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    Mar 22, 2012
    VladDracul posted a message on Pvp Arena Wagers
    Are you kids serious? A license to wager in game gold for an in game battle? Are you all retarded or what? I guess we need a license to use the gambling option in game also, oh and using the vendors you would need a license.
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    Mar 22, 2012
    VladDracul posted a message on [PvP] Blizzard neglecting a major part of what made Diablo, Diablo.
    Quote from ecutruin

    As there have been too many posts since I last posted, I'm going to avoid quoting everyone...

    Clans/Guilds: I actually agree that this feature would be a good one to have. Its not really a PvP specific feature and would be very nice to be able to have an in-game representation for those various clans that will exist anyways.

    eSport: Elementz keeps bringing up that I focus on eSport. The reason for this is that if you don't care if its an eSport or not, then this whole topic is moot. Ranking will not be added unless the game were to be focused towards being an eSport, Blizzard has outright stated this. So, to ask for eSport features means Blizzard would have to balance the game as an eSport. As that would adversely affect the rest of the game, its frowned upon by the majority of the D3 community.

    Duels: Jay Wilson said that we wants a way for people to have duels, even if its just going to a specific spot in the world where you get flagged while in that place. I think an area like this would offer a good way to have the D2 PvP aspect without it affecting those that don't want it. Make a place in the world that flags everyone that walks into the area. Then people could setup their own rules for dueling, etc...and Blizzard doesn't need to support it any further.

    The last point I want to make is that a lot of us that enjoy PvE also like casual PvP. Calling us 'carebears' etc is not a really good way to sway us to your side. In fact, all you achieve by using insults like that is drive us to disagree more. That whole elitist attitude is a major reason why casual players dislike PvP players. If PvP players could just PvP and still be respectful of players that do not PvP, I'm sure the casual crowd would be more respectful of the PvP desires.

    The reality of the situation is this, however...

    - Diablo 3 is nearly finished.
    - eSport level balance is nearly impossible with the current design of the game
    - They've publicly announced that they will stay away from eSport features.
    - Development would be split between PvP and PvE if PvP became a major focus.
    - PvP has never been a major focus in the Diablo series.

    Honestly, they could change their stance on PvP and eSports between now and when PvP is released. Due to the amount of changes that would have to be made to make it a reality (as well as the amount of resources), it isn't likely. They'd be diverting a large amount of their development team in order to make this happen, hurting the PvE gameplay as a result. The majority of their players are primarily PvE players as well, making it a rather bad business decision to focus heavily on eSport PvP.

    Because of all of this, I can say with some confidence that we'll never see eSport features in Diablo 3. It could happen, but there a lot of reasons against it.
    First off, don't want you on PvP'ers side. Your flawed theories and blind nuthuggery would do nothing but bad for the community.
    Secondly, rankings do not require "esport" level balancing. It is a very simple K/D ratio, that is very easily implemented. Will people complain cause they suck to bad to make a strategy? Sure, but they won't complain anymore then kids who can't seem to get past Lord De seis or the lighting monsters.
    Thirdly, again we do not want Blizzard's full support. We just want the very basic tools and options we had before to where we could craft and make PvP what it should be. Instead we get this secluded arena BS that has everyones hands tied. It's like giving power to a person who doesn't want it and just lets it rot.
    AGAIN, PvP does not affect PvM anyway. I don't see how you believe it will or does, because it does not. It is very simple to code skills to work differently for PvM and PvP, it is very simple to allow duel games and non duel games, it is very simple to do everything we ask for...and yet blind nuthuggers like you seem to keep resorting to "esports" ha.
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    Mar 22, 2012
    VladDracul posted a message on PvP timeframe
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    Quote from VladDracul

    Good thing Blizzard made Starcraft 1 to be an esport and the community had nothing to do with it. Good thing Capcom did the same thing with Street Fighter. Good thing Namco did the same thing with Tekken. Good thing every esport game or PvP competetive game was originally designed and created for that sole purpose.....oh wait....none of them were....shit your nut huggery has blinded you....darn.

    Bottom line, community and money decide the outcome of the game, not the developer. I don't care how much you want to try and deny that, cause it goes against what your boyfriend Jay believes in but apparently you are new to games and communities.

    Again, we don't want esports, we just want our options we had before to create our own rules and standards. Not have it half assed by some douchebags who have no idea what they are doing.

    No, the bottom line is that Blizzard has outright stated that features like rankings will not be in the game. I could care less if a eSport community is created for Diablo 3. In fact, I'd probably watch the live commentary as well. However, what I don't want is Blizzard to shift its development completely towards PvP to cater to a minor group of players. I want to see the monthly content updates that they talked about in the past (new quests or random areas). I want multiple expansions. I want more of Diablo, not more of PvP.

    The Diablo series has never been about PvP as a focus, and it shouldn't change just because a small amount of their players complain. Its a single player hack and slash RPG that has multiplayer and PvP components (those components being additions). They game's development should not be driven by PvP and the more eSport-based features that are added the more obligation there will be to do so. This is why I don't want these PvP features, not because I hate PvP....because I love the story and gameplay of PvE.



    P.S. - Insulting me really makes your point more valid...honest.
    I am not saying Diablo should or will be an esport. I was merely making an example of how flawed your theory and concept of Diablo is. If you are to simple minded to think for yourself then I am done wasting my time on you, you can follow like a good little kid what daddy Jay wants you to do in Diablo and drink all that kool-aid.
    Blizzard has neglected Diablo for the better half of a decade, you honestly think they will patch in monthly updates and shit? Ha, maybe first few months they will do something minor and maybe once every year or 2 an expansion, but expect their support to fall short of what you wish cause Blizzard simply doesn't give a damn about Diablo.
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    Mar 22, 2012
    VladDracul posted a message on Nephalem Valor Buff
    Quote from LordSnow

    Quote from VladDracul

    In other words, Blizzard has realized their systems they created to "better" Diablo 2 are broken and do not end up being fun or creating any sort of true connection with the player after playing for an extended period of tme. Stop carebearing the damn game Blizzard, give us optional stats, and real skill system. Trying to be lazy about it and have everything on auto will bite you in the ass and make you create dumb fixes like this, no better then runewords in Diablo 2.

    How is it being lazy, and why is having everything on "auto" dumb?
    It is being lazy because they messed up the skill system with their "new and improved" skill system, so now they throw this in there to try and persuade people to not use common sense and manhandle their mechanic. It's like adding a buff in Diablo 2 for not using W to switch weapons and buff yourself. Everything on auto is dumb because it creates less connection with player and character. When everything is automatically put in, it insults the players intelligence and it does nothing to make the player remember their character. The skills are so interchangeable they don't create any connection either, the runes alone do not make up for their failures of gameplay mechanics.
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    Mar 21, 2012
    VladDracul posted a message on [PvP] Blizzard neglecting a major part of what made Diablo, Diablo.
    Quote from maka

    #No more iron mans (and other classic fun games) - why not? Ironman is totally feasible in D3. I don' get this one.
    You would have to join games with eachother, only 4 people max by the way. Run the content to said level and rules. Then make an arena and do what team death match? They have not announced any other options for arena yet beyond team death match, no customization where its FFA or 1v2, ect. So ironman is very difficult to pull off correctly and quite bothersom.

    #No more joining a random pub game clearing it out and having fun. - if by 'clearing it out' you mean killing the people that are trying to play co-op and wasting their time, then I really don't have anything to say, except: ridiculous.
    If he is talking about random pub games where people are co-oping then I agree. You enjoy your static Diablo where no human emotion or influence changes your gameplay whats so ever. You enjoy knowing exactly how every playthrough will go. If he is talking about pub duel games, then I also agree.
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    Mar 21, 2012
    VladDracul posted a message on PvP timeframe
    Quote from ecutruin

    Quote from rampe

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    Actually, Blizzard outright stated they WON'T be balancing the game as an e-sport. Its not due to RMAH or anything like that. Its due to the fact that they don't want the game revolving around PvP. They want to make a PvE focused game.
    Well I did say I dont expect an esport level of tuning, but I can almost guarantee that somewhere in the future they will do some balancing, add more PvP modes or make a visible ladder etc. There is a huge portion of D3 playerbase that will want more of PvP and Blizzard has a good (and bad) habit of listening to their community if the demand is there. Taking nothing away from PvM here, really looking foward to farm items and unveiling the story.

    See, Blizzard has known the entire time that people wanted e-sport level PvP out of Diablo 3...yet they went and announced right away that it was not happening. They specifically pointed out that they will not be adding features to further Diablo 3 as an e-sport. So, I don't think we'll see a lot of PvP focus at all. I do think we could see more PvP modes potentially, but more as additional mini-games for people to do when they aren't playing through the story. PvP in Diablo 3 is casual only, as stated by Blizzard, and those that don't want to play if it doesn't have competitive PvP should look into other games.
    Good thing Blizzard made Starcraft 1 to be an esport and the community had nothing to do with it. Good thing Capcom did the same thing with Street Fighter. Good thing Namco did the same thing with Tekken. Good thing every esport game or PvP competetive game was originally designed and created for that sole purpose.....oh wait....none of them were....shit your nut huggery has blinded you....darn.

    Bottom line, community and money decide the outcome of the game, not the developer. I don't care how much you want to try and deny that, cause it goes against what your boyfriend Jay believes in but apparently you are new to games and communities.

    Again, we don't want esports, we just want our options we had before to create our own rules and standards. Not have it half assed by some douchebags who have no idea what they are doing.
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    Mar 21, 2012
    VladDracul posted a message on [PvP] Blizzard neglecting a major part of what made Diablo, Diablo.
    Omega hit the shit on the head, his post shows he actually did PvP in Diablo 2, he wasn't just a random who got spanked in pub games by some tals set garbage player. He is the only 1 on here I have seen that has any authority to really talk about PvP in Diablo 3, everyone else on here is just some PvM'ers who got PK'd and are butthurt or joined a pub game or 2 and got owned and are salty.

    You PvM'ers cry and complain "Well Diablo is a PvM game and meant for loot and hack n slash!!!". That is correct, it was inteded to be a PvM game, also intended to be a SOLO PvM game. Now apparently to you kids, what a game is intended to be at the start automatically decides what it is at end game also. It apparently is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to play Diablo and enjoy Diablo for PvP and not PvM because the gods have deemed it to be unholy and evil.

    The real PvP community are not asking for esports, we are not asking for balance changes, we are not asking for a secluded arena with no customization. The wannabe WoW kids who think they can PvP might be, but I guarantee you they drop the game first year cause they realize...hey I can't just autoaim all of my skills and smash my face on the keyboard and win now.

    Regarding PvP affecting PvM, if Blizzard is to stupid to make skills work differently in PvP and PvM then they should just send me the code for the game and ill finish it myself. It is junior programming at best to give a skill a different trait depending on the scenerio.

    All in all, in the end PvM'ers should stay far far away from PvP, you should thank god and Jay Wilson that the game is so carebear to where you could never be attacked in the game wether it be verbally or physically (Even when you run your mouth cause you got tals set and are so GDLK). I really don't understand why you kids feel need to type in the PvP section, not like you have the skill or the want to participate in it so why bother? I don't go to PvM forums and shit all over myself about how killing Diablo for the 100000000x is boring, so take your ear...take your corpse...and save n exit.
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    Mar 21, 2012
    VladDracul posted a message on Nephalem Valor Buff
    In other words, Blizzard has realized their systems they created to "better" Diablo 2 are broken and do not end up being fun or creating any sort of true connection with the player after playing for an extended period of tme. Stop carebearing the damn game Blizzard, give us optional stats, and real skill system. Trying to be lazy about it and have everything on auto will bite you in the ass and make you create dumb fixes like this, no better then runewords in Diablo 2.
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    Mar 21, 2012
    VladDracul posted a message on [PvP] Blizzard neglecting a major part of what made Diablo, Diablo.
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    Quote from pskfry

    I don't understand what the problem is - PvP will be added in a future patch, and there will be arenas, ladders, etc. It just won't be supported like an eSport, it'll be supported like it was in D2 - something fun to do to take a break from PvE

    Exactly! This whole argument to turn Diablo 3 PvP into an esport, based on the idea that Diablo 2 PvP was important is illogical. It's like saying "Diablo 2's PvP was so good, that I won't be satsifed with something similair being offered in D3. Instead the whole game should be balanced around it, and it should be an esport." :P
    Except that no one is saying that? Also unless this changed, there will be no ladders, no stats, just achievements which boil down to nothing. Arena is nowhere near anything like what we had in Diablo 2.

    While I agree that the WoW crowd is a bunch of children who whine over anything, I don't see many of them staying with Diablo or even handling the PvP period because PvP in WoW is childs play to Diablo. There was no need for buffs or nerfs in Diablo 2, every class had an obvious con and an obvious pro, how good you were with your character determined how obvious said con and pro were. It was like a giant rock paper scissor game where if you were good you could manipulate your rock to beat paper, it was an uphill battle but very possible, especially with kids like the ones in this thread and forum dueling you.
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    Mar 21, 2012
    VladDracul posted a message on [PvP] Blizzard neglecting a major part of what made Diablo, Diablo.
    Quote from Leeodin

    Alright; I was there, during D2's golden age and I have to say people that keep ranting on about how perfect it was and how it made the game are fucking all stoned or something.

    D2's PvP WAS NOT THAT MAJOR! It was okay for a couple of months and that was that. I am sorry you feel so butt-hurt over this but all the PvPer's are just being stubborn morons (see I can generalize and insult a massive group just like you can, but I don't need a wall of text to do it).

    I have no problem with PvP; it can be fun, but I do have a problem with turning D3 into an Esport, which it isn't and never will be.

    To sum your post up...your an idiot. In D2's "glory age" PvP was very much alive and kicking and definitly major. Maybe randoms like you or other kids in pub games who thought their sigons set or tals set was something to brag about didn't see this but everyone else did.

    PvP is THE end game of Diablo. like the TS stated, you can only run the same content so many times, you can MF for meaningless gear only so many times, you can trade all day if you want and make a profit but other then that it is PvP. People traded, MF, and leveled TO PvP, majority sure as hell did not do those to kill easy ass monsters that a level 9 with proper gear could.

    And you people always trying to bring esports and nerfs and buffs and WoW into this, seriously? You have no idea and I mean NO idea what PvP in Diablo obviously is. This is why Pvp is getting destroyed in Diablo 3 because it is being developed by a guy who has NO idea what PvP in Diablo is. Not ONCE and I mean ONCE, in my 10+ years of playing Diablo PvP, did I hear 1 person cry for esports, cry for nerfs, cry for buffs. NOT ONCE, do you kids understand this? This is not WoW, if the developer sucks that bad at making a game that every class has a pro and a con and is not S+++ tier then he needs to be fired.
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    Mar 21, 2012
    VladDracul posted a message on Who's getting Collector's Edition!!
    I have it reserved, probably sell it for double the price it is worth and buy game when it gets discounted. Then buy that USB soulstone for like $20 down the road.
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    Mar 18, 2012
    VladDracul posted a message on PvP timeframe
    Quote from ecutruin

    They aren't looking to make some 'robust' PvP system. They are making a PvP system that is supported with matchmaking, vanity rewards, and achievements. Its 'casual' PvP, not something meant for highly competitive play. Diablo 2 wasn't focused around PvP either. PvP in Diablo 2 was a extremely simplistic feature that just let players damage each other like they can monsters. It wasn't some established system, league, etc. At least in Diablo 3 they are adding matchmaking, rewards, etc. If what you want some form of highly competitive PvP, tough. The Diablo series is not about PvP, it isn't going to change now just because a minor group of players complain.

    I give Blizzard more credit as well. I believe infernal will be a lot more difficult then you make out. If it does turn out to be too easy, I'm very confident that Blizzard will patch to tune it to increase the challenge.
    Except there was an established system, there were leagues, and there were rankings. Ive had this conversation a million times. PvM players always refuse to look at all of the facts and clues when discussing what Diablo is and how it turns or turned out. Whether Blizzard wants or wanted Diablo to be PvM only or mainly PvM doesn't hold any weight on what Diablo turns out to be. I am not saying it is a PvP only game or mainly PvP, but the game sure as hell isn't only PvM and in the long run PvM only sits as an avenue to get gear so you can PvP. Blizzard obviously doesn't see this because their current dev team knows nothing about Diablo as is apparent with their development cycle and priorities, they have the game set for the first year, then they will require expansion packs every year to keep interest, otherwise they will lose people left and right because simply put no one wants to run the same shit 10000000000000x.

    "But oh the bosses don't drop the best gear and it will be more dependent on mobs." Yea ok, so find the best spawn point of said mob and run that a million times...yay.....and Blizzard has a history of fucking Diablo, so any real support from them is nut huggery delusion as best.
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    Mar 18, 2012
    VladDracul posted a message on PvP timeframe
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    Quote from Omega329

    I give it 6 months before PvP, 3 months after all content is cleared for even the noobs, people sitting around doing nothing, spamming chat channels talking about crap, Chinese farmers saturating the market and basically giving everyone god gear for pennies, and then when we are like "lets go PvP", we can't because of a small player base of "diehard pve'ers" that dislike PvP, and an incompetent design leader (Jay Wilson), who basically threw PvP in the trash.

    Sorry, but no. The primary player base of ALL of the Diablo games has always been about PvE. Playing PvP has always been a side feature of the game that a minority make use of regularly. I have a feeling the new arena system will be used MORE due to the fact that its an integrated system that lets people queue up to fight roughly equal opponents. Its casual PvP for a game that has never been about PvP in the first place.

    I'll also refute Jay Wilson being a bad designer. There are very few bad design decisions in Diablo 3 (of what we can play). Most of those mistakes are also incredibly minor things that really don't hurt the gameplay. Diablo 3 is a very well designed game. As for him throwing PvP in the trash, you're wrong there as well. PvP has been given MORE support then it has ever gotten in the Diablo series. Its not going to be e-sport PvP, no, but since Diablo is a PvE focused game it makes sense.

    Riiiiight. So since PvP now has a dedicated spot to fight in...that suddenly means more support? So gone are duels whenever you want mid game, gone are dynamic game play revolving around real life interactions with emotions through the hostility function, gone are the public games where you can gather together with 7+ people and chat and duel. Now we have...a secluded arena where it is primary just a death match which caters to the PvE crowd who will use it once or twice in their life and their whole goal while in the arena will be to run away till health orbs pop up...fantastic I love all this great support PvP is getting. Face it kid, you don't know shit about PvP in Diablo or long term Diablo gameplay obviously, if you did you would notice that PvE doesn't keep kids interested in Diablo for 10+ years, PvP does. Why do you have bots that grind gear and levels for you, and are very very very widely used if PvE in Diablo was the greatest thing since slice bread? I want you to take a look at D2JSP and go check how many posts and threads are in the PvP section of Diablo 2, also check the trade section which is everyone trading for PvP gear, now mind you these numbers pale in comparison to what they were.

    PvE in Diablo is about as hard as a wet limp noodle, inferno mode will be no different.

    By the way you won't see any PvP related content for Diablo 3 in 4-7 months. They couldn't even put in chat channels in bnet2.0 in under 6 months. Why you kids think they can put in this "great robust" pvp system in less is beyond me.
    Posted in: PvP Discussion

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    Mar 15, 2012
    VladDracul posted a message on Diablo III Launching May 15 – Digital Pre-Sales NOW OPEN
    To little to late Blizzard. You fail on all accounts. GW2 and Tera and Capcom will be getting my money now since obviously you guys have no idea what you are doing at Blizzard anymore. Good thing too since I can get 2 games for the price I was gonna get ripped off on with your "collectors" edition HA. Stay free PvM scrubs.
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    Mar 11, 2012
    VladDracul posted a message on Who would win? Gear vs Skill
    Funny how clueless everyone in here is. You have kids who never PvP'd or won in PvP in their life in Diablo 2 trying to predict how PvP is in D3. You also have WoW kids who think they know how to PvP when the game auto aims all their moves for them and all they do is click 1-10. You guys won't last 10 seconds in D3 PvP.

    Gear means very little to the top PvP'ers. It helps but it is not the deciding factor. Being able to control your character and aim your moves and predict your opponent is the deciding factor. Just cause you kids got sat by some tals sorc wear mfing newb doesn't mean gear is as important as you think. Please refrain from speaking of PvP again, go back to PvM where you belong.
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