DiabloCast: Episode XII - Spoiler Alert

  • #1
    Episode 12 is here and we're back in the swing of things! This time we have a different type of Dragon (the Phrozen kind, not the Scyber kind) to join us for some epic Lore discussion. In addition, we talk a bit about BlizzCon tickets. If you missed the eleventh episode, you can check it out here. Otherwise, the twelfth episode covered the following topics:



    If you've missed any previous episodes, check the archive!
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  • #2
    Hey Force, Sixen and Phrozen. Thanks for answering my question! It's the first one at 55:48

    You're right, there is not much new information about the PvE content now. Except the talisman and runestones.
    I'm not so consurned about the PvE information from you guys. You guys do a good job discussing PvP and PvE content =)

    Welcome to our new PvE-Dragon! ^^ Phrozen.

    We just have to wait for the beta for new information and movies.

    Thanks again and cheers, Kevin.

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  • #3
    Excellent, been waiting on the lore one. Will warn people I felt like the sin war started out sort of slow. Until the end of the first book. After that it was pure awesome.

    That being said I hate reading. ADD and all. Overall excellent story and I love it. It's very dear to me.
  • #4
    Hello Guys , great diablocast ,

    I have a couple of questions to Phrozen :

    1 : Inspired by your talk is it possible that in d3 cinematic angel that is comming and crushing cathedral roof in rush might be a Imperius ? Since Decard Cain is the one who has alot of knowladge about prime evils and he knows how to deal with em , maybe Imperius wants to help prime evils so they defeat sanctuary easier ?

    2 : Have u been thinking that Decard Cain might be possesed by Belial, Lord of Lies ?( Why in diablo 2 in tristram all of people have been slain ( griswold became demon and so on ) Only Cain was imprisoned - maybe there was a reason to "spere" him or maybe he wasnt same Cain he was before invasion ? Lesser Evils and Prime Evils dont like eachother ( banishing Primes from Hell ) , maybe Belial possesed Cain and he wants to defeat Prime Evils to posses Sanctuary by Lesser evils - without having Tyrael as his enemy ?? ( Dont forget we meet in act 1 Andariel who is lesser Evil - they been chasing diablo ? )

    : "Act two's a little bit more of an intrigue and deception-focused story, because Belial is in there." -Jay Wilson

    Or Tyrael is possesed by Belial and its gonna be last boss in D3 ?
  • #5
    Quote from Quss

    I have a couple of questions to Phrozen :

    1 : Inspired by your talk is it possible that in d3 cinematic angel that is comming and crushing cathedral roof in rush might be a Imperius ? Since Decard Cain is the one who has alot of knowladge about prime evils and he knows how to deal with em , maybe Imperius wants to help prime evils so they defeat sanctuary easier ?


    I know I'm not Phrozen but I'd like to answer this one.

    Imperius hates Sanctuary. He detests humans. The one thing he hates more though, is demons. It's the reason he hates Sanctuary and humanity. I think the chances of him siding with demons, as of what we know right now is about 0.

    Also Andariel and Duriel were serving the Prime Evils during D2 to slow us down. Deckard Cain being possessed I guess it's possible. Same with Tyrael. Though it seems like Deckard was the only one alive because we needed him in D2, and maybe he knew some valuable information the demons wanted. Tyrael could be possessed but it seems like someone at the Pandemonium Fortress would have noticed.
  • #6
    Quote from Sixen

    Episode 12 is here and we're back in the swing of things! This time we have a different type of Dragon (the Phrozen kind, not the Scyber kind) to join us for some epic Lore discussion. In addition, we talk a bit about BlizzCon tickets. If you missed the eleventh episode, you can check it out here. Otherwise, the twelfth episode covered the following topics:
    Episode 11 topics list:



    If you've missed any previous episodes, check the archive!


    whoa. Scyberdragon crushed me in the cast! I figured that passive or no, they are still technically a 'skill' and thus, with a runestone insert that could, in theory, change the effect, perhaps even drastically and lead to more unique character build considerations. *laughing* ah-well. Thanks for the broadcast mention, Sixen. Lore was interesting.
  • #7
    That was definitely the most informative DCast thus far. Great work.
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  • #8
    Im following. Im hardcore-Diablofan. Woho!

    And Gooooooooooo Sweden! ;)

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  • #9
    PhrozenDragon " - Humans where not created through any form of sexual intercourse. It was kinda like, a creation from, essences or w/e - "

    Sixen - "Whhaat, kinda anticlimactic."

    Force - "Literally"


    Win. :lol:


    Great cast guys, I learned a lot since I'm not a big lore buff.
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  • #10
    Quality work as always. Good to hear you PhrozenDragon.
    My english sucks.
  • #11
    Haha Phrozen. "And stones can't do shit."
  • #12
    Quote from Daemaro

    Haha Phrozen. "And stones can't do shit."


    It's actually a really good point that Phrozen is making here. I mean I never thought of the stone being a type of prison, but it makes sense now. As a stone, you can't do shit!
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  • #13
    Man, it is now torture to listen to these without being able chime in.

    1. When you guys talked about the lore of D3 and what will be happening, you forgot one major quote:

    Official Blizzard Quote:



    Well, our story tends to focus a lot more on the two major demons and the impending invasion of Sanctuary.
    Although not much has been said about the story of D3, this is a pretty major piece.

    2. Damn you Phrozen, you are just mad because you know I am right about my Mighty Morphing prime evils theory.

    3. Lastly, yeah, ScybderDragon is the man with PvE

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  • #14
    kladdkaka translates to stickycake, sounds nasty haha
    think we do have brownies though..

    good dcast
  • #15
    If we'd cut out all my "uuh" "eeh" and "aah" parts, the cast would only have been 46 minutes long :(

    Quote from Quss

    I have a couple of questions to Phrozen :

    I'll complement what Daemaro wrote. I agree with the siding with demons part, unless Imperious goes as crazy as Inarius does in the end of the books, he's never siding with Hell.

    Could the meteor be Imperius? I don't know. Any theory involving that meteor has to be based on so many assumptions at this point that it becomes impossible to say anything definitive.

    Quote from Quss

    2 : Have u been thinking that Decard Cain might be possesed by Belial, Lord of Lies ?( Why in diablo 2 in tristram all of people have been slain ( griswold became demon and so on ) Only Cain was imprisoned - maybe there was a reason to "spere" him or maybe he wasnt same Cain he was before invasion ?

    Extremely unlikely. It's very far-fetched, it requires Belial to leave the current civil war with Azmodan, it also requires him to remain in Cain for 20 years without doing much. That's a lot of time wasted that could be better spent elsewhere, especially since it likely means losing all of Hell to Azmodan. Plus it might conflict with Worldstone mechanics, but that's speculation based on speculation...

    Why was Cain imprisoned? It could have been as punishment, instead of dying quickly you'd have to watch everyone you know become undead as you starve to death. This is also the area where game mechanics start directly affecting the lore. Cain had to survive for the story's sake, which has to be taken into account when considering why he lived.

    Quote from Quss

    whoa. Scyberdragon crushed me in the cast! I figured that passive or no, they are still technically a 'skill' and thus, with a runestone insert that could, in theory, change the effect, perhaps even drastically and lead to more unique character build considerations. *laughing* ah-well. Thanks for the broadcast mention, Sixen. Lore was interesting.

    Yeah that's a good point, it could very well work that way in theory.

    Quote from ScyberDragon

    2. Damn you Phrozen, you are just mad because you know I am right about my Mighty Morphing prime evils theory.

    Never!
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  • #16
    Love this episode, thanks guys. Now I have more info about the story of Diablo World. I'll be honest and I'm not into reading long books so a summarize discussion like this is much appreciated.
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  • #17
    Quote from PhrozenDragon

    If we'd cut out all my "uuh" "eeh" and "aah" parts, the cast would only have been 46 minutes long :(

    Quote from Quss

    I have a couple of questions to Phrozen :

    I'll complement what Daemaro wrote. I agree with the siding with demons part, unless Imperious goes as crazy as Inarius does in the end of the books, he's never siding with Hell.

    Could the meteor be Imperius? I don't know. Any theory involving that meteor has to be based on so many assumptions at this point that it becomes impossible to say anything definitive.

    Quote from Quss

    2 : Have u been thinking that Decard Cain might be possesed by Belial, Lord of Lies ?( Why in diablo 2 in tristram all of people have been slain ( griswold became demon and so on ) Only Cain was imprisoned - maybe there was a reason to "spere" him or maybe he wasnt same Cain he was before invasion ?

    Extremely unlikely. It's very far-fetched, it requires Belial to leave the current civil war with Azmodan, it also requires him to remain in Cain for 20 years without doing much. That's a lot of time wasted that could be better spent elsewhere, especially since it likely means losing all of Hell to Azmodan. Plus it might conflict with Worldstone mechanics, but that's speculation based on speculation...

    Why was Cain imprisoned? It could have been as punishment, instead of dying quickly you'd have to watch everyone you know become undead as you starve to death. This is also the area where game mechanics start directly affecting the lore. Cain had to survive for the story's sake, which has to be taken into account when considering why he lived.

    Quote from Quss

    whoa. Scyberdragon crushed me in the cast! I figured that passive or no, they are still technically a 'skill' and thus, with a runestone insert that could, in theory, change the effect, perhaps even drastically and lead to more unique character build considerations. *laughing* ah-well. Thanks for the broadcast mention, Sixen. Lore was interesting.

    Yeah that's a good point, it could very well work that way in theory.

    Quote from ScyberDragon

    2. Damn you Phrozen, you are just mad because you know I am right about my Mighty Morphing prime evils theory.

    Never!


    Many Thanks for Your replies , didnt expect u gonna spent so much time for it and make it so precise , so I have made it as short as I could -> without attaching many details I was condiseration . Havent been into Diablo lore for a long time ( was most likely busy with WOW ) , . Considerating that Azmodan - Lord of Sin sound way more like warrior than than Belial - Lord of Lies / I mean boss killing mechanics/ hard to imagine Belial as boss who lies to u and making critical shots with it / if u know what I mean - so I expect him more as NPC who making some kind of intrigue more than boss who u kill by sword / even Jay Wison said that in Act 2 gonna be some kind of intrigue - > Who could lie better than Belial ,? (noone ofc ) even for 20 years he could be within Cain ( unless he really had civil war in hall against Azmo ) Is it possible he was controling cain from Hell ? Im huge fan of this theory ( cain beeing Belial's "spy" for 20 years ) for me that would be so orginal and cool - holywood thriller style , thats why I m asking u guys who r way more into lore of D3
  • #18
    Quote from Quss

    Considerating that Azmodan - Lord of Sin sound way more like warrior than than Belial - Lord of Lies / I mean boss killing mechanics/ hard to imagine Belial as boss who lies to u and making critical shots with it / if u know what I mean - so I expect him more as NPC who making some kind of intrigue more than boss who u kill by sword / even Jay Wison said that in Act 2 gonna be some kind of intrigue - > Who could lie better than Belial ,? (noone ofc )

    Remember that Mephisto is the Lord of Hate. What is he going to do, hate you to death? Yet he's still quite powerful. No reason Belial couldn't be as well.

    Quote from Quss

    even for 20 years he could be within Cain ( unless he really had civil war in hall against Azmo ) Is it possible he was controling cain from Hell ? Im huge fan of this theory ( cain beeing Belial's "spy" for 20 years ) for me that would be so orginal and cool - holywood thriller style , thats why I m asking u guys who r way more into lore of D3

    I understand that you want your theory to be true, but I don't give it much hope. The most telling problem is that Tyrael was with Cain during the whole of Act IV, and on top of that Tyrael has sworn an oath to protect the Horadrim. He would know if Belial was directly controlling Cain.

    But could Cain be a servant without being controlled? Maybe, but there's no trace throughout the games that Cain would be a servant of Belial. You could argue that Cain is so good at covering his tracks that nobody suspects, but then you've created a theory that can't be disproved, a classic conspiracy.
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  • #19
    Great podcast guys, keep them coming.
  • #20
    Really enjoyed this Podcast guys, the lore was great.
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