Patch 1.0.4 Interview with Jay Wilson and Andrew Chambers

  • #63
    any Information on how big (mb) the patch will be?
  • #64
    That one person that has perfect mf and the few others with similar gear I feel for. All the others that are complaining about the mf cap couldn't even do act 1 wearing it. My mf set only has 235% w/out follower and I'm happy w/ it. I'll be enjoying the rewards of killing white mobs and champs w/out swapping gear and dieing. From now on i'll be taking every post crying about the cap to mf w/ a grain of salt unless they can post a viable set and not just blues w/ max (probably using a script). I could just imagine the uproar of the swappers if any of the other options were chosen. In my eyes they should be happy (if not using a script) b/c over time it will be 1 less item to swap to. I enjoy ladder play, but until they find a good way to implement it w/out the top 100 being bots I'm fine.
  • #65
    My only complain is MF not affecting chests.... at this point i will just skip them because i know it will just a bunch of whites and blues...
  • #66
    Quote from Unrealsiege

    Paragon system looked awesome then they said its for 1 char only! What a nice way to force me to play 1 char.

    rip 9 alts


    yeah thats sucks!
    i like all classes and part of the fun for me is to switch betweens classes and gamemodes (HC/SC) but now i'm forced to chose one character in one gamemode for the next - i quote Jay Wilson - "hundreds and hundreds of hours" :(
  • #67
    Quote from Cyeron

    You want to be powerful now, you don’t want to have to wait for power.

    And just to clarify: All the "fuss" people are making is really just people feeling that an aspect of gameplay that many people loved is being changed. The new paragon levels will, in my belief, make up for the "loss" on the long run, but I don't see how the game mechanic MF will ever be the same with the cap.


    Well, if it's not like that - Then do explain to me how come people gear swap so they can get the max power RIGHT NOW, every single time they get a chance for it. It's not even close to being a "shrink" or figuring people out. It's a basic conclusion based on observation of what people do - It's like i'd say to you "I know you like getting stuff, but you'll get that stuff if you just save your money right now".

    A LOT of players do spend their gold on stuff on the AH for minimal upgrades just for the sense of progression all the time - And this can be further backed up by the fact of how many actually do "non-AH" runs on their chars. It's all a matter of time before it kicks in (for a majority of people) to want to get gratification - Be it instant or later. And since NOW is better then later, and we are simply harping on time formats by this point - It's a logical conclusion and easy to say, that NOW is preferable to LATER. Since there is no given benefit to later, but only a negative aspect to it.

    And how did they possibly KILL any aspect of the game? People are fussing about stuff because they have poor reading comprehension. I read these forums avidly, but i always find my self just getting angry because people are so incredibly bad at grasping text and reasoning. In reality, IF you have a 330% MF set (perfect) , you get a 10% nerf. Wow. Did your ENTIRE WORLD just crash down because the entire MF aspect was KILLED given that a small minority of people got pooped on? Really?

    And even IF you do get ALL the paragon levels (Which is very unlikely, unless you play for like years) - You'll just have gotten the luxury of passively getting MORE power. Because you literally get the same thing (MF), but now you get to have MORE power. Unless you get to somehow argue that people LIKE changing gear. A _MAJORITY_ of people find it a chore. A necessity. They feel FORCED.

    And given how Blizz wants to make a BROAD appeal, as mentioned in the interview (regarding ladder for example) - They have to do like this. But for the love of god, don't treat the ones going fussing as if they have a valid rational point beyond just going "Oh no, i got nerfed by 10% - better rage quit this sh'tty game"

    It feels like it's Deja Vu about this entire thing ; people raving about impacts that are not real and throwing their arms up in the air with the scapegoat of Diablo 2.
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  • #68
    Lots of positive changes making it into this patch but some game decisions from the patch notes I just scratch my head at.

    On the "we'll make you have fun because we know what fun is" comments: The most fun i've had with this game is generally doing the things blizzard decided 'were not fun' and subsequently nerfed. This includes exploring the alternative builds people have created (tank dh, cm wiz etc) which stray from the 'cookie cutter' playstyle of the particular classes. The funny thing is that none of these builds were particularly overpowered and there are still problem mobs you encounter. It simply provided a different type of challenge and required a different skill/stat/item balance. Anyone who's had to deal with fast/jailer/extra health hulking/phase beast packs as a vanilla dh knows the pain but for a tank dh, they're easier than a kiting hard hitting pack which normal DH's swat aside with ease.

    The amount of proc nerfing, which looks to be to offset loh in most cases does the following:

    - Removes the viablity of the inventive builds and customisation of the classes (using the skills already provided) or makes them very expensive and exacting to gear right (cm wiz for example).

    - Forces players back into the 'at launch' play styles as specified by the base class types. The standard set of skills and a kite + potions + spam play style.

    - Regardless of the damage buffs (WD aside, they really needed some love) it removes an equal number of skills from being useful. WD firepit, DH caltrops, DH shuriken cloud for example were great for procs which is what they were used for. To have the proc effectiveness hammered into the ground removes it as a 'valuable' skill. Why would a DH sacrifice one of the 4 available skill slots to shuriken cloud if they weren't running a melee spec?

    - Devalues and limits the effectiveness of any item with stun/blind/chill/freeze/immobilize/bleed/loh and lifeleech (already nerfed hard ages ago). So armor/weapons now are just primaries, resist, crit + more crit + socket for more crit. Whats the point of having the other stats if they are effectively useless.

    - The MF/GF solution is pretty elegant and nicely worked into providing some endgame benefits to work towards. The only thing that doesn't make sense is the cap. Paragon + neph + gear bonus (with mf averaged every 10 mins to disable swapping if its that big an issue 'read: not fun') would be amazing. With the cap, MF and GF gear joins the affixes listed above as having very limited functionality.

    So while theres a lot of good and i have much love for the coding and graphics guys, it just seems some of these things just aren't well thought out. I used to eye off items with interesting affixes all the time whereas now I just can't see the point.

    I really hope the drops are sorted out at last. everything since 1.03 has been pretty bad :(
  • #69
    We all know they'll introduce a ladder season once profits from the RMAH go down severely, but chances are they'll only do a single run.

    I'm glad they didn't do the buff to caltrops damage like they were intending in the leaked notes, it would have been a huge buff to damage, especially since it white crits and doesn't reset sharpshooter.
  • #70
    Quote from Doorsfan

    Well, if it's not like that - Then do explain to me how come people gear swap so they can get the max power RIGHT NOW, every single time they get a chance for it. It's not even close to being a "shrink" or figuring people out. It's a basic conclusion based on observation of what people do - It's like i'd say to you "I know you like getting stuff, but you'll get that stuff if you just save your money right now".


    Quite a group of players have made it a "personal sport" of gearing for MF and in between that balance the other stats. It wasn't such a big issue in D2 as you could in principle just outlevel content and from there on focus on MF gear. I am speaking about that group, so while my generalization may not be fulfilling neither do you seem to realize the existence of other playstyles.

    And taking the shrink part, that was a personal perspective (which I also stated) about how I felt like being confronted with these changes. For me it felt like "Jay knows all" which I personally disagree with.

    Quote from Doorsfan

    And how did they possibly KILL any aspect of the game? People are fussing about stuff because they have poor reading comprehension. I read these forums avidly, but i always find my self just getting angry because people are so incredibly bad at grasping text and reasoning. In reality, IF you have a 330% MF set (perfect) , you get a 10% nerf. Wow. Did your ENTIRE WORLD just crash down because the entire MF aspect was KILLED given that a small minority of people got pooped on? Really?


    You are taking my post apart and judging on it completely out of context.
    I never said an aspect of the game was killed - I said it was changed.

    I said Jay would kill it if he went out saying "I know you all want instant gratification, but you ain't getting it!", which was in context of business character and PR, not in context of the changes at all.

    So taking the sentences you said yourself:
    People are fussing about stuff because they have poor reading comprehension. I read these forums avidly, but i always find my self just getting angry because people are so incredibly bad at grasping text and reasoning.

    Right back at you :)
  • #71
    Quote from Catalept

    Quote from Sikk

    Ladder not fun? Please stop telling us what's fun.


    Watching a handful of nutters that no-one else even has a chance of competing with racing to the top of a paragon-level ladder is fun for you? I'd have to see a vote before I could believe you weren't in a very small minority.

    Unless you're seriously suggesting that they were saying that ladders in general were a bad idea? You're not, are you? Because that would be very embarrassing.
    jeezz......why is soo many thinking its all about racing to the top? I couldnt care less about who gets the 100 paragon levels first. The reason a ladder is great is that you get to start over from scratch with many others, and best of all with a fresh economy. You will be able to sell stuff that arent sellable atm, because people wont have the best gear yet.
    You know currently less and less items can be sold simply because people keep improving their gear and selling their old. There is no items that leaves the economy but only items that enters. In the end you will be left with only the very best items that can be sold because of this fact.
  • #72
    Diablo3 patch 1.04 (2012) -------- Fate (2005)
    Paragon system -------- Fame system

    Innovation o copy/paste?
  • #73
    Quote from pikke

    I don't like ladder...at all, I am happy there is no ladder.
    And I've played D1 and D2 + LoD basically till I got D3.

    Lot of changes, we shall see how things will work out in the field.
    Interesting days to come.

    Have fun and thanks Molster :)
    Why didnt you like ladders in D2 LoD? It wasnt like you were forced into one. It was freely up to everyone if they wanted to start a character on the ladder server or stick to the non ladder server.
  • #74
    Jay Wilson?
    Fuck that loser

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  • #75
    Quote from Catalept

    Quote from Tybudd

    If you guys can hit over 300 after NV is irrelevant, he's claiming 300% is the cap pre NV, and he didn't say that it was cap but that it couldn't be reached right now.

    I've seen some charts made that show with gear you can't get any higher than 256% pre-NV, but not confirmed by myself. But here is the chart

    http://www.d3rmt.com...maximum-values/


    You can get over 300 MF (before NV) if you use a max MF gem, the right legendaries, some set bonuses, plus a fully MF geared follower.

    To that end, a bonus of 3.5MF per paragon level would have made more sense, but maybe they just decided that 300% was a nice round number. /shrug.


    And have you EVER thought that those mostly crappy items with a little magic find could be swapped for a superior weapon in terms of damage? In Diablo 2 you balanced Magic Find with Killing Speed.

    Is 5-30% magic find better than gear which would allow you to kill faster and survive better?
  • #76
    Look guys, there are some pretty big things that most of you aren't considering when you bash these changes...

    1. Capping MF at 300% is still extremely high.
    2. Paragon is a REWARD for something you are going to do ANYWAY. -_-
    3. The changes to PVE Content, class abilities, and the introduction of Paragon is going to makefarming much easier. So you are essentially trading a MF/GF cap for the ability to kill MORE mobs FASTER. Six of one, half a dozen of the other...

    I love these changes BUT MF/GF should affect chests. Chests just don't seem anymore important to me than a damn barrel unless they are bloody or resplendant. Also, I understand why Paragon is character specific (because hitting 99 on a character in D2 was obviously character specific) BUT it whole heartedly discourages creating new characters and trying other classes. Why Would I take time min maxing my stats including mf/gf along with survivability for inferno when I know I could just farm with a different character that already has innate mf/gf?
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  • #77
    Regarding all the hate towards Jay Wilson saying 300% MF is a cap - quote from patch notes:
    'Magic Find will now cap at 300%'
    So he knows what hes doing
  • #78
    any sign of the patchsize?
  • #79
    Quote from st0rmie

    Quote from Tybudd
    I've seen some charts made that show with gear you can't get any higher than 256% pre-NV, but not confirmed by myself. But here is the chart

    http://www.d3rmt.com...maximum-values/


    Looks like you're missing topaz in the helmet: Radiant Star Topaz would add another 31%, giving 287% for a weapon+shield user, which matches what I always heard was the maximum.

    If anyone actually does have 318%, without NV, without follower (as Wransik claims in post #4), I'd like to see a profile link.


    not sure.. but hope you all realize there are legendaries with mf ..including weapons ..
  • #80
    Quote from Erixxxx

    Quote from overneathe

    I'll hop on the bandwagon of "it doesn't appeal to me". :P


    I'm on that too. I'm personally not really interested in having all of my progress reset overnight.

    (yes, I hated that specific part of D2 too)


    Ditto here.
  • #81
    Quote from BeRse

    Quote from Unrealsiege

    Paragon system looked awesome then they said its for 1 char only! What a nice way to force me to play 1 char.

    rip 9 alts


    yeah thats sucks!
    i like all classes and part of the fun for me is to switch betweens classes and gamemodes (HC/SC) but now i'm forced to chose one character in one gamemode for the next - i quote Jay Wilson - "hundreds and hundreds of hours" :(


    People ask for an end game and something to strive for after they hit 60, they get hundreds of hours of something to do, then complain that they dont want to take that long.

    This community, it is a joke.
  • #82
    Quote from GreenWins

    I'm tired of them dictating what is "fun" and what isn't "fun."
    If I see another interview where a developers use the word "fun," I'm going to explode.


    You cannot be serious?

    You do realize EVERY GAME EVER MADE has been done so with the development team deciding what is "fun", then building the mechanics around that.

    Including Diablo 2.

    Its like you guys dont have a single brain cell left in your heads.
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