Auction House Bidding, What Lore Character Would You Like to Know More About?, Poll: Who's Your Favorite Angiris Council Member?

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    Auction House Bidding
    There was a small hotfix for Auction House bidding some time ago. Wyatt Cheng explains the need for it below.

    Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

    The AH was hotfixed a few weeks ago to do this. Instead of raising the current bid 5% over your attempted bid it just brings it up to yours. Blizzard changed it to help prevent other players from finding out your max bid.
    This is correct. Preserving your max bid as a secret is important in allowing players to bid according to their true valuations as well as mitigating shill bids. (Bids with ill intent to artificially inflate the price)

    Others in this thread have said it better than I but in essence if your desire is that you simply want to know what it is that you need to beat (so you can bid a bit higher) flip your thinking over and let the system work in your favor instead. Suppose the current winner is Bob with a visible (public) bid of 50,000 gold. Bob's true max bid (which is hidden from you), is 75,000 gold.

    In this case one of the following will apply:

    Scenario 1: You are willing to bid between 52,500 and 75,000 gold. In this case, you're not willing to pay as much as Bob, so Bob will win. The system will automatically increase Bob's bid to your max bid. Since he entered his bid first (and is also willing to pay more), the system considers Bob the winner.

    Scenario 2: You are willing to bid 75,001 or more gold. In this case, you are willing to spend more than Bob, so the system makes you the winner. Suppose you enter a value of 150,000 gold. Well now the hidden bid is working to your advantage. The public bid is 75,000, the maximum amount Bob was willing to pay. But now you're the one who is willing to pay more, and entered a higher number, so the system considers you to be the winner instead. Even though you entered 150,000 - if the auction were to end right now you only pay 75,000, the maximum of the second place bidder (Bob). Of course somebody else may come along and bid that up, but the system will automatically increment your bid upwards for you to the maximum (150,000) you had specified.

    For the academically interested, you can read more about this auction approach on wikipedia, it's called a Vickrey auction or "Second Price Auction". One very nice property is it gives bidders incentive to bid their true value. a.k.a "Truthful bidding". For the Diablo Auction House it enables players to make a truthful bid, leave the game, come back 24 hours later and see if they won. No need to babysit a bid and make sure you don't get "sniped". As long as you bid the maximum amount you were willing to pay you either win and get a refund for the difference between you and second place, or you lose the auction to somebody who was willing to pay more.

    INFO like this should be in the game guide!
    Good suggestion, I'll pass this along to the Game Guide gurus to have it added.

    That's how it used to work, but it made shill bidding (the practice of having friends bid your item up higher and higher to search for the bidder's max bid, then stop when it is found without ever taking a risk of exceeding it) an issue. Your bid was not truly hidden when the auctions worked that way.
    This is correct.




    What Lore Character Would You Like to Know More About?

    Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

    The dark tales surrounding the realms of Diablo are far-reaching. They chronicle everything from angels and demons, to humans, Nephlem, and beasts too fearsome and innumerable to count.

    Do you pour over each and every drop of Diablo lore? Are you curious about the back-stories behind various characters whose histories and intentions are shrouded in mystery? Do you wonder what became of the brooding faces and familiar places from Sanctuary’s past?

    For this week's community question, we want to ask you: What Diablo lore character would you like to know more about?

    Leave a comment below to let us know, or chime in on Facebookor Twitter!




    Poll: Who's Your Favorite Angiris Council Member?

    Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

    To many scholars, the archangels of the Angiris Council are living representations of the chief virtues of Anu. It is important that we understand that these beings are not like men. They are not made of flesh and blood. They do not age and die as we do.

    The ruling body of the High Heavens consists (or, more accurately, at one point consisted) of five members, each representing one of the primary virtues of Anu:
    • Imperius, the Archangel of Valor
    • Tyrael, the Archangel of Justice (currently Archangel of Wisdom)
    • Auriel, the Archangel of Hope
    • Itherael, the Archangel of Fate
    • Malthael, the Archangel of Wisdom
    Over time, some members of the Angiris Council have left, disappearing from all known record, while others have adopted new mantles (even becoming mortal in the process), changing the virtue they represent. One thing remains constant, though: they each have their own unique strengths, flaws, and personalities.


    Of the council members, which one is your favorite? Do you champion Valor, the warrior host of the High Heavens? Or Tyrael, the wielder of the mighty sword, El'druin? Perhaps you find yourself drawn to Hope or Fate instead, or maybe the mystery of Malthael has lured you in. Let us know by voting below!




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    Tyrael, the Archangel of Justice (currently Archangel of Wisdom)


    He's human now though.
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    Quote from Hiderius

    Tyrael, the Archangel of Justice (currently Archangel of Wisdom)


    He's human now though.


    He's not human, merely mortal. He is still an angel, but can now die eternally.
    Last edited by Thunderclaww: 4/23/2014 10:28:15 PM
  • #4
    Tyrael from Diablo 2, not the annoying Tyrael from D3 :P
  • #5
    Quote from Thunderclaww

    He's not human, merely mortal. He is still an angel, but can now die eternally.


    Is this official now btw? I've sort of lost track. Like, why hasn't a new Justice emerged from the Arch? Or what happens now with the old missing Wisdom? Are these just titles now or?
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    Quote from overneathe

    Quote from Thunderclaww

    He's not human, merely mortal. He is still an angel, but can now die eternally.


    Is this official now btw? I've sort of lost track. Like, why hasn't a new Justice emerged from the Arch? Or what happens now with the old missing Wisdom? Are these just titles now or?


    A new justice hasn't emerged because the game literally ends at the point he becomes Wisdom. Sadly the ending seems very poorly written cause I doubt he's "officially" Wisdom. Putting aside the fact that Tyrael does very little to be considered wise, Malthael's kinda not dead. Its established that if one of them dies then the arch will just make a new angel to fulfil that role. The lore angel states thats why they know Malthael's alive, nothing's emerged, they're still short a man. So I doubt the titles can just be swapped arbitrarily, they gotta be born into it. Either Malthael's gotta come back and fulfil his role or he's gotta die. Either way it seems the hints in act 4 suggest the expansion will deal with him.
  • #7
    Quote from overneathe

    Quote from Thunderclaww

    He's not human, merely mortal. He is still an angel, but can now die eternally.


    Is this official now btw? I've sort of lost track. Like, why hasn't a new Justice emerged from the Arch? Or what happens now with the old missing Wisdom? Are these just titles now or?


    Isn't the Arch corrupted already? Or did we kill Diabola before that happen?
    sto lavorando
  • #8
    I still think they should have had the ghost of Cain become new aspect of Wisdom instead of having Tyrael take that responsibility. Now there's no aspect for Justice and leaves a big hole on the Angiris Council.
    Oh pitiful shadow lost in the darkness,
    Bringing torment and pain to others.
    Your damned soul wallowing in your sin.
    Perhaps...

    it is time to die.
  • #9
    Quote from CasmX

    I still think they should have had the ghost of Cain become new aspect of Wisdom instead of having Tyrael take that responsibility. Now there's no aspect for Justice and leaves a big hole on the Angiris Council.


    That is actually one of the best ideas I've heard. Do it Blizz. DO IT.
  • #10
    If only I could bid at all... This damn AH bug is preventing me from doing anything at the AH because it thinks I'm over the 50 item limit when I'm not.
  • #11
    Quote from Thunderclaww

    Quote from Hiderius

    Tyrael, the Archangel of Justice (currently Archangel of Wisdom)


    He's human now though.


    He's not human, merely mortal. He is still an angel, but can now die eternally.


    Then why does he look like a nephalem?
  • #12
    Quote from Hiderius

    Quote from Thunderclaww

    Quote from Hiderius

    Tyrael, the Archangel of Justice (currently Archangel of Wisdom)


    He's human now though.


    He's not human, merely mortal. He is still an angel, but can now die eternally.


    Then why does he look like a nephalem?


    Angels and Demons are two different species in Diablo and that means angels cant become demons and vice versa. Nephalem/humans are a cross breed between the two. This isn't the biblical interpretation of angels/demons, these guys spawn from the remains of two different super beings. So in essence, Tyrael can't become human anymore than you can change a horse into an elephant. The appearance angels take is not their true form since they're just light (the wings), so what Tyrael did was just appear human, that doesn't make him human though (he even kept his powers).
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    Quote from Snowbrew

    The appearance angels take is not their true form since they're just light (the wings), so what Tyrael did was just appear human, that doesn't make him human though (he even kept his powers).


    Right, so he still looks like the original Tyrael? His human form is just a costume.

    When he fell from the high heavens, he did lose much of his powers which he later regained I guess.

    The expansion's story will probably be about how Malthael turns evil, and the players must stop or redeem him.
    And maybe some kind of revenge of Imperius.
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