I always looked at the name choice in two ways:
- Demon Hunter is kind of like Bounty Hunter
- Every class kills demons, they don't necessarily hunt them. There is a pretty large difference.
And, again, it seems to be a play on 'Bounty Hunter' as opposed to just adding a word to Hunter. She has a whole lot of gadgets and tricks up her sleeve, all of which are focused around killing demons in various ways. Its like the Boba Fett of Sanctuary.
It's her profession. Obsession is the reason why he/she choose to be a demon hunter. Hunting demons it's what they do. And my point is: if he/she dedicated her life to eliminate demons, why the other classes who dedicated their lives in different areas would hunt down demon like a "professional" ?
No, its not. The way a Demon Hunter is "made" is that their town and family was killed in a demon attack and they were the sole survivor. Then a current DH comes along, sees that the person is the sole survivor of a demon attack and recognized the hatred in them (as, at one point, they went through the same or a similar expirience) and recruits them to come to the Dreadlands and train to be a DH. Profession implies its her job that she is paid for.
Also, theres no point in compare a character builded for D3 with D1 and D2 versions. So it doesn't matter if the rogue didn't use a lot of gadgets in D1 and D2. Look at the barbarian.. In D2 he did not provoked earthquakes, did not summon spirit weapons and allies, etc... They spiced him up so the other classes would not outshine him. The same could be easilly done with the rogue.
Yes, but its not like the skills the DH has implies that she should be a Rogue. Sure, it would have worked, but its not completely neccessary. And no classes from D1 returned (as a playable class) during D2 and you still got the sense it is in the same world. You don't need characters to return as playable classes in order to have continuity. And the name "Demon Hunter" is a play on "Bounty Hunter" which implies a large arsenal of gadgets, which obviously fits the D3 DH.
Imo the rogue would be a better character because they could creat her story using D2's events as background. It could add a sense of continuity
The Rogue already was playable in D1 and returned with the Rogue encampment in D2. If they just kept the same name and gave her a different background it would just be confusing (I mean, look at the confusion that stems from them using the word runes in D3). They wanted to make a new backstory, so they made the Demon Hunter.
It's her profession. Obsession is the reason why he/she choose to be a demon hunter. Hunting demons it's what they do. And my point is: if he/she dedicated her life to eliminate demons, why the other classes who dedicated their lives in different areas would hunt down demon like a "professional" ?
No, its not. The way a Demon Hunter is "made" is that their town and family was killed in a demon attack and they were the sole survivor. Then a current DH comes along, sees that the person is the sole survivor of a demon attack and recognized the hatred in them (as, at one point, they went through the same or a similar expirience) and recruits them to come to the Dreadlands and train to be a DH. Profession implies its her job that she is paid for.
Also, theres no point in compare a character builded for D3 with D1 and D2 versions. So it doesn't matter if the rogue didn't use a lot of gadgets in D1 and D2. Look at the barbarian.. In D2 he did not provoked earthquakes, did not summon spirit weapons and allies, etc... They spiced him up so the other classes would not outshine him. The same could be easilly done with the rogue.
Yes, but its not like the skills the DH has implies that she should be a Rogue. Sure, it would have worked, but its not completely neccessary. And no classes from D1 returned (as a playable class) during D2 and you still got the sense it is in the same world. You don't need characters to return as playable classes in order to have continuity. And the name "Demon Hunter" is a play on "Bounty Hunter" which implies a large arsenal of gadgets, which obviously fits the D3 DH.
Imo the rogue would be a better character because they could creat her story using D2's events as background. It could add a sense of continuity
The Rogue already was playable in D1 and returned with the Rogue encampment in D2. If they just kept the same name and gave her a different background it would just be confusing (I mean, look at the confusion that stems from them using the word runes in D3). They wanted to make a new backstory, so they made the Demon Hunter.
Yea, really since they've been so tight lipped about storyline we won't really know how good their backstories are (or how good the storyline in general is) until we get to play the game.
Eh, maybe a name cop out, but as far as storyline, I think the DH has a solid reason for huntin demons. I mean you can argue that revenge plots are overdone, but really from what we know about each of the classes rationales (except for the Barb), each of their stories seems weak atm. I mean the only stuff we know about the Monk's and WD's reasoning is that its some kind of religious reason, which, I would say, sounds a lot weaker than killing the demons because they killed your family.
Well the Demon Hunter focuses a lot more on gadgets than the Rouge, which was pretty much all bow skills. Just because theres a class called the Demon Hunter doesn't mean that they're trying to say the other classes don't hunt demons. Saying that "All classes hunt demons, therefore no class should be called a Demon Hunter" has some merit, but doesn't make it so that Demon Hunter is a bad name, and just because she's called a Demon Hunter doesn't mean she doesn't kill monsters and undead as well. In the end the way the class functions is a lot more important than its name.
Also, its not her profession, its her obsession. The DH's town/family was murdered by demons and since then she has hunted them.
She hates demons for killing her family/town, but she is willing to use dark magic to get better at killing demons. Shes a hunter of demons, not a demonic hunter.
Druid doesn't point to a type of gameplay? Really? When I think of Druids I think mainly of shapeshifting and nature based spells.
Monks points to martial arts, kind of obvious.
Witch Doctor = spirit caster, meaning zombies and those sort of stuff.
Assassin is a bit harder. D2 defined it strangely ^^
Well for me both Monk and Witch Doctor could point to a healer class, same with Druid. And yes the shapeshifting and nature spells fit the name Druid, but it doesn't really account for the summoning stuff. I mean when I first heard the Druid was a new class in LoD, I didn't think "Oh, he must be like the necro"
Exactly, the name Demon Hunter doesn't point to a type of gameplay. All the other 4 classes kind of do, as do the classes in D2. To me, that's the main problem.
Well for ranged classes it tends to be harder imo. There just aren't many words that say "Uses bows and arrows" other than Amazon. And I wouldn't say that Witch Doctor, Druid, Monk, or Assassin point to any type of gameplay, but once again none of them disqualify the archetype that they fill.
I don't dislike the name Demon Hunter, only in this specific case. Two-word class names is not ok :/ I also happen to dislike the Death Knight class name in WoW for the same reason.
I don't have a problem with 2 word class names, but I see where you're coming from. I still don't think its as bad as you're making it seem, but I guess its just opinion. I still don't think its in dire need of a change no matter what. The concept of a Demon Hunter is a pretty common one.
I use my pants a lot as well, do they have an identity? No, they are a tool with a specific set of abilities that I use when I fight my enemies (which I do every day, obviously), they are not people. That makes the difference between a class and a character. D2 has characters, WoW has classes.
Ok maybe the WoW rogue doesn't have an identity, but enough people play it and know about it that its the first thing that comes to mind when a lot of people hear "Rogue."
I won't disagree that Demon Hunter suits the character, it is just a bad name. It doesn't matter who the character is, it won't be good on any of them. Demon Hunter and other two-word names works better in Warcraft because Warcraft (not WoW) doesn't do archetypes.
But once again, "Demon Hunter" fits the ranged archetype as well as "Rogue" does, as both leave open room for interpretation. "Demon Hunter" has just been used less, so people have less of an idea as to what it is, and the D3 Demon Hunter is so far from the WC3 DH that it'll be able to give its own definition of Demon Hunter.
No matter what, when someone says their playing a Rogue I think of a stealth character before a bow character. Not that a Rogue can't be a bow character, but its not like when you hear Rogue you only think of bows and arrows. At least I don't. Same goes for DH, it doesn't point you directly to a ranged class, but it doesn't disqualify it either.
The rogue is a PC, it's not a NPC with lore backed up behind him in terms of story and gameplay (abilities and whatnot). And btw demon hunters exited in WoW before Illidan, demon hunters in old Azshara, demon hunters in Black Temple, the Illdari, id say people were well informed that Illidan was in fact a demon hunter without WC3.
Just because its in a quest doesn't mean that many people know about it. Quest text in WoW is pretty similar to quest dialogue in D2, no one really reads it. And I was saying that the Rogue was a PC in D1, but I was also pointing out that it also had a return of sorts in D2.
Doubt that. The WoW Rogue doesn't have an identity, not even a name, it is just an empty class. The D1 Rogue has a tiny story, but again no name and plays a minimal role in the story. Illidan is an actual character, not a class. There is only one Illidan, his story is complex, he has a personality, he has relationships, he is more than a simple shell. Illidan is a character you remember not a class.
How does the WoW Rogue not have an identity? Its one of the most popular classes in WoW, that has to be saying something. And you are right about Illidan, but his biggest appearance is as the end boss of TBC, where its not even made clear he's a Demon Hunter. You'd have to play WC3 to know what.
Besides, you can't really disagree that the name "Demon Hunter" belongs in Diablo. If you don't like the name, you don't like it, but its at least fitting. People were saying the same thing about the Wizard's name when she was announced. Its just a matter of opinion.
- Demon Hunter is kind of like Bounty Hunter
- Every class kills demons, they don't necessarily hunt them. There is a pretty large difference.
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Yes, but its not like the skills the DH has implies that she should be a Rogue. Sure, it would have worked, but its not completely neccessary. And no classes from D1 returned (as a playable class) during D2 and you still got the sense it is in the same world. You don't need characters to return as playable classes in order to have continuity. And the name "Demon Hunter" is a play on "Bounty Hunter" which implies a large arsenal of gadgets, which obviously fits the D3 DH.
The Rogue already was playable in D1 and returned with the Rogue encampment in D2. If they just kept the same name and gave her a different background it would just be confusing (I mean, look at the confusion that stems from them using the word runes in D3). They wanted to make a new backstory, so they made the Demon Hunter.
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Yes, but its not like the skills the DH has implies that she should be a Rogue. Sure, it would have worked, but its not completely neccessary. And no classes from D1 returned (as a playable class) during D2 and you still got the sense it is in the same world. You don't need characters to return as playable classes in order to have continuity. And the name "Demon Hunter" is a play on "Bounty Hunter" which implies a large arsenal of gadgets, which obviously fits the D3 DH.
The Rogue already was playable in D1 and returned with the Rogue encampment in D2. If they just kept the same name and gave her a different background it would just be confusing (I mean, look at the confusion that stems from them using the word runes in D3). They wanted to make a new backstory, so they made the Demon Hunter.
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Also, its not her profession, its her obsession. The DH's town/family was murdered by demons and since then she has hunted them.
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Well for me both Monk and Witch Doctor could point to a healer class, same with Druid. And yes the shapeshifting and nature spells fit the name Druid, but it doesn't really account for the summoning stuff. I mean when I first heard the Druid was a new class in LoD, I didn't think "Oh, he must be like the necro"
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Well for ranged classes it tends to be harder imo. There just aren't many words that say "Uses bows and arrows" other than Amazon. And I wouldn't say that Witch Doctor, Druid, Monk, or Assassin point to any type of gameplay, but once again none of them disqualify the archetype that they fill.
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I don't have a problem with 2 word class names, but I see where you're coming from. I still don't think its as bad as you're making it seem, but I guess its just opinion. I still don't think its in dire need of a change no matter what. The concept of a Demon Hunter is a pretty common one.
Ok maybe the WoW rogue doesn't have an identity, but enough people play it and know about it that its the first thing that comes to mind when a lot of people hear "Rogue."
But once again, "Demon Hunter" fits the ranged archetype as well as "Rogue" does, as both leave open room for interpretation. "Demon Hunter" has just been used less, so people have less of an idea as to what it is, and the D3 Demon Hunter is so far from the WC3 DH that it'll be able to give its own definition of Demon Hunter.
No matter what, when someone says their playing a Rogue I think of a stealth character before a bow character. Not that a Rogue can't be a bow character, but its not like when you hear Rogue you only think of bows and arrows. At least I don't. Same goes for DH, it doesn't point you directly to a ranged class, but it doesn't disqualify it either.
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Just because its in a quest doesn't mean that many people know about it. Quest text in WoW is pretty similar to quest dialogue in D2, no one really reads it. And I was saying that the Rogue was a PC in D1, but I was also pointing out that it also had a return of sorts in D2.
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How does the WoW Rogue not have an identity? Its one of the most popular classes in WoW, that has to be saying something. And you are right about Illidan, but his biggest appearance is as the end boss of TBC, where its not even made clear he's a Demon Hunter. You'd have to play WC3 to know what.
Besides, you can't really disagree that the name "Demon Hunter" belongs in Diablo. If you don't like the name, you don't like it, but its at least fitting. People were saying the same thing about the Wizard's name when she was announced. Its just a matter of opinion.
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