Before the patch I've been running the following: Finery, Hold Your Ground, Renewal and Holy Cause.
With our passives becoming more versatile and potential, I'm thinking to switch to: Finery, Towering Shield, Fervor and Holy Cause. With our 30% dmg reduction buff, survival should not be a big issue imo.
The funny thing that I've logged before as Lightning Hammers Crusader, but luckily found Foote, so I was probably in game running blessed shield build when you checked me Nevertheless, thanks a lot for advice - I've tried it and DO FEEL the difference. The idea of putting Comdemn (prefer Vacuum) and Provoke+HF was especially nice. The latter was especially enjoyed by me as Hammerdin too. So much appreciated for great feedback on the build aspect!
As for gear suggestions, I have 4 questions:
1) Ring Choice.I do have some class desired rings like SoJ and RoRG. I'm not sure if RoRG is worth equipping right now. I don't feel the necessity of +20% health bonus from Asheara. However, once I find a piece of Akkhan or Blackthorne boots, this might be a good option. But now I think I'd rather keep it in stash and try to reroll SoJ from lightning (used it for hammers) to holy damage. What do you think? Is it worth spending gems and souls?Rerolled 17% holy.
2) Helm Affix. Thanks for tips on reforges - that day I was working on the exact stats as you mentioned, needed souls. In an attempt to get Crit on Visage, I got 15% blessed shield damage. Currently I sit at 43,5% CHC and +331% CHD in game. Am I right thinking that top-rolled blessed shield damage might be better option here?
3) Is Holy Cause still good for Blessed shield build? Or Towering Shield is the way to go (as with 2.0.5 change)?
4) Suggestions for Kadala shards? Boots?http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Doomtrain-2905/hero/38955229
The last but not the least. I really want to appreciate the level of feedback we can get in Crusader threads on the forums. Such guys as you, Silvach, Kapsu, MannerCookieand many others get lots and lots of various checking requests - some have everything fundamentally wrong build and gear-wise, some require really thorough and accurate gear tuning and useful advice of most competent crusaders, but it's exactly you guys on Crusaders forum who are really responsive and help to develop and enhance the interest to the class. The one that's among hardest to transfer to T6, but by far the most entertaining and fun to play imho. Great thanks for this to all the contributors!
Hello,Zakarum fellas. Please tell me there is something I can do on my further journey. Stuch at T3 difficulty. T4 turns to be too unforgiving. Let me know I don;t have to give up cru and play wizard as all my friends do
Thanks a lot for the diversity of your builds reviews, analysis and experimentng. Very useful to watch, especially when you do not have the gear to experiment by yourself. I'll really appreciate if you can cover some questions below.
My armory:http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Doomtrain-2905/hero/38955229Upgrades I'm working on are Aughild Shoulders and RIng of RG.I'm currently playing Lightning Hammers, but at T4 I already strongly feel the necessity of moving to Holy due to dps issues (i'm forced to use this shield due to low HP and 10% fire dmg from helm). Here come 2 options:
1) [Pure Comdemn or Condemn & Blessed Shield]. I have mediocre BoP (2500dps) and Jekangbord with 4 bounces. Is it a worthy try without any Akkhan set pieces? With backpack gear I'm around 70 Holy damage. Will Blessed Shield be viable resource-wise, with SHield GLare Zealous Glare rune and Reaper's Wraps?
2) [Heaven's Fury].With Hammers damage being quite low (crit for 4m with my 70ish Lighning damage), so I fully rely on Heaven's Fury+Provoke (Charged Up). These procs help to kill elite packs quite efficiently due to lots of procs, but not as well as I could do I guess. I like HF and would be great to try it out as well. I've just found the following items:
Do you think these are good enough to start as holy @T4?
What Build and HF Rune would you suggest? I'm curious whether Provoke (Charged) will still be useful within Holy. Or is Hit Me the way to go?
If last rune for HF is the best option, I can craft Hallowed Barricade, since Eberli Charo makes no sence then.
I also run Lightning Hammer build. Have recently switched to Light WW barb, it feels a bit better dmg-wise, but too boring for me.
Could you please share your vision on Falling Sword - Part the Clouds? I'm currently using Judgement-Resolved, but with sitting at 50% CHC unbuffed, I'm thinking to switch it to FS instead. I have above +100% Lightning damage so sounds pretty appealing.
Do you think Judgement-Resolved is waste with my CHC? Akarat - Rally is another potential option, but I don't really use any long CDs (e.g. Impactful Bomb). However, might be helpful with more uptime of 'Provoke-Charged Up' during Hammers, FS lightnings and Heaven's Fury, i.e. more damager overall.
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Wudijo has recently collated a huge and very insightful and detailed guide on UE set. Please proceed to this thread – you'll find nearly all the answers you may face while playing MS build. It covers lots of details regarding optimisation and requirements as well.
http://www.diablofans.com/forums/diablo-iii-class-forums/demon-hunter-the-dreadlands/115857-2-2-everything-you-need-to-know-about-ue-m6
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Hi Wudijo, thx a lot for your efforts on this guide and all the useful inputs.
A short question to you or other DH specialists. I'm running UE Fire build with DML.
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Doomtrain-2905/hero/59776089
The best weapon I've found/crafted so far is Odyssey's End. Do you think if picking Entangling shot is a good idea? It also works with BoTT and adds more damage from abilities. Or is this not worth losing 'instant' dmg and chill effects and higher Hatred generation from EF:F?
Thanks in advance.
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Can anybody please share their vision on which spec is (promisingly) best for early 40s GR in hardcore season 3?
UE seems really appealing to me playstyle-wise, but the factor of standing close to targets threatens quite a bit. Or is Natalia's Strafe and RoV better optimised in terms of survivability+dps combination in grifting?
Mostly solo player here.
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Hi Guys,
As people tend to say - once hardcore, always hardcore, so this applies to my Diablo experience as well. Having somewhat successfully traveled through S1 with M6 DH and S2 with WoL Torch Monk, I'd like to pick up DH again to play around the new UE and re-worked Natalia's sets.
I'm not pushing too hard and not aggressively aim to HC ladders leaderboards (e.g. S1/S2 was finished by casual runs around 32-35 GRs), but I'd like to understand the potential behind new sets in hardcore.
The question is - how far can the builds around these sets bring you in hardcore? Which one do you consider as a better combination of safety and dps performance? Which do you find more appealing for solo and group play in hc?
UE seems really appealing to me, but the factor of standing close to targets threatens a bit after old Marauder playstyle.
What do you think? What are your gearing plans for DHs in new hardcore season?
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Hi Mikhail, thx for explanation.
Have you managed to test wether the allies' casts of WoL and other abilities benefits from SWK set bonuses? Ofc we keep in mind that PTR is rich on bugs, but may be you have some idea of these bonuses are intended to be applied to allies as well.
Thx in advance
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Now I really feel torn about what to try first - keep with Blessed shield (have Foote and Jekang) ) or shotgunning (Fate of Fell in stash) or even neverending Heaven's Fury with Fate+Emerli CHaro
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Can you please share your vision on the desired passives for Foote+Jekang gear combination?
Before the patch I've been running the following: Finery, Hold Your Ground, Renewal and Holy Cause.
With our passives becoming more versatile and potential, I'm thinking to switch to: Finery, Towering Shield, Fervor and Holy Cause. With our 30% dmg reduction buff, survival should not be a big issue imo.
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Thanks a lot for feedback!
The funny thing that I've logged before as Lightning Hammers Crusader, but luckily found Foote, so I was probably in game running blessed shield build when you checked me
As for gear suggestions, I have 4 questions:
1) Ring Choice.I do have some class desired rings like SoJ and RoRG. I'm not sure if RoRG is worth equipping right now. I don't feel the necessity of +20% health bonus from Asheara. However, once I find a piece of Akkhan or Blackthorne boots, this might be a good option. But now I think I'd rather keep it in stash
and try to reroll SoJ from lightning (used it for hammers) to holy damage.What do you think? Is it worth spending gems and souls?Rerolled 17% holy.2) Helm Affix. Thanks for tips on reforges - that day I was working on the exact stats as you mentioned, needed souls. In an attempt to get Crit on Visage, I got 15% blessed shield damage. Currently I sit at 43,5% CHC and +331% CHD in game. Am I right thinking that top-rolled blessed shield damage might be better option here?
3) Is Holy Cause still good for Blessed shield build? Or Towering Shield is the way to go (as with 2.0.5 change)?
4) Suggestions for Kadala shards? Boots?http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Doomtrain-2905/hero/38955229
The last but not the least. I really want to appreciate the level of feedback we can get in Crusader threads on the forums. Such guys as you, Silvach, Kapsu, MannerCookieand many others get lots and lots of various checking requests - some have everything fundamentally wrong build and gear-wise, some require really thorough and accurate gear tuning and useful advice of most competent crusaders, but it's exactly you guys on Crusaders forum who are really responsive and help to develop and enhance the interest to the class. The one that's among hardest to transfer to T6, but by far the most entertaining and fun to play imho. Great thanks for this to all the contributors!
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http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Doomtrain-2905/hero/38955229
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Thanks a lot for the diversity of your builds reviews, analysis and experimentng. Very useful to watch, especially when you do not have the gear to experiment by yourself. I'll really appreciate if you can cover some questions below.
My armory:http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Doomtrain-2905/hero/38955229Upgrades I'm working on are Aughild Shoulders and RIng of RG.I'm currently playing Lightning Hammers, but at T4 I already strongly feel the necessity of moving to Holy due to dps issues (i'm forced to use this shield due to low HP and 10% fire dmg from helm). Here come 2 options:
1) [Pure Comdemn or Condemn & Blessed Shield]. I have mediocre BoP (2500dps) and Jekangbord with 4 bounces. Is it a worthy try without any Akkhan set pieces? With backpack gear I'm around 70 Holy damage. Will Blessed Shield be viable resource-wise, with SHield GLare Zealous Glare rune and Reaper's Wraps?
2) [Heaven's Fury].With Hammers damage being quite low (crit for 4m with my 70ish Lighning damage), so I fully rely on Heaven's Fury+Provoke (Charged Up). These procs help to kill elite packs quite efficiently due to lots of procs, but not as well as I could do I guess. I like HF and would be great to try it out as well. I've just found the following items:
Do you think these are good enough to start as holy @T4?
What Build and HF Rune would you suggest? I'm curious whether Provoke (Charged) will still be useful within Holy. Or is Hit Me the way to go?
If last rune for HF is the best option, I can craft Hallowed Barricade, since Eberli Charo makes no sence then.
What do you think?
Thanks a lot in advance!
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I also run Lightning Hammer build. Have recently switched to Light WW barb, it feels a bit better dmg-wise, but too boring for me.
Could you please share your vision on Falling Sword - Part the Clouds? I'm currently using Judgement-Resolved, but with sitting at 50% CHC unbuffed, I'm thinking to switch it to FS instead. I have above +100% Lightning damage so sounds pretty appealing.
Do you think Judgement-Resolved is waste with my CHC? Akarat - Rally is another potential option, but I don't really use any long CDs (e.g. Impactful Bomb). However, might be helpful with more uptime of 'Provoke-Charged Up' during Hammers, FS lightnings and Heaven's Fury, i.e. more damager overall.
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