Jay Wilson: Auction Houses 'really hurt' game

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    Jay Wilson: Auction Houses 'Really Hurt' Game
    Joystiq just posted a small part of Jay Wilson's GDC talk about Diablo 3. Some excerpts can be found below and you can read the whole article here. We will be posting a video if one such is posted. The post also mentions that Diablo has about 1 million players a day.

    But he said that once the game went live, Blizzard realized it was completely wrong about those last two points. It turns out that nearly every one of the game's players (of which there are still about 1 million per day, and about 3 million per month, according to Wilson) made use of either house, and that over 50 percent of players used it regularly. That, said Wilson, made money a much higher motivator than the game's original motivation to simply kill Diablo, and "damaged item rewards" in the game. While a lot of the buzz around the game attacked the real money Auction House, "gold does much more damage than the other one does," according to Wilson, because more players use it and prices fluctuate much more.

    "I think we would turn it off if we could," Wilson said during his talk. But the problem is "not as easy as that;" with all of Blizzard's current players, he says the company "has no idea" how many players like the system or hate it.

    Ha. Bagstone.

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    Logged in for the first time in 6 months to post this response,

    "No shit?"
    "I believe in the sand beneath my toes. The beach gives a feeling, an earthy feeling. I believe in the faith that grows, And the four right chords can make me cry. When I'm with you I feel like I could die, and that would be alright"
  • #4
    But he did say that the team is working on a viable solution, without giving any other details about what that would be like.


    AH Free Ladder? I'd play that
  • #5
    Quote from Stormus

    Logged in for the first time in 6 months to post this response,

    "No shit?"


    This ^^
    You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
  • #6
    Thank you captain obvious Jay Wilson.
  • #8
    Captain Obvious strikes back!
    To be fair, it is nice they admit their mistake. Even though, a former lead designer admitting anything isn't so useful.
  • #9
    Start again...

    All legendaries/crafts become BOA and all have way better base rolls than rares
    New Currency introduced
    Let AH exist but BIS are what you find/craft not what you buy from the auction houses.

    BOA is not a bad system in my opionon and as at least I would feel more attached to the legendaries I found myself..
  • #10
    In the leadup to D3's release, I was a massive booster of the AH idea. I thought it would be so cool to have a broad market where we could conveniently buy and sell drops, I thought it would combine wonderfully with Diablo's infinite variety of random loot.

    Like Jay Wilson, I was very, very wrong.

    Millions of players + infinite random loot + no binding of gear + no gear sink (except in hardcore) + ultra-convenient auction house does not combine well.
  • #11
    As Tyreal would say to Jay Wilson ..

    'You cannot judge blizzard. I am blizzard itself! The AH was made for more than this! To protect the innocent! But if our precious money grab binded you to inaction...then you will no longer stand as our brother. (Tyreal slays Jay Wilson)
  • #12
    The AH itself isn't the issue, the AH is a very good addition to the game. The problem was balancing drops around the existence of the AH, making it more or less mandatory for character growth. What really doesn't make sense is how Wilson openly said on more than one occasion that drops were balanced around the existence of the AH, yet now says that they didn't expect the majority of players to use it?
  • #13
    Quote from CheehC

    As Tyreal would say to Jay Wilson ..

    'You cannot judge blizzard. I am blizzard itself! The AH was made for more than this! To protect the innocent! But if our precious money grab binded you to inaction...then you will no longer stand as our brother. (Tyreal slays Jay Wilson)


    Translation:

    "I hate companies that make games in order to turn a profit boo hoo."
  • #14
    well said i think, even though he is not the director, it was good to see numbers and stuff being mentioned. Shows the game was very well designed that this many people are playing it.

    Its awesome too how he was comparing the 3 mil players every month to the people screaming their lungs out on the internet... so many headless chickens on fire when there is diablo talk, and i mean you, yes you.

    imo;The system that diablo has for AH is good, hopefully it will be fixed/reset/built upon with the release of expac and will need more features ;D
  • #15
    Quote from LeChokeJames

    Quote from CheehC

    As Tyreal would say to Jay Wilson ..

    'You cannot judge blizzard. I am blizzard itself! The AH was made for more than this! To protect the innocent! But if our precious money grab binded you to inaction...then you will no longer stand as our brother. (Tyreal slays Jay Wilson)


    Translation:

    "I hate companies that make games in order to turn a profit boo hoo."


    Translation : "Companies making profit at the expense of the quality of the product is awesome !"
  • #16
    Quote from LeChokeJames
    What really doesn't make sense is how Wilson openly said on more than one occasion that drops were balanced around the existence of the AH, yet now says that they didn't expect the majority of players to use it?


    Do you happen to have a source on that?

    Ha. Bagstone.

  • #17
    I'm actually considering buying a second copy of D3 just so that I can have an account of characters that never uses the AH. However, I'm not sure I'd trust my own discipline with it since it's just so damned convenient, but I would really love a game mode that removes AH access, that's for sure.
    "It takes a man with real heart...to make beauty out of the stuff that makes us weep." - Clive Barker
  • #18
    Dear Jay Wilson, Here is the simple solution to the AH issue. Make a Ladder mode with no AH. Want AH? Dont play Ladder.
    We want items to mean something again. The game should be based around farming not if I have X gold I can get X gear piece. You said I have no idea how many players like the system or hate it. Give us a choice rather than forcing Ah on the players.

    Jay Wilson @Angryrobotics
    @Joerosa That's exactly what I said in my talk. :) I'll pass your idea on to the dev team.

    There you guys go ;)
  • #19
    Quote from Laevus

    I'm actually considering buying a second copy of D3 just so that I can have an account of characters that never uses the AH. However, I'm not sure I'd trust my own discipline with it since it's just so damned convenient, but I would really love a game mode that removes AH access, that's for sure.


    hey i actually did that with my friend.

    we leveled characters to 60, without AH, MP10 all the way. YOU CAN control yourself if you want to. try it. its actual fun.
  • #20
    He actually said something very similar to that. He said that they had to "have in mind" the AH when messing around with the drop rates.
  • #21
    Quote from anotherdeadhero

    But he did say that the team is working on a viable solution, without giving any other details about what that would be like.


    AH Free Ladder? I'd play that


    No, pretty sure he's talking about adding more gold sinks like they mentioned in the itemization blog. It's been hinted you might be able to spend money to modify items like by rerolling stats.
  • #22
    They know they f'd up big time, doubt that a closure will occur tho. More like balancing the game around loot hunt but with all the repetitive and linear level design even that will die a swift death IF they don't make some adjustments to "actual random map generation and content". The AH is a good trade platform but itemization just bitch-slapped the crap out of it.
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