Infinite Dungeon / Survival Arena

[PiSeas1984]

Didnt come up with this, but just want to make a cool idea more visible to Bashiok & see what everyone thinks, get some fresh input. The original thread is here

http://www.battle.net/forums/thread....l&T=323693&P=1

Quick rundown: the OP proddeh suggested an infinite series of levels, randomly generated, where you can just let loose on mobs & gain exp+items. The mobs difficulty should scale up by certain percentage every lvl with few boss monsters thrown here and there. And you have to do it in one go, once u TP out u start from lvl 1 again. This would:
1) Provide a more fun alt to doing the 8578th baal run
2) Provide some form of bragging rights (mayb a counter on ur BNet toon showing highest lvl
u made it to)
3) (IMO) Solve once and for all the whine of 'my hammerdin solo'd uber&pandemonium diablos togethr on one testicle..cant u guys dish up some real punishment???

An alt idea (or maybe let's have both!) every1 liked was a survival area where random waves of mobs jus come at u, scaling up as well.

Now my guess is if Bashiok sees this, the argument will be "this wil take focus away from other game content / bots will overrun / wot a load of crap" . However i think something like this will really enhance playability & the challenge factor, without too much extra developing work involved, so why not? Some guys said the exp&item drop can be reduced, so if u wanna MF go do boss runs&regular game content, and come here for some challenge&ownage

[Daemaro]

Eh... I guess it's not too bad of a idea, but I do see a potential problem with bots, and would it really matter if the exp was reduced? They'd just set the bot to farm the first to levels repeatedly for days on end. Go up a few levels as they get higher levels.

Bots are inevitable though I think. Even in regular gameplay.

[akse]

This is fun idea. If anyone played ADOM, there was such place at least I don't know anyone who got out of there The dungeon started as a really easy and sometimes I just made a character and went there untill I found it got really hard at the 10th level of the dungeon or something. It was great place to find equipment and get exp. At some point really strong monsters started to come by when it was safer to leave the place and go somewhere else .) THese monsters would be beatable tho when you get higher level I guess.

If anyone have any memories of the cave,, please share

[Jack00]

I like the idea, kinda like Challenge of the gods in God of War I/II. Could be fun if you get tired of doing endboss runs.

[Veltras]

Arrrggh! I wanted to make a thread about this for some time now.

My idea was pretty much the same, but instead of being infinite it would just be insanely long and have some sort of reward at the end.

Also I don't think you should able to TP at all just to make it more challenging and if you die you have to restart a new game.

Finally to prevent bots and free access to this dungeon, People should have to do a sidequest a la Uber Tristram to get there first.

I already see the name of this dungeon, The Tower of Terror

[ZharTheMad]

Cool idea! If you could forgive me, WoW-like instances on D3 might be cool too.

[Ezekel]

Originally Posted by ZharTheMad

Cool idea! If you could forgive me, WoW-like instances on D3 might be cool too.

If you are talking about a raid, then as the player limit is at most going to be around 8 a 24 person raid would be impossible. That and D3 will be a single player game as well so anything that requires more than one person to achieve is unlikely, not impossible though.

Also any raid, and WoW didnt do them first, relies on a tank+healer+dps. As all classes in Diablo are designed for DPS and there is no real tank or healer it would just be a bunch of people wailing on a boss on screen.

That and the entire game is its own instance.

[Luckmann]

Originally Posted by Ezekel

If you are talking about a raid, then as the player limit is at most going to be around 8 a 24 person raid would be impossible. That and D3 will be a single player game as well so anything that requires more than one person to achieve is unlikely, not impossible though.

Also any raid, and WoW didnt do them first, relies on a tank+healer+dps. As all classes in Diablo are designed for DPS and there is no real tank or healer it would just be a bunch of people wailing on a boss on screen.

That and the entire game is its own instance.

As a side note to that, Blizzard have mentioned in an article that they are considering lowering the number of players to 4-5, since they are experiencing the best of the game at around 4 people working together.

[carambolage de charogne]

Originally Posted by Luckmann

As a side note to that, Blizzard have mentioned in an article that they are considering lowering the number of players to 4-5, since they are experiencing the best of the game at around 4 people working together.

4-5...!

that seems really low. i like 8 just fine.

but the idea of this tower is pretty good. let it have an end and a final boss. also make it not just 1 room, but a randomly generated dungeon, with random monsters and resists.

[Guildenstern]

Woah I love this idea, it doesn't even have to be one, it could be one infinite dungeon and one survival arena per act with different settings and monsters so you don't get bored of them. The difficulty level for all of them should be around the same though and like Veltras said you should need some sort of key to enter them like the uber Tristam quest.

I disagree though that exp and MF should be reduced, I think they should be left at the normal rate.

I think the levels shouldn't be too big like jail/catacombs because it would be very annoying looking for the stairs, they should be more compact and action packed like jail/catacombs from the Median 2008 mod (or like forgotten tower if you've never played Median)

About the scaling of difficulty I think the level increase of monsters per floor should be logarithmical rather than linear or exponential so that the difference in difficulty in the higher levels (floor 30 or something) isn't astronomical and it doesn't get to a point where everyone can get to say floor 32 rather easily but is just impossible to get to 33. With logarithmical scaling the increase in difficulty should be way smoother, that way the regular bunch of players could push it to level 40s while a party with really skilled and coordinated players could push it to level 60 and beyond.

Originally Posted by PiSeas1984

Now my guess is if Bashiok sees this, the argument will be "this wil take focus away from other game content / bots will overrun / wot a load of crap"

Well that can be easily avoidable if the dungeon(s) is only available after you beat the game in hell difficulty. Also I don't know much about botting but I think the new positional strategy and health orb system will not let players bot effectively.