DiabloCast XVII - Hardcore Is Too Hardcore

  • #1
    Hello all, here's the DiabloCast for this week. This time around we talk about the results of the Blizzard Video Contest, GamesCom, and the recent Bashiok posts on ALT options, Tiered Skill Slots, and the AH. If you missed the sixteenth episode, you can check it out here. Otherwise, the seventeenth episode covered the following topics:



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  • #2
    I think the reason for a demo vs a full beta at Gamescom(factoring out beta readiness) would be the issue of length and content. The D3 demo's are very fast and to the point, solidified in their goals and execution. The beta is a place to search for bugs, playability, balance and such. They want people to jump in and get a fun, concise feel of the game where as a beta is more about spending hours upon hours playing through things and variants to see what works and what doesn't. In a setting where people are being filed through in 15min blocks a beta test experience just doesn't add up to much value for time spent.

    I'd think of it as a promotional trailer vs showing of a rough cut of a movie.
  • #3
    You guys are awesome, seriously. I listened to one while I was bored, now I find myself hanging out for the Diablocast :D
  • #4
    like :-)
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  • #5
    good stuff, always enjoy listening to these while playing minecraft :)
  • #6
    Quote from losilluminati

    good stuff, always enjoy listening to these while playing minecraft :)


    You're not the only one :)
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  • #7
    Perhaps no Beta at Gamescom, because its not as stable as a Demo in terms of feel/balance etc.
    If that made sense to you, Bravo! I think I even confused myself...
  • #8
    As mentioned, the demo is used to allow 15-20 mins of straight action. Who wants to spend their play time going from lvl 1-5.

    As for the skill ranks, last we knew it was 15, not 5-7. It is assumed that every difficulty, it increases by five. This will also help promote skill choice since you can't just cap one first.

    The toggle option is obviously the best choice.

    My favorite diablo memory is my brother and I having to rotate ice packs under our crappy laptop to avoid it from over heating from hours on hours of straight playing.

    And you guys aren't as funny without me :P

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  • #9
    Quote from ScyberDragon

    As mentioned, the demo is used to allow 15-20 mins of straight action. Who wants to spend their play time going from lvl 1-5.

    As for the skill ranks, last we knew it was 15, not 5-7. It is assumed that every difficulty, it increases by five. This will also help promote skill choice since you can't just cap one first.

    The toggle option is obviously the best choice.

    My favorite diablo memory is my brother and I having to rotate ice packs under our crappy laptop to avoid it from over heating from hours on hours of straight playing.

    And you guys aren't as funny without me :P


    Thank you for mentioning the skill rank fact. Normally the information in these cast are pretty spot on and much better IMO then the diablo3INC cast but I definitely think they beat you guys this time in accuracy. Still great job as always gentleman. On a side note ..what's a guy got to do to get an update on skills and traits around here?
    "Give a man a skill tree, and he will become a Fire Sorc. Give a man 6 skills to choose from, pulling from all three trees, and he becomes a Fire Sorc that likes to shoot lightning to manage the bigger crowds."

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  • #10
    Like i said in another thread recently, i'm guessing they wont let ppl play the beta at gamescon 'cause you'd have to start from lvl1 with no skils/gear available from the start. If they give us the blizzcon demo you start at about lvl 8 i believe with already some skills and gear equipped. I remember reading somewhere on the official forums that they did this because of the short game time you have at these events. 15-20 minutes of playtime feels more epic if you can see some cooler skills and gear instead. Starting you from scratch wouldnt give you much time to get cool stuff (gear and skill -wise that is). i've been searching for the post where i read it, but cant find it, been a long time ago.

    Beta could still be out around gamescon (just not available at GC) if this is the reason they give us the demo at GC2011.

    nice diablocast again! thnx guys
  • #11
    Quote from ScyberDragon

    My favorite diablo memory is my brother and I having to rotate ice packs under our crappy laptop to avoid it from over heating from hours on hours of straight playing.


    :D +1
  • #12
    When Gamescom is has no bearing on when the beta is... Even if they made a new demo for it, it would take at least a few weeks to plan what they were going to have in it and to actually prepare it... You don't just slap together a demo in a few hours by taking a build and cutting out the stuff you don't want people to see... Plus they want devs working on the actual game, not using their valuable time putting together a new demo when beta is just around the corner...
    "I have walked the roads that lead to Hell, I have challenged all but Fate. I have fought and bled and carried on just to reach this final gate. And now the task before me looms, this dire deed undone; I shall make my stand against the Three until the battle's won." - C. Vincent Metzen
  • #13
    why was the title "hc is too hc" used? Just wondering if I am missing some information about HC mode as I am unable to listen to this podcast for a while.
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  • #14
    Awesome as always, guys. =)
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  • #16
    I'm amazed... There's really nothing serious to talk about and you still record an almost hour long podcast. It seems you guys really like talking about D3.

    Anyway. I think that there will be no beta till Gamescom. As far as I recall, they are set to have a conference call somewhere in august. 1st or 2nd week maybe? My guess is that this is when beta gets announced and about one week later, it gets released.

    For me the beta calendar looks something like this:
    1 august -> beta preview (to get the hype baloons up for the forthcoming release of the beta)
    11-15 august -> conference call, beta announcement
    21 (is it?) -> gamescom
    18-25 august -> beta begins
    late november -> beta ends
    about 20th december - release.

    The reasoning behind my timetable:
    1) Since they are giving the old demo at Gamescom, we can expect one of the two things:
    a) they will launch beta before gamescom, but they don't want to waste time on preparing the demo (they can have a tight schedule before gamescom)
    B) they plan to release beta shortly after gamescom.

    I personally don't buy theories that they said it's going to be Blizzcon 2010 build, because they didn't want to reveal that it'll be a new demo extracted from the beta. First of all, Europe is certainly a great market, but I can bet that asia/us are far more important to Blizzard, so if they were to bring a new demo they would surely do it there. Secondly, like Sixen said, if they didn't want to spoil any suprises, they wouldn't say what they're bringing to Gamescom.

    2) As far as I recall, the SC 2 beta was announced and started shortly after one of the conference calls. For me it's probable that Diablo 3 is planned to go into external testing in the same fashion. It's reasonable because announcing the last part of development process directly to the investors is surely something that they'd appreciate (not that they care about the game, but... Beta->imminent release->money)

    3) Don't forget it's Blizzard. They aren't know for their premature releases. If they say Q3 that means -> late Q3 or Q4 if something goes wrong. The same with 2011 release -> 2011 if everything goes as planned. I think that Bashiok has also made a comment like that in the forums.

    4) The reason why I think the beta will start at, my guess, 25th august is that it'd be some time after gamescom and the conference call plus I'd be monday. It's my guess, so I don't have any arguments for that date:)

    5) If the game is to launch this year, the beta will end in late november, so that they would still have some time for all that pre-release to-do-list.
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  • #17
    Sixen, I think you have a good point about the beta not being released before Gamescom because of the reason you mentioned. However, it's possible they're doing it that way because the beta client starts your character at level 1 and is not geared toward a demo. So the beta might not be a great demo so much.
    "All generalizations are false, including this one." -Mark Twain
  • #18
    Quote from CherubDown

    Sixen, I think you have a good point about the beta not being released before Gamescom because of the reason you mentioned. However, it's possible they're doing it that way because the beta client starts your character at level 1 and is not geared toward a demo. So the beta might not be a great demo so much.

    They could easily allow us to use premade characters though, just like in WoW.
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  • #19
    Hmmm. You sure it would be easy? I mean preparing a demo takes a lot of work. It's not just a matter of slapping an area together and using a character select screen. Especially for Blizzard.

    Edit: Furthermore, since they're in "crunch mode", I'd think they'd be wanting to spend all their efforts on the end product. Just my thoughts though.

    Edit2: Also, since originally there was no mention of Diablo even being at Gamescom for a while, makes me feel like they're really (in a non-Blizzard-like fashion) throwing the build they have in there.
    "All generalizations are false, including this one." -Mark Twain
  • #20
    Quote from CherubDown

    Hmmm. You sure it would be easy? I mean preparing a demo takes a lot of work. It's not just a matter of slapping an area together and using a character select screen. Especially for Blizzard.

    Edit: Furthermore, since they're in "crunch mode", I'd think they'd be wanting to spend all their efforts on the end product. Just my thoughts though.

    Edit2: Also, since originally there was no mention of Diablo even being at Gamescom for a while, makes me feel like they're really (in a non-Blizzard-like fashion) throwing the build they have in there.

    Yeah, but they'll need to give us proper tools to test characters in. Worst case scenario, they can leave in debug commands that allow us to grant levels, etc. It's supposed to be for testing, ;P. And lets not forget, come release, there will be a PTR as well, so... I'm sure they'll have some kind of system for it.
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