we will need to craft things on seasons to start out with say reapers. now i don't know about you but i took 35 crafts to get my good set of them with stats i needed with more then just one class! So i play all classes that's 210 crafts or 350 bounty's for my bracers if i use them on all classes and they are a good starter item. so now i need a full set on my guys to get ready with crafting how many bounty's are forced on me now for one i never liked doing them and instead of doing them i would walk gr's to make them take longer i would go 1 11 21 31 37 45 and save it for group play.
how come now i am forced to do bounty's and play content that they told us they where going to fix now make worse instead of getting the mats doing forced rifts yes i mean forced we get better loot from rifts and if i ask my group to do normal runs of just full clears people act like i am crazy i like the normal game but 50% better chance at loot that's forced but i played that game i have the stats to back it up.
The only thing i want to ask is how many none botter's are going to do seasons anymore having to run say over 2-3k bounty's just to get full sets of gear and ready to clear? when all the botter's (none flam please) go to sleep get the (work) done and don't have to do it. But still crush the leader boards and nothing happend's to them. This is getting silly 1 step forward and 2 back taking 30 min's of play and making it 5 days is not better i say 5 days because the bounty's that we legitamit players do take time and have to be hand ran.
In short what i would like to know for people that did ptr did you craft anything and how long do you think it will take to get a full set of crafted or simi full set thanks guys and take care
If you realy feel like all the content is "forced" on to you, then maybe.. Just maybe, you aren't realy enjoying playing D3 anymore.
^ This.
Also, crafted items aren't required, and they are available from level 1 normal to 70 TX. Just levelling you're likely to grab up quite a few. This is a non-issue for almost every 'legit player'... Love how botting always seems to come with (insert new complaint here). Yes it's an issue, yes there's going to be a fix for it. Although, what? I'm not sure, still see people going crazy on console with outrageous things.
You need less of other mats. and the start of a season its much easier to farm for the bounty mat than getting 2 forgotten souls. So i do not see the problem
IMO, it's a better way to craft items by new players/season beguinning, as you don't need to have tons of lengendaries to savage and get the forgoten souls to start crafting any recipe. You will need to do bounties anyway, to get materials, drops and all at beguining. Even a level 1 grift is out of reach to most new players and seasonal chars in the 1st week (more or less).
Devs intentions are to make every aspect of the game usefull in its way. So, bounties needed an incentive now, as you won't need them to farm keystones anymore. But don't mind about it, no recipe is good enought to use after 3-5 days playing. So, not worth the effort to farm them. Keep your material for cube recipes (we will need it a lot!). If you really want to use a build based on crafted items, it is fair you will need to farm the craft material to get a perfect piece of gear, like other builds will need to farm days/months to get theirs. But, crafted based builds still will be easy to gear up as you will have an item for sure after farm the recipe's components, while droped based build depends exclusively of RNGeesus to decide to help...
I think getting over 70 arcane dust for one pair of bracers was taking more time than getting legendary mats with some of other mats from caches in 2.3.
About grifts, since you cannot upgrade keys now you should store keys until you're able to do some 30-40's, unless you're dependent on some legendary gem. As far I tested on ptr you can get to torment 6-8 in one day (dependent on luck, tested without drop buff).
@lamack Level 1 GR is equal to normal difficulty so even with yellow gear it wouldn't be problem to complete. But I dont see a purpouse in doing super low GRs in 2.3 since you cannot go higher at cost of one key like in 2.2.
And I think GR40 will be beaten in first 24h of new season
Hi, azakus87, in fact, i just mentioned Gr1 because op said he would prefer to start doing grifts from start. And when new season comes to live we know we all will need to start from lv 1 GR and up every step again. Assuming you will star a new char from lv 1 - GR lv 1, in public games, you will be a little underpowered yet. Monster will get the 4 men bonus, but you will not have a good wep. armor or even all pieces of gear to equip, and will have little help from the other players for now as they will be at same position as you. So, it means: you are for yourself for now! Better to go for group only with friends or farm a little (lv 10?) to start joining public games. Of course you can have luck and find a group of players that will help more or less, but it is dubious to figure out yet.
@lamack You're not able to start or enter GR until you're lvl 70. Anyway playing GR1 is same as playing regular rift at normal diff with only difference you only get drop from RG.
I know, it was just an imaginary scenario of pregression/leveling all trough grifts. all because @deathmagus1 expeculated, as he sad: "so now i need a full set on my guys to get ready with crafting how many bounty's are forced on me now for one i never liked doing them and instead of doing them i would walk gr's to make them take longer i would go 1 11 21 31 37 45 and save it for group play".
Thats why i said previously: "Even a level 1 grift is out of reach to most new players and seasonal chars in the 1st week (more or less)", as most of them will not be at lv 70 yet. Casual players and a big percentual of non-season players will take a longer time to level up theirs seasonal chars. Without a sistem to help leveling, like the bounties, it would be really boring progress trough campaing mode, or dificult if you could enter a grift from the start lv 1.
As you said, we know some players, heavy seasonal ones, will beat grift 40+ in 1st 24h. But to most of player base, its not a truth. still there is a lot of players at non season games that are not ready to GR 40. and some of them will start seasonal chars too to get cosmetics and all the stuff it brings.
Edit: Of couse, if someone is at lv 70 and still have problems with a grift lv 1, better to go find another game because it's a big problem at D3! ^^ (just joking)
what i am trying to figger out here is.
we will need to craft things on seasons to start out with say reapers. now i don't know about you but i took 35 crafts to get my good set of them with stats i needed with more then just one class! So i play all classes that's 210 crafts or 350 bounty's for my bracers if i use them on all classes and they are a good starter item. so now i need a full set on my guys to get ready with crafting how many bounty's are forced on me now for one i never liked doing them and instead of doing them i would walk gr's to make them take longer i would go 1 11 21 31 37 45 and save it for group play.
how come now i am forced to do bounty's and play content that they told us they where going to fix now make worse instead of getting the mats doing forced rifts yes i mean forced we get better loot from rifts and if i ask my group to do normal runs of just full clears people act like i am crazy i like the normal game but 50% better chance at loot that's forced but i played that game i have the stats to back it up.
The only thing i want to ask is how many none botter's are going to do seasons anymore having to run say over 2-3k bounty's just to get full sets of gear and ready to clear? when all the botter's (none flam please) go to sleep get the (work) done and don't have to do it. But still crush the leader boards and nothing happend's to them. This is getting silly 1 step forward and 2 back taking 30 min's of play and making it 5 days is not better i say 5 days because the bounty's that we legitamit players do take time and have to be hand ran.
In short what i would like to know for people that did ptr did you craft anything and how long do you think it will take to get a full set of crafted or simi full set thanks guys and take care
Sorry for the rant but it is upsetting me :((
^ This.
Also, crafted items aren't required, and they are available from level 1 normal to 70 TX. Just levelling you're likely to grab up quite a few. This is a non-issue for almost every 'legit player'... Love how botting always seems to come with (insert new complaint here). Yes it's an issue, yes there's going to be a fix for it. Although, what? I'm not sure, still see people going crazy on console with outrageous things.
You need less of other mats. and the start of a season its much easier to farm for the bounty mat than getting 2 forgotten souls. So i do not see the problem
IMO, it's a better way to craft items by new players/season beguinning, as you don't need to have tons of lengendaries to savage and get the forgoten souls to start crafting any recipe. You will need to do bounties anyway, to get materials, drops and all at beguining. Even a level 1 grift is out of reach to most new players and seasonal chars in the 1st week (more or less).
Devs intentions are to make every aspect of the game usefull in its way. So, bounties needed an incentive now, as you won't need them to farm keystones anymore. But don't mind about it, no recipe is good enought to use after 3-5 days playing. So, not worth the effort to farm them. Keep your material for cube recipes (we will need it a lot!). If you really want to use a build based on crafted items, it is fair you will need to farm the craft material to get a perfect piece of gear, like other builds will need to farm days/months to get theirs. But, crafted based builds still will be easy to gear up as you will have an item for sure after farm the recipe's components, while droped based build depends exclusively of RNGeesus to decide to help...
Hi, azakus87, in fact, i just mentioned Gr1 because op said he would prefer to start doing grifts from start. And when new season comes to live we know we all will need to start from lv 1 GR and up every step again. Assuming you will star a new char from lv 1 - GR lv 1, in public games, you will be a little underpowered yet. Monster will get the 4 men bonus, but you will not have a good wep. armor or even all pieces of gear to equip, and will have little help from the other players for now as they will be at same position as you. So, it means: you are for yourself for now! Better to go for group only with friends or farm a little (lv 10?) to start joining public games. Of course you can have luck and find a group of players that will help more or less, but it is dubious to figure out yet.
I know, it was just an imaginary scenario of pregression/leveling all trough grifts. all because @deathmagus1 expeculated, as he sad: "so now i need a full set on my guys to get ready with crafting how many bounty's are forced on me now for one i never liked doing them and instead of doing them i would walk gr's to make them take longer i would go 1 11 21 31 37 45 and save it for group play".
Thats why i said previously: "Even a level 1 grift is out of reach to most new players and seasonal chars in the 1st week (more or less)", as most of them will not be at lv 70 yet. Casual players and a big percentual of non-season players will take a longer time to level up theirs seasonal chars. Without a sistem to help leveling, like the bounties, it would be really boring progress trough campaing mode, or dificult if you could enter a grift from the start lv 1.
As you said, we know some players, heavy seasonal ones, will beat grift 40+ in 1st 24h. But to most of player base, its not a truth. still there is a lot of players at non season games that are not ready to GR 40. and some of them will start seasonal chars too to get cosmetics and all the stuff it brings.
Edit: Of couse, if someone is at lv 70 and still have problems with a grift lv 1, better to go find another game because it's a big problem at D3! ^^ (just joking)